Le - Mans Race Thread

[renjith_varma]

Bum buddies yes, and also competitors. Rossi needs to first justify his podium. That's more important.

Man, what else do you want him to say?



If he says it was a fine move - You would say they are buddies and so on

If he says no comments - you would again say the above

When he said it was a wrong move - you come up with this...

 

[Jumkie]

Yeah Lorenzo hasn't been mentioned much considering what a rash move he made.

I don't think you and Ren understand first lap racing very well. Rossi did this and took a rider out and nothing was ever said. I bet you didn't know this did you. Its because dicing for position in the first three turns or so is much different than 10-20 laps in.

 

[MadZappaFan]

Well, the furry Italian is an exciting racer to watch, but, I feel I must award him...

 

[Keshav]

Because i would have thought they needed the bikes in the garage before they could examin the bike onboard telemetry?

What pray tell my brother, would the telemetry show that the videos from three different angles didn't already show?

 

[renjith_varma]

I don't think you and Ren understand first lap racing very well. Rossi did this and took a rider out and nothing was ever said. I bet you didn't know this did you. Its because dicing for position in the first three turns or so is much different than 10-20 laps in.

You are WRONG there Jumkie. Whether first lap or final lap, the potential danger from that move is always the same. It doesn't change (May be the danger is more in the first lap on second thought)

 

[stiefel]

Yes the Hondas are faster than Rossi (except may Dovi who is of similar pace to VR). But how could you discount Rossi finishing higher than Jorge on Yamaha's horrible weekend? Rossi improved nearly 1 sec over his practice times during the race. Yes the podium was fluke but finishng ahead of JL is not!!

I'm not, I thought that's stated quite cleary. I wouldn't count on Yamaha always having so many problems though.

 

[dwoodhouse]

rossi fans are realy bored, when the biggest issue is when riders give each other love taps. i' i can throw a 3 puch combo and i dont see it as dangerous

That's because you hit like a 10 year old girl with aids.

 

[renjith_varma]

I'm not, I thought that's stated quite cleary. I wouldn't count on Yamaha always having so many problems though.

Except JL's crash during the WU, I don't think Yamaha had any problems other than being comprehensively smoked by Honda

 

[stiefel]

Well, the furry Italian is an exciting racer to watch, but, I feel I must award him...

Nominated for best-first-post award.

 

[Nino]

People say Dani stood the bike up, but that was only AFTER sic closed the door and dani's front wheel touched sic's leathers..... Def sic fault for closing the door with pedrosa no where to go .

Surprised at that. It does seem like Lorenzo, Stoner and Dovisioso are up each others arses though.

 

[MadZappaFan]

I would say Rossi obviously benefited from the crash up front, but he did ride well and seems to be making progress in the Duc, but dang, 14 seconds! Hoo doggies! Lots of work ahead still.

 

[Jumkie]

Man, what else do you want him to say?

I want him to say "this is racing". Isn't this what he said when he essentially pulled the same .... on Stoner? Didn't he just tell us riders afraid of contact are .......? You don't see the contradiction, do you. Check yourself for color blindness below. What color do you see buddy?

Butler will retire this year, so he's desperate to help Rossi. He can be credited with VR's podium. Have a nice day, I got .... to do.

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[renjith_varma]

I want him to say "this is racing". Isn't this what he said when he essentially pulled the same .... on Stoner? Didn't he just tell us riders afraid of contact are .......? You don't see the contradiction, do you. Check yourself for color blindness below. What color do you see buddy?

Butler will retire this year, so he's desperate to help Rossi. He can be credited with VR's podium. Have a nice day, I got .... to do.

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I see the color of BS allover your post

You seem to take out the yellow card as soon as you don't have anything valid/logical to say

 

[Keshav]

You are WRONG there Jumkie. Whether first lap or final lap, the potential danger from that move is always the same. It doesn't change (May be the danger is more in the first lap on second thought)

Typically you approach the issue in your usual spaced out fashion and miss the point completely. Opening lap racing is quantitatively different because all the riders are bunched up together and the action is necessarily more chaotic, especially on a track like Le Mans. It's the racing equivalent of the break at the beginning of a game of pool; very unpredictable. The racing at this stage for those not in the first two positions is not so controlled.

 

[dwoodhouse]

Yes he did on his outlap on cold tyres.



Stoner stupid to punch RDP, but the fact that RDP is copping nothing from you guys for his dangerous act says a lot about some of you ranters. Biased as all hell

Which is more dangerous? The little push (which was dangerous) or riding in someone's line despite looking around to see who was behind you and potentially have someone ride into the back of you at 300kmh? When someone gets killed will you then agree it's dangerous or if it's Stoner will it be his own fault?

You're missing the point. Everyone thinks what RDP did was dangerous, that he shouldn't be there and race direction had the perfect opportunity to punish both riders for their wrongs. I don't agree that RDP should have got nothing.



The reason why Stoner is copping stick on this forum is that there are a number of people who consistently defend everything he does and there has been so much anti Rossi sentiment lately that occasionally there is a little payback. Yes I am aware that the anti Rossi sentiment is in itself partially payback for earlier times again. It's all about history. There is history with Stoner, people argue about him, so he will be the focus of many debates on here just for being involved in any sort of incident, similarly with rossi.

 

[cangaceiro99]

From oz tv commentary,



darrel beaty (ex 500 gp racer) calls the pass "it was a fair pass" and says "i absolutely think it was ridiculous" ( what happened to simoncelli) " it's racing". They then slow motion the corner from the inside and darrel calls simoncelli's line around the outside as "look how far off the turn simoncelli is, dani stands the bike up. Personally i've never seen a penalty in motorcycle racing like that was delivered to simoncelli".



Comparison is then made to last race last year, where lorenzo was on the inside and simoncelli passed, daryl beatty comments "in that incident lorenzo was behind his footpeg, so he was even further back, that had nothing to do with simoncelli, that was completely his (lorenzo) own fault".



Conjecture is then made that pedrosa hit a small bump on his line (causing his rear to lift), that was not on simoncelli's line, causing pedrosa to stand up.



Beatty calls rossi's ducati as "struggling on change of direction", with chatter at maximum lean.

 

[renjith_varma]

As usual you miss the point completely. Opening lap racing is quantitatively different because all the riders are bunched up together and the action is necessarily more chaotic, especially on a track like Le Mans. It's the racing equivalent of the break at the beginning of a game of pool; very unpredictable.

And I remember you and Jumkie pronouncing VR dangerous based on his 1st corner in Qatar. So I guess JL has company in the Hypocrite club

And FYI the move by JL was at the end of the first lap IIRC which is hardly chaotic by then.

 

[cangaceiro99]

From oz tv commentary,



darrel beaty (ex 500 gp racer) calls the pass "it was a fair pass" and says "i absolutely think it was ridiculous" ( what happened to simoncelli) " it's racing". They then slow motion the corner from the inside and darrel calls simoncelli's line around the outside as "look how far off the turn simoncelli is, dani stands the bike up. Personally i've never seen a penalty in motorcycle racing like that was delivered to simoncelli".



Comparison is then made to last race last year, where lorenzo was on the inside and simoncelli passed, daryl beatty comments "in that incident lorenzo was behind his footpeg, so he was even further back, that had nothing to do with simoncelli, that was completely his (lorenzo) own fault".



Conjecture is then made that pedrosa hit a small bump on his line (causing his rear to lift), that was not on simoncelli's line, causing pedrosa to stand up.



Beatty calls rossi's ducati as "struggling on change of direction", with chatter at maximum lean.

Further beatty calls the yamaha as better tahnt he ducati & ergo, lorenzo should have finished in front of rossi.

 

[gumby1]

I totally agree with mental something should of & needs to be done about riders going slowly on the racing line but what stoner didi should be shat on from a great height - YOU DO NOT DO THAT ON TRACK, you give a slap in the pits straight after. And to think people crucified Max for having a happy slap with rossi years ago.



.... if a rider did that in the uk he would be disqualified from the whole damn event!



He moans that other rides are dangerous - take a long look at yourself you prick.

 

[Keshav]

And I remember you and Jumkie pronouncing VR dangerous based on his 1st corner in Qatar. So I guess JL has company in the Hypocrite club

And FYI the move by JL was at the end of the first lap IIRC which is hardly chaotic by then.

You really need to get away from your computer and actually attend your first actual live race.

Perhaps then you will begin to be a tad less clueless.