'Legend' Stoner ends MotoGP career on the podium

cuckoo bird · Jan 14, 2013

michaelm

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No, you missed my point, bluntly though I put it, perhaps unsurprisingly as you do not appear to be very bright. It was that he has achieved more in motosport than any australians other than mick doohan and jack brabham, and whilst they may be in a position to judge him a quitter (they haven't as fas I know)it is highly unlikely that you are, and nor is there any reason to suppose that you apeak for austrlaian bike racing fans. .

Mr. quitter Stoner made his moves to quit perfectly timed, because he knows there are alot of fans like you who will place him on great legendary status after he quit. What a smart move, a cowardly act of Stoner, yet fans like you still place him on god-like status.

When in actual fact, he ran away from greater future challenges.

He dares not challenge himself to achieve more, he is afraid of failure, thats not the stuff of champion, thats what cowards are made of. Stoner realized that this is the perfect time to quit because he had just been given god-like status after Rossi's failure with Ducati. So, Stoner wants to quit on a high, he dares not face challenges of young guns like Marc Marquez beating him.

Thats a coward, even before seeing the true potential and talent of Marc Marquez on same track, he chose to run away, so that no one will have a chance to beat him. That is why many Aussie fans are disgusted with this cowardly behaviour of their national hero, now plenty of Aussie hang their heads in shame.

While Jordan decided to try baseball after losing his competitiveness in basketball, great to see the spirit still in Jordan.

What did Stoner chose to do? Going to the lake to fish, heck....thats lame and gives MotoGP fellow riders a bad name. MotoGP riders are supposed to be warriors who fight till their final day, fight on even when they are slower and less competitive,...key word of traditional riders, NEVER GIVE UP.

Not like mr Quitter Stoner, giving up even before facing the real challenge.

What Aussie fans think when national hero says -

" I am the best now, because I win on Ducati while Rossi fails. 2012 I am not considered a loser because of my injury, I am best ever now, so BYE BYE see you in the lake, if you happen to fish there. I am going off now, its the perfect time, because nobody will have an opportunity to beat me...."

birdman · Jan 14, 2013

Like a dog with a bone this cuckoo. In fact is that you Talpa?

Dr No · Jan 14, 2013

cuckoo bird

3405641358215541Mr. quitter Stoner made his moves to quit perfectly timed, because he knows there are alot of fans like you who will place him on great legendary status after he quit. What a smart move, a cowardly act of Stoner, yet fans like you still place him on god-like status.

When in actual fact, he ran away from greater future challenges.

He dares not challenge himself to achieve more, he is afraid of failure, thats not the stuff of champion, thats what cowards are made of. Stoner realized that this is the perfect time to quit because he had just been given god-like status after Rossi's failure with Ducati. So, Stoner wants to quit on a high, he dares not face challenges of young guns like Marc Marquez beating him.

Thats a coward, even before seeing the true potential and talent of Marc Marquez on same track, he chose to run away, so that no one will have a chance to beat him. That is why many Aussie fans are disgusted with this cowardly behaviour of their national hero, now plenty of Aussie hang their heads in shame.

While Jordan decided to try baseball after losing his competitiveness in basketball, great to see the spirit still in Jordan.

What did Stoner chose to do? Going to the lake to fish, heck....thats lame and gives MotoGP fellow riders a bad name. MotoGP riders are supposed to be warriors who fight till their final day, fight on even when they are slower and less competitive,...key word of traditional riders, NEVER GIVE UP.

Not like mr Quitter Stoner, giving up even before facing the real challenge.

What Aussie fans think when national hero says -

" I am the best now, because I win on Ducati while Rossi fails. 2012 I am not considered a loser because of my injury, I am best ever now, so BYE BYE see you in the lake, if you happen to fish there. I am going off now, its the perfect time, because nobody will have an opportunity to beat me...."

I alluded to it before, but are you a Schwantz fan?

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"...because nobody will have an opportunity to beat me...."

Umm, Lorenzo. Oh sorry, that doesn't count because he's not worthy.

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Use of "coward", "warriors", "cowardly", "young guns"....do you ride a "beast"?

Keep going, it's awesome.

Your trolling is the best.

Jumkie · Jan 14, 2013

Andy Roo

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Hey, what's the go with the Mods, quietly creeping in here and taking my "C" bomb out of my post.

Bunt act that.

Covert black ops man. Like a ninja. Just do this, "Cnt".

Cookoo prob is not a native english speaker, doesnt mean hes dumb. He obviously doesnt like stoner and is saying something very unpopular among the current crop of members. There was a time though that this was a boppers forum. I dont think hes a troll, i just think he hates stoner. There are lots of people of his opinion, just most have left the last two years.... Anyway, I dont agree with him, but he has that right and is at least trying to explain his reasoning, right?

Reading his takes has made me reflect more about how much of a loss not having Stoner will be and its really a shame. Now that VR has been gifted a competitive bike, i would have liked to see them battle on fairly equal equipment (unlike when CS battled on board a Ducati and the erroneous conclusion was made that he couldnt hold his own against VR's "racecraft".) i think we all know now that VR is vastly inferior to stoner considering they both rode the same machine, the Ducati, and one won races (CS) while the other struggled to make the top 10 (VR) and actually developed the machine decidedly backward. Of course i know the Rossi fans probably never noticed this reality and have since rationalLIES this embarrassing contrast in performance,but even still, i would have liked to see them go head to head. Of course, had Stoner not 'prematurely' retired/quit (and it was 'premature', and though it may not sit well with whats left of my stoner-fan friends, it feels more like 'quit' to me personally than 'retire', given the reason that he cited for leaving which was the .... direction the sport was taking, that means he wasnt ready to leave had the sport been more to his liking, a difference that many may not like to explore much less accept. And of course i admit, i say this from the comfort of not being emotionally attached to stoner, which cost me many a stoner-fan friends here on the forum last couple years. (flame suit on) Oh well, i still support stoner even if many of his fans have abandoned me long ago...). Anyway, back to my point, i would have liked to see CS & VR battle on equal footing. Its not hard to imagine CS would have made VR look like...well, VR minus the exclusive advantages hes had to pad his results and make people erroneously think he was far more special than i know he wasnt.

Oh, and about Marc. Yeah, well ....... stoner retiring/quiting ushered in Marc with the red carpet treatment. But even still, i would have liked to see Stoner matched against the next best thing to sliced bread, so im told.

Oh, and another reason it pisses me off stoner retired/ quit, he gave Pedro a lifeline. This alone should be reason enuf to be pissed with Stoner. ....... u Casey! :lol:

Mick D · Jan 14, 2013

Jumkie

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He obviously doesnt like stoner...

Nice try Jum... Cuckoo couldn't care less about Stoner. Anyone who's not Dani get's the same white wash... I do like the way you spin the ball, though a little desperate using someone who's head is so far up Pedder's butt he can see Puig's .... when Dani blows him. Strange bedfellow you've chosen...

Andy Roo · Jan 14, 2013

Jumkie

3405681358218051

Covert black ops man. Like a ninja. Just do this, "Cnt".

Cookoo prob is not a native english speaker, doesnt mean hes dumb. He obviously doesnt like stoner and is saying something very unpopular among the current crop of members. There was a time though that this was a boppers forum. I dont think hes a troll, i just think he hates stoner. There are lots of people of his opinion, just most have left the last two years.... Anyway, I dont agree with him, but he has that right and is at least trying to explain his reasoning, right?

Reading his takes has made me reflect more about how much of a loss not having Stoner will be and its really a shame. Now that VR has been gifted a competitive bike, i would have liked to see them battle on fairly equal equipment (unlike when CS battled on board a Ducati and the erroneous conclusion was made that he couldnt hold his own against VR's "racecraft".) i think we all know now that VR is vastly inferior to stoner considering they both rode the same machine, the Ducati, and one won races (CS) while the other struggled to make the top 10 (VR) and actually developed the machine decidedly backward. Of course i know the Rossi fans probably never noticed this reality and have since rationalLIES this embarrassing contrast in performance,but even still, i would have liked to see them go head to head. Of course, had Stoner not 'prematurely' retired/quit (and it was 'premature', and though it may not sit well with whats left of my stoner-fan friends, it feels more like 'quit' to me personally than 'retire', given the reason that he cited for leaving which was the .... direction the sport was taking, that means he wasnt ready to leave had the sport been more to his liking, a difference that many may not like to explore much less accept. And of course i admit, i say this from the comfort of not being emotionally attached to stoner, which cost me many a stoner-fan friends here on the forum last couple years. (flame suit on) Oh well, i still support stoner even if many of his fans have abandoned me long ago...). Anyway, back to my point, i would have liked to see CS & VR battle on equal footing. Its not hard to imagine CS would have made VR look like...well, VR minus the exclusive advantages hes had to pad his results and make people erroneously think he was far more special than i know he wasnt.

Oh, and about Marc. Yeah, well ....... stoner retiring/quiting ushered in Marc with the red carpet treatment. But even still, i would have liked to see Stoner matched against the next best thing to sliced bread, so im told.

Oh, and another reason it pisses me off stoner retired/ quit, he gave Pedro a lifeline. This alone should be reason enuf to be pissed with Stoner. ....... u Casey! :lol:

1. No more C bombs - got that rule I will try to use the Oz Cahn instead. as in Farn Cahn

2. I do like Cuckoo tenacious support of Pedders, been a while since he had a fan

3. Comparing MM to Stoner will be difficult but this forum will find it all too easy. They are officially riders of diferent eras. there is no crossover. But MM will be racing Pedro,Jorge,Vale et al.

4.I have referred to Pedro's lifeline via Stoner. Stoner could ride, but wasn't settled, in many ways I think it could be suggested his team time was to put the final touches on the Dani package of rider skills. But it was a lifeline further enhanced by Stoners relaxed attitude at the end of his career. Pedro stepped back out of the shadow put on some "look at me rides" (too little too late) and rode like the Toni Elias of old at contract time.

Mick D · Jan 14, 2013

Andy Roo

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2. I do like Cuckoo tenacious support of Pedders, been a while since he had a fan

See, the thing is, he hasn't supported Pedders at all. Not one 'this is why Dani is my fav" or 'his skill-set in this area lifts him above other riders'... No all he has done, so far, is .... on George and Casey. Hardly a fan, just another tard.

Andy Roo · Jan 14, 2013

Mick D

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See, the thing is, he hasn't supported Pedders at all. Not one 'this is why Dani is my fav" or 'his skill-set in this area lifts him above other riders'... No all he has done, so far, is .... on George and Casey. Hardly a fan, just another tard.

See I was feeling all generous and that's what I get for it. A seat on sheltered workshop bus with a window to lick.

You are right.

Back on topic...

If Lorenzo wasn't a worthy champion, a theory I do not agree with then I wonder who by the definition of worthiness now arrived at would be worthy We'd have Internet fisticuffs from Jumkie over 2006, All us Boners would be livid over 2007, the yellow horde for the multitude of championships and so on and so forth.

It is a ........ notion to suggest that someone who won by the rules and all knowing what the rules were for the whole season is unworthy.

There have been many riders in many series who have won without a win so to speak.

When I was racing Enduros there was an American named Scott Summers who rode for Honda, he won a number of GNCC championships in the states and I think he had more championships than actual wins. He rode an XR600 and could't beat the fancy Euro bikes in a race, but inconsistency provided that all one had to do was finish better than 5th all season to win and he did it again and again.

Our friend Cuckoo needs to get 5 or 6 cats and skin each one in a different way and then have some reflection time.

cuckoo bird · Jan 14, 2013

Andy Roo

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See I was feeling all generous and that's what I get for it. A seat on sheltered workshop bus with a window to lick.

You are right.

Back on topic...

If Lorenzo wasn't a worthy champion, a theory I do not agree with then I wonder who by the definition of worthiness now arrived at would be worthy We'd have Internet fisticuffs from Jumkie over 2006, All us Boners would be livid over 2007, the yellow horde for the multitude of championships and so on and so forth.

It is a ........ notion to suggest that someone who won by the rules and all knowing what the rules were for the whole season is unworthy.

There have been many riders in many series who have won without a win so to speak.

When I was racing Enduros there was an American named Scott Summers who rode for Honda, he won a number of GNCC championships in the states and I think he had more championships than actual wins. He rode an XR600 and could't beat the fancy Euro bikes in a race, but inconsistency provided that all one had to do was finish better than 5th all season to win and he did it again and again.

Our friend Cuckoo needs to get 5 or 6 cats and skin each one in a different way and then have some reflection time.

I think you have made things too complicated, let me put it in a straightforward manner for your understanding.

Can you call a rider who got his ... whipped in the last 8 races of 2012 a worthy champion?

Andy Roo · Jan 15, 2013

I think a number of things must be considered.

The last 8 races were the Dani show, apart from PI.

But if Lorenzo hadn't pulled such a considerable advantage earlier on he wouldn't have won it.

We can't discount that earlier advantage to make the season Dani's. There are two forms of evidence we must look at, inculpatory (evidence to prove your case, or convict Lorenzo of unworthiness in this scenario) and exculpatory (the evidence that disproves the allegation of unworthiness)

The whole argument is based around the ignorance of the exculpatory evidence, that is to convict we can only use the inculpate to inculcate the incognate of the races that predicate the the time in the United State.

That is ten races to gain the advantage.

I have decided to place it in a poem rather than prose.

Ten versus eight

You can ..........

Over Dani's season performance late

But not shut the gate

Because the early bird got the worm

And prior to dates

in the United States

Lorenzo had his fill

Enough worms for the number one plate.

And only a dill would deny the skill

the resilience and calculation

To withstand Dani's late season exultation

So its a silly post, to criticise Jorge

The last 8 races he had to coast

But just stay on and score points

And at the end of season have the most

So it was the season of the early bird

Who filled his nest before the herd

gathered momentum and chased him down

But it only showed Dani to be a clown.

If he'd started earlier

His smile would be pearlier

Who? The early bird was Lorenzo

And when we look at the species

of this amazing championship winner who has taken two

It is clear he is not a whining late running cuckoo.

michaelm · Jan 15, 2013

Andy Roo

3405901358232938

1. No more C bombs - got that rule I will try to use the Oz Cahn instead. as in Farn Cahn

Glad to hear that a mod rather than you yourself changed the post.

michaelm · Jan 15, 2013

birdman

3405651358216298

Like a dog with a bone this cuckoo. In fact is that you Talpa?

No, non -english speaker going by the syntax as jumkie says, and hence credit for being game at least.

Mick D · Jan 15, 2013

cuckoo bird

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Can you call a rider who got his ... whipped in the last 8 races of 2012 a worthy champion?

Let me put it in a straightforward manner for your understanding:

Yes, yep, yeah, affirmative, aye, absolutely, certainly, definitely, indubitably, naturally, of course, positively, sure, undoubtably, unquestionably, beyond a doubt, by all means, without fail... etcetera ad infinitum...

Or

Oui, sí, ja, da, ano, tak, sim, kylla...

On another note, please define "worthy" in your understanding... maybe Mars has a different definition.

And I'm gonna type ...., just to see what happens... you ....-slurping .....!

cuckoo bird · Jan 15, 2013

Worthy is a very simple word, for example is Lorenzo worthy champion?
In other words, is Lorenzo worth to be called champion?

For someone to be called worthy of something, means he deserves it, in Lorenzo's case, if he is to be called a worthy champion, he has to deserve it.
How to deserve to be called champion? You need to be consistently the best.
Lorenzo is far from consistently the best out there when other rivals has bike of equal calibre, just check last 8 races of 2012, he got his ... whipped badly by Pedrosa.

So, that is why, Lorenzo is not a worthy champion.

michaelm · Jan 15, 2013

cuckoo bird

3405641358215541

Mr. quitter Stoner made his moves to quit perfectly timed, because he knows there are alot of fans like you who will place him on great legendary status after he quit. What a smart move, a cowardly act of Stoner, yet fans like you still place him on god-like status.

When in actual fact, he ran away from greater future challenges.

He dares not challenge himself to achieve more, he is afraid of failure, thats not the stuff of champion, thats what cowards are made of. Stoner realized that this is the perfect time to quit because he had just been given god-like status after Rossi's failure with Ducati. So, Stoner wants to quit on a high, he dares not face challenges of young guns like Marc Marquez beating him.

Thats a coward, even before seeing the true potential and talent of Marc Marquez on same track, he chose to run away, so that no one will have a chance to beat him. That is why many Aussie fans are disgusted with this cowardly behaviour of their national hero, now plenty of Aussie hang their heads in shame.

While Jordan decided to try baseball after losing his competitiveness in basketball, great to see the spirit still in Jordan.

What did Stoner chose to do? Going to the lake to fish, heck....thats lame and gives MotoGP fellow riders a bad name. MotoGP riders are supposed to be warriors who fight till their final day, fight on even when they are slower and less competitive,...key word of traditional riders, NEVER GIVE UP.

Not like mr Quitter Stoner, giving up even before facing the real challenge.

What Aussie fans think when national hero says -

" I am the best now, because I win on Ducati while Rossi fails. 2012 I am not considered a loser because of my injury, I am best ever now, so BYE BYE see you in the lake, if you happen to fish there. I am going off now, its the perfect time, because nobody will have an opportunity to beat me...."

That's better, hard to post through the firewall at the place I work on Tuesdays.

For a third time I ask, what qualifies you to speak for jack brabham and mick doohan, the only australians to have achieved more in motorsports than stoner, or for australian bike racing fans or australians in general? You appear to suffer from cultural as well as cognitive dissonance, stoner is living the australian dream, which is to retire to the beach or the farm having made the big score, having previously gotten the woman moreover.

I don't think he is god-like, other than perhaps at PI, particularly this year when he was a second a lap faster than dani pedrosa with a broken leg.

It is his life, and he can choose tor retire whenever he wants for whatever reason he wants like anyone else, as in my experience do many similarly successful people such as doctors at the peak of their careers who have similarly achieved what they want and have as much money as they need. Like medicine, I tend to think that premier class bike racing is a job you should no longer do if you no longer wish to do it in any case. His career is obviously far from matching rossi's, and will be surpassed by lorenzo if it hasn't been already (we will have to wait and see with marquez, he looks very promising but so did pedrosa in the junior classes), but by any measure has been a fantastic career sufficient unto itself. Watching him ride that honda at PI 2012 or every year he rode there on a ducati does not speak to me of a man frightened by anything, let alone marc marquez.

The thread title comes from dorna naming stoner an official legend; this is an oxymoron for a start, and especially meaningless coming from an organisation like dorna, who are johnny come lately merchant bankers/venture capitalists rather than revered custodians of the sport imo. "Legend" status for me is conferred by posterity, and it does not concern me whether stoner is or will be a legend, and nor have I claimed he is one anywhere on this thread. I quite like his current status, where despite him acceding to the request of many of his detractors to retire if he didn't like the direction of the sport he continues to annoy them in his retirement, provoking peurile trolling posts such as yours which I enjoy debunking.

Mick D · Jan 15, 2013

So by your definition Dani wouldn't have been a worthy champ either since he got his arse washed for the first ten races...

All hail 2012 as the season where no matter who won there would be no "worthy" champion!

Mick D · Jan 15, 2013

In reality all sports should give out two crowns. One to the champion of the sport as its rules define and one to whomever cuckoo deems worthy!

basspete · Jan 15, 2013

BarryMachine

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I beg to differ. Thats a true legend ....... like Stoner ...... though he may have stayed for a few more rounds than you suggest :lol: :lol: :lol:

PS. love the name ....... it really suits your style and logic. Is this Roger? :lol: :lol: :lol:

If not ......... Roger was a guy on here a while ago who stayed a few rounds ..... got whooped incessantly ....... then left. Rog. was a legend. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Though he didn't use enough smilies for my liking frankly.

WHo's your idea of a legend!!???

..... wait ..... your are obviously a bopper ...... don't bother ......

to which we Aussies often answer .........

"You call that a legend? ......... thats not a legend!! ............. <span style="font-size:18px;this .... is a legend!!!" >>>>>>

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2012/December/dec3112-stoner-memories-1/

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2013/January/jan0113-stoner-memories-2/

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2013/January/jan0213-stoner-memories-3/

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2013/January/jan0312-stoner-memories-4/

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2013/January/jan0412-stoner-memories-5/

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2013/January/jan0513-stoner-memory-6/

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2013/January/jan0612-stoner-memories-7/

Merry new year folks!!!

My good friend Barry McSheene fae the Isle o Lewis is back! Woo Hoo!

And to make it even better, be quotes Paul Hogan!

I love this place!

Happy New Year Barry, lang may yer lum reek! (1)

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Dr No · Jan 15, 2013

Mick,

The moron declined to answer my question requesting he define 'worthy'. The thicky has no better answer than "got his ... whipped".

Ahh .... it. Was a fun bit of troll-de-roll. Now it is just dull and unimaginative.

He lives with his mum.

Mick D · Jan 15, 2013

@ Dr No... I'm bored and usually hate troll baiting, but ya hardly have to chum the water for this fish...
cuckoo bird

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Worthy is a very simple word, for example is Lorenzo worthy champion? In other words, is Lorenzo worth to be called champion? For someone to be called worthy of something, means he deserves it, in Lorenzo's case, if he is to be called a worthy champion, he has to deserve it. How to deserve to be called champion? You need to be consistently the best. Lorenzo is far from consistently the best out there when other rivals has bike of equal calibre, just check last 8 races of 2012, he got his ... whipped badly by Pedrosa. So, that is why, Lorenzo is not a worthy champion.

OK... we're kinda gettin' there. 'Worthy' is defined as having 'worth'. 'Worth' (as we are using it here) is best defined as 'deserving of'.

Maybe we can both agree on that.

So your postulate is that Mr. Lorenzo is NOT a deserving 2012 MGP champion.

How is a MGP champion defined. There is no question that the annual champion of MGP is clearly defined in the rules of the sport. It is an objective determination, there is no room for subjectivity - if you have accumulated the most points in a season, you are the champion. Again - if you accumulate more points in a complete season than any other rider you not only deserve to be champion, you are a worthy champion. Remember 'worthyness' in MGP is defined by the objective goal of collecting points (championship, team, or manufacturer) NOT subjective bias. You could try to lobby Dorna to instigate a 'worthyness' criteria... something like the 'artistic' judging of gymnastics or figure skating... I'd nominate you, Puig, and Simon Cowell as judges.

What you have been trying to do, for 25-30 odd posts, is spin your subjective, biased view as something we should all agree with and you like to use the 'Dani kicked Jorge's ... in the last 8 races' as your theme/rallying call. Even this postulation is total ......... Jorge collected 97% of the point total that Dani did in the last 8 races... yes 97% - 145 points for George vs 150 points for Dani. Hardly the '...-whooping' you are attempting to portray!

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