Mamola scolds Stoner's Donington tire choice

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MotoGP - Mamola scolds Stoner's Donington tire choice
Written by el moto

In all my years of racing and commentating on MotoGP, I saw some of the craziest things ever in the last race at Donington Park! For Casey Stoner to run wet tyres when everybody else was on slicks was quite simply one of the biggest mistakes I have ever seen in Grand Prix and I have been involved since 1979. Myself and everybody I have spoken to was dumbfounded that they made the call and that Ducati did not step in and insist on them running slicks. Some people would lose their jobs over a gamble like that in another business. I know they sound like harsh words but it’s the truth.

It took me back to my last podium in 1992, in Budapest. It was pouring with rain and just as we lined up on the grid it started to dry. The track literally started to steam but there were still puddles on the track. Everybody was on full wets except Eddie Lawson, who wasn’t battling for the championship that year. He had qualified on the second to last row so he took a gamble by running intermediates. The gamble paid off handsomely and he came through to win the race. For Stoner to take a gamble of similar proportions, considering his position on the grid and in the championship, was dumbfounding and I can’t understand why Livio Suppo, as team boss, didn’t overrule him. If it were the last race of the year and the only way you could win the title were to win the race and hope your main rival didn’t score points, you would let your rider make whatever shout they wanted. It is a ‘last roll of the dice’ situation but to roll it with seven races still to go is remarkable – like I said, one of the craziest things I’ve ever seen from a factory team racing for the World Championship.

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July 29th, 2009 | News Archive
Randy Mamola column 81
Alpinestars News

http://alpinestarsinc.com/node/1523

my bets ........ blog.

i doubt Randy would bad mouth ducati or it riders seeing he is on the payroll (i assume).
Randy knows hindsight is a wonderful thing he also knows that weather could have turned either way.

He might as well scold him most everyone else is. I reckon your right Rog its probably ......... Saying that its very similar to what Jeremy Burges reportedly said about the decision in this weeks MCN

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 30 2009, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He might as well scold him most everyone else is. I reckon your right Rog its probably ......... Saying that its very similar to what Jeremy Burges reportedly said about the decision in this weeks MCN
what before or after mcn bought jb some drinks

just done a bit more searching.there's this on Alpinestars

at the botton it says Randy..

So is Randy having a good old fashioned POP at Casey/Ducati.??

seems so

July 29th, 2009 | News Archive
Randy Mamola column 81
Alpinestars News

http://alpinestarsinc.com/node/1523

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Jul 30 2009, 10:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>just done a bit more searching.there's this on Alpinestars

at the botton it says Randy..

So is Randy having a good old fashioned POP at Casey/Ducati.??

seems so

July 29th, 2009 | News Archive
Randy Mamola column 81
Alpinestars News

http://alpinestarsinc.com/node/1523
personally i cant blame him for the tyre choice but if all the paddock are laughing at them ducati must be getting pretty pissed at stoner.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Jul 30 2009, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>just done a bit more searching.there's this on Alpinestars

at the botton it says Randy..

So is Randy having a good old fashioned POP at Casey/Ducati.??

seems so

July 29th, 2009 | News Archive
Randy Mamola column 81
Alpinestars News

http://alpinestarsinc.com/node/1523

From a well known Spanish motorcycle magazine, does not say dumbfounding, but it can of translates into same thing in Spanish:

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/BV.aspx.../tag/donington/

That's def Randy's blog. He can say what he wants, he's his own boss.
http://alpinestarsinc.com/moto/mamola/

I agree with Mamola to a point. The rider has to ride the bike so ultimately they get to decide. But it was the wrong decision. I was watching the start of the race saying what in the hell is going on? But no way is a manager telling me what tires to run.

I met Randy (we both had the same watch but his had diamonds) He's not the type of person to ........ or Badmouth anyone in public! he might have thought all this to himself but doubt he would go public. he has no reason too, he is not caseys Manager or mentor or even part of his team! i call ........ on that!!!!

I hav respect for Mamola. This sounds a bit harsh and rather disapointing if true. This thing reminded me of the superbowl game commentators of patriots vs giants. The patriots had gone perfect the whole season, and were winning the title game in comanding fashion. The commentators where singing their praises as the greatest team ever. Up until the giants threw a hail mary pass, that is after the quarterback was almost sacked, the ball was caught on an unlikely defection. (hail mary passes r a long shot but when they work it can be a game winner. ) In this case the giants won the superbowl (a very big deal in the US). We still to this day commenators now claim how they saw it all along, and how mistakes wer made by the losing team, etc., etc. My point, a gamble when it pays off is always seen as genius, but when it doesnt is unappreciated, and as usual everybody saw it...after the fact.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The California Kid @ Jul 31 2009, 03:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I met Randy (we both had the same watch but his had diamonds) He's not the type of person to ........ or Badmouth anyone in public! he might have thought all this to himself but doubt he would go public. he has no reason too, he is not caseys Manager or mentor or even part of his team! i call ........ on that!!!!

Yeah, alpinestars obviously faked mamolas regular column, NOT.
He describes some extreme events with words that go with such extremes in a quite nice manner, considering.
Trying to hide this under the rug would make him look like the fool here and he obviously didn't want that.

wasnt a "gamble" at all.

stoner and hayden both thought it was still too wet to run drys at the time.

they were not running wets because they thought it would rain more, though it was still sprinkling... they ran wets because at the start of the race there were sections that still has standing water.

the people who took risks were the other riders who in reality should of ran wets, but they gambled correctly (and some incorrectly-those who crashed) because the rain stayed away and the track dried, and then rained more towards the end but wasnt worth the pit stop to change bike at the late stage


out of the title contendors stoner was the only one not to crash, it could of turned out to be the right decision, if rossi crahsed and his bike was damaged. and who knows if stoner had dry tires he may of crashed aswell.

anyway hindsight is 20/20

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 31 2009, 04:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, alpinestars obviously faked mamolas regular column, NOT.
He describes some extreme events with words that go with such extremes in a quite nice manner, considering.
Trying to hide this under the rug would make him look like the fool here and he obviously didn't want that.

I always liked Mamola as a rider - but I think this is genuine. He's always been
a loose cannon when it comes to his opinions. The guy is seriously loopy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jul 31 2009, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>they were not running wets because they thought it would rain more, though it was still sprinkling... they ran wets because at the start of the race there were sections that still has standing water.
I don't know which race you were watching, but there was no standing water what so ever on the track and lap times of 1.31seconds at the start of the race clearly shows that there was enough grip for slick tyres.

So the only reason they were running on wets in hope for more rain.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jul 31 2009, 05:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't know which race you were watching, but there was no standing water what so ever on the track and lap times of 1.31seconds at the start of the race clearly shows that there was enough grip for slick tyres.

So the only reason they were running on wets in hope for more rain.
yup, donny doesnt get standing water. Also drys out very quickly being an old airfield.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 30 2009, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Randy knows hindsight is a wonderful thing he also knows that weather could have turned either way.
What i thought was interesting is the author brought up the last time he saw this "crazy" thing happen was when said gamble resulted in a win, no less. Hindsight as u say compa.

Also rog, he mentioned it was on "intermediates" which u nailed r needed. Hav u noticed nobody is talking about that? Everybody claims to b on the side of safety but everybody piling on stoner havnt mentioned a need for such tires but rather the hypothetical what mite hav been the points chase.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 31 2009, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What i thought was interesting is the author brought up the last time he saw this "crazy" thing happen was when said gamble resulted in a win, no less. Hindsight as u say compa.

Also rog, he mentioned it was on "intermediates" which u nailed r needed. Hav u noticed nobody is talking about that? Everybody claims to b on the side of safety but everybody piling on stoner havnt mentioned a need for such tires but rather the hypothetical what mite hav been the points chase.
I have noticed nobody is talking about intermediates. We all know this is a safety issue which make's me believe this is a corporate money decision not to bring them in and gag everybody from talking about them.

The only alternative to intermediates is cut slicks which like every other craftsman specialty is likely a dying art. I for one can't believe the tire balances but I don't know much about it. Running an unobtainium machine on hacked up slicks is ridiculous anyway. I totally agree that intermediates should be available and in unlimited quantity just like rain tires. This year millions of dollars in equipment replacement is solely due to the lack of intermediate tire availability and what is the cost ratio there? >1000:1? What is the cheapest and safest alternative? In any one of the slick shod rain accidents a riders career could be over because of a broken wrist. I love the mixed up wet races every once in a while just to see some mayhem. But to see a guy racing around at 50% of the machines capacity with only either a full wet or full dry tire is kind of lame. This year brings home example after example why the racing, safety and machine part wastage comparison to a lack of intermediate tire is undeniable. I thought Dorna was all about cost control?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 31 2009, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The only alternative to intermediates is cut slicks which like every other craftsman specialty is likely a dying art. I for one can't believe the tire balances but I don't know much about it. Running an unobtainium machine on hacked up slicks is ridiculous anyway. I totally agree that intermediates should be available and in unlimited quantity just like rain tires. This year millions of dollars in equipment replacement is solely due to the lack of intermediate tire availability and what is the cost ratio there? >1000:1? What is the cheapest and safest alternative? In any one of the slick shod rain accidents a riders career could be over because of a broken wrist. I love the mixed up wet races every once in a while just to see some mayhem. But to see a guy racing around at 50% of the machines capacity with only either a full wet or full dry tire is kind of lame. This year brings home example after example why the racing, safety and machine part wastage comparison to a lack of intermediate tire is undeniable. I thought Dorna was all about cost control?

This is a top post gs. I found myself nodding my head agreeing with you. Looks like you're coming out of your funk, eh. Keep you head up, its got to get better for Suzuki, hell it can't get much worse, eh.