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Lorenzo sprains shoulder


Kesh, why are you quoting me and pretending you and I can have a normal conversation as if I'm supposed to forget you spent the last months insulting me? That is not how normal relationships work. Everything I said about you I believe to be true (repeat this until you understand the definite corollary of my statement), this wasn't just some internet spat that can go away by you clicking on another thread and pretending you are changed. You seem not to understand a common human truth, your toxic words leave sequelae. I understand civility, so we can both go about feeling free to express our own opinions about whatever on the forum, but lets not pretend we are going to engage each other amicably. Quoting me is not to be mistaken as some olive branch. I'm convinced you do not process conventional human relationships ordinarily, trying to engage me this way serves to convince me further; however, if ever you wholeheartedly work on making reparations to your character (and I sincerely hope you do), understand that there is a clear way to that path.
 
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Kesh, why are you quoting me and pretending you and I can have a normal conversation as if I'm supposed to forget you spent the last months insulting me? That is not how normal relationships work. Everything I said about you I believe to be true (repeat this until you understand the definite corollary of my statement), this wasn't just some internet spat that can go away by you clicking on another thread and pretending you are changed. You seem not to understand a common human truth, your toxic words leave sequelae. I understand civility, so we can both go about feeling free to express our own opinions about whatever on the forum, but lets not pretend we are going to engage each other amicably. Quoting me is not to be mistaken as some olive branch. I'm convinced you do not process conventional human relationships ordinarily, trying to engage me this way serves to convince me further; however, if ever you wholeheartedly work on making reparations to your character (and I sincerely hope you do), understand that there is a clear way to that path.

Hahahaha... net-nanny meets life-nanny!! Robots disengage.
 
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A fair question. But to merely say no - would be simplistic. The reasons why they didn't wasn't down to just the injury itself. Schwantz in his final season - was plagued by many injuries and was in constant pain because sports science was not nearly as advanced as it is today - and the Suzuki was total piece of .... handling-wise. Doohan too was a physical wreck the last time he won a championship. He was insanely tough.

Lorenzo DNF-ed 4 races in 2008 so the points difference was immense. This year there's not such a big gap. I don't think it's unreasonable to think he could pull it off this year. He's a smarter racer and the M1 (in this iteration) has been modified to suit him, so he won't struggle with it the way he did back then. Also, he's generally ridden much better than Rossi this year. He won't have to work as hard to fend him off. He can still take wins but dial it back so that he won't have to win by as large a margin as he has at previous races this year. I'm not implying it'll be a cake walk, but I don't think the odds against him are as great some have implied; especially if spoiler Marquez can keep the shiny side up till the end of the season.

True -- but it is not a given that Lorenzo will automatically be faster than Rossi in the three consecutive races coming up, that are:

Motegi -- slight advantage Lorenzo
P.I. -- slight advantage Rossi
Sepang -- slight advantage Rossi

So barring mistakes (the first one of them who does a serious mistake has lost) it is quite possible that Rossi arrives at Valencia with still a points advantage on Lorenzo.

That would be reminiscent of 2006 of course...
 
Kesh, why are you quoting me and pretending you and I can have a normal conversation as if I'm supposed to forget you spent the last months insulting me? That is not how normal relationships work. Everything I said about you I believe to be true (repeat this until you understand the definite corollary of my statement), this wasn't just some internet spat that can go away by you clicking on another thread and pretending you are changed. You seem not to understand a common human truth, your toxic words leave sequelae. I understand civility, so we can both go about feeling free to express our own opinions about whatever on the forum, but lets not pretend we are going to engage each other amicably. Quoting me is not to be mistaken as some olive branch. I'm convinced you do not process conventional human relationships ordinarily, trying to engage me this way serves to convince me further; however, if ever you wholeheartedly work on making reparations to your character (and I sincerely hope you do), understand that there is a clear way to that path.

Jum,

Try not to think of it as "quoting you". I was but replying to your post in a reasonable and non-threatening fashion. It's not you in particular that I'm replying to - but rather the idea that you propose. It's nothing personal. I'm all over the whole flame-war thing. You know that old saying.... Holding onto a resentment is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die? Some of the wisest words anyone ever said to me.

As far as olive branches go - I've tried that and found that peace is like war, takes two to tango.

And lastly, understand... I like having friends but the reality is that you can't please everyone. So I've learned like most folks that I do not NEED everybody to like me. I'm just trying to engage the dialog and enjoy this forum. I never pretend to be anything other than who I am. You can choose to like me or hate me. I won't pretend to be something I'm not in order to gain your favor.
 
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These are places Rossi has performed well. Its not a good time to get hurt, obviously. In addition, the context is that Marquez is on form (though also carries aninjury) Pedro looks awake, Rossi can ride for podiums, and perhaps healthier than Lorenzo may be advantaged again by Jorge's injury.
I'm not so sure jefe. For Malaysia and valencia I'd always put my money on jorge. He's not exactly slow around PI either though I will admit I favor rossi there. Jorge is ...... for motegi. I may be mistaken on this -I usually am when it comes to non rea matters- ,but I'd think a "stop and go" course is the last thing I'd like to ride with a bum shoulder. + Don't forget the bopper bump that pegged casey a while back.
Vales title to lose this year all in all.
 
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J4rno, im curious how you know that Lorenzo is not really hurt. Just a personal hunch or you actually know?
 
I'm not so sure jefe. For Malaysia and valencia I'd always put my money on jorge. He's not exactly slow around PI either though I will admit I favor rlssi there. Jorge is ...... for motegi. I may be mistaken on this -I usually am when it comes to non rea matters- ,but I'd think a "stop and go" course is the last thing I'd like to ride with a bum shoulder. + Don't forget the bopper bump that pegged casey a while back.
Vales title to lose this year all in all

Oh for sure, agree homie. I think the injury thing just throws a loop into this thing. Again, not all injuries are created equal, if I had to choose between a broken injured finger or a injured shoulder, I'd go with the finger when it comes to riding. According to the report he sprung it, on the face it doesnt sound good. But who knows. And def, VRs title to lose.
 
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Just meant concerning the type of circuit. Granted I don't truly know what I'm talking about (hence why I'd love to hear the opinion of people knowing better) but when I messed up my shoulder supporting myself during braking (even at civil speed) was what kept me off me bike the longest time. Direction change you might compensate by going all shakira but if you can't do pushups...fooked
 
Well rossi has a bum shoulder since he made up his mind to ride the McDonald's fries. No wonder the past 5 years at motegi weren't exactly fabulous for him
 
Hahahaha... net-nanny meets life-nanny!!

Honestly, I thank you for pointing out the significant distinction, as one is infinitely petty triviality while the other is profoundly edifying. I appreciate the lucid articulation Mick, it is important to highlight the difference, I consider it a compliment.
 
Ah I see. So.. we have absolutely no idea how serious the injury is then.

It's like the NHL injury report.

"Upper body injury" could range from a eyelash stuck in the eye to a decapitation on the ice.

Let's just say Jorge Lorenzo has an upper body injury to keep it open.

Might be serious...might not be.
 
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I cant speak for the gang of 4, or is it 5, or maybe 6, I cant keep track.....let's just call it the shitload gang...... I would be willing to bet none of the shitload gang wants any interaction with you Keshav. Maybe they'll chime in to clarify their position but for me that means no quotes,no likes and certainly no winks.

Interesting thought from someone who has been banned multiple times. You don't really believe that it's only one person who has complained about you to the moderator - do you?

You can't have your cake and eat it. In any event I rarely take interest in anything you say - but as you feel free to comment on anything I say - you need to bare in mind - it's a two-way street, and you don't own it. Iran and Palestine have been saying for years that Israel has no right to exist - and yet.... like it or not, Israel continues to thrive. All that energy wasted on hate, and where has it got them? You must have realized by now that I'm immune to your hatred and your attempts to wound me. If you can't let it go - it's only your own energy you're wasting. It's only yourself that's getting all wound up. If you have the compulsion to hate, stress out and have a stroke over my presence here - that's on you. I'm not doing anything to provoke you.

If you're civil to me - I'll accord you the same.
 
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