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Laguna Practice and qualifying

OK, im confused. Reports from the last month have been that Ducati had fixed the rear of the Ducati and the front end was the problem. Then today, Rossi says this. Valentino Rossi (Ducati Team) 11th (1:23.369)



"After yesterday's technical briefing with Jerry and the team, we decided to continue with the new bike, so I only used the GP11.1. We started with one bike that had the Sachsenring setup, which has a significant change to the weight distribution, while the second bike had a standard setup. I actually prefer the one from Germany. We need to keep working to balance the bike and to improve the rear grip, and then we hope to get a little closer to the pace of the others.





Is this just another example of the Duc being a moving target when it comes to set up, or have they been spewing .... the last month to placate the masses. That 1.3- 1.5 deficit has been a constant no matter what they do or what they say has been improved. Its about time someone start asking Ducati the hard questions.
 
SuperShinya56 said:
Ben Spies need to step it up. He's had enough time to learn and get used to the bike by now. No more excuses.
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Agree - he's got the package to fight up front but it really shows the boys in front of him are a class above imo.....

Bostrom near on 2sec down on Loris and near on 3sec below Elias.

Damn impressive Lolli - he's really showing what the Champ he is.



Go Alvara and Randy above CE.



Pov - keeping up with what Duck is doing is impossible given up
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povol said:
OK, im confused. Reports from the last month have been that Ducati had fixed the rear of the Ducati and the front end was the problem. Then today, Rossi says this. Valentino Rossi (Ducati Team) 11th (1:23.369)



"After yesterday's technical briefing with Jerry and the team, we decided to continue with the new bike, so I only used the GP11.1. We started with one bike that had the Sachsenring setup, which has a significant change to the weight distribution, while the second bike had a standard setup. I actually prefer the one from Germany. We need to keep working to balance the bike and to improve the rear grip, and then we hope to get a little closer to the pace of the others.





Is this just another example of the Duc being a moving target when it comes to set up, or have they been spewing .... the last month to placate the masses. That 1.3- 1.5 deficit has been a constant no matter what they do or what they say has been improved. Its about time someone start asking Ducati the hard questions.
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Maybe it's just a typo or translation problem. This is from GPone

"Jeremy Burgess decided (or perhaps convinced everyone) that it was better not to speak of the GP11, unless it's in the past tense. Valentino rode exclusively with the GP11.1 on Friday. "The problems are the same as they have always been," Vale said after FP1."



I'm glad JB is back and that he doesn't want to revert to the GP11. The front end has been the biggest problem for all the red bike riders on every model, even Casey, so JB is kind of making them deal with the issue by not letting them back track. It seems like JB has the direction and leadership they need. I heard something interesting during FP2 from one of the commentators. He said one of the problems is that when the engine heats up and starts to expand it throws off the setting. I was talking to my uncle about the engine/chassis and he said they are using a 90 degree engine because that has been determined by F1 engineers to be the strongest structural angle for the engine to be used as part of the chassis like it is in F1 cars, any other angle would supposedly require the engine to be beefed up and that means heavier.
 
povol said:
"After yesterday's technical briefing with Jerry and the team, we decided to continue with the new bike, so I only used the GP11.1. We started with one bike that had the Sachsenring setup, which has a significant change to the weight distribution, while the second bike had a standard setup. I actually prefer the one from Germany. We need to keep working to balance the bike and to improve the rear grip, and then we hope to get a little closer to the pace of the others.
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Was it two years ago I was trying to explain Stoner's riding style and the concept of Grip balance and got sooked at by the Powerslidazzi
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Michaelm ....... are you seeing this!!???



Its not that I try being right all the time, or even want or need to ....... it just happens, cos I'm so damn good!!
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BarryMachine said:
Was it two years ago I was trying to explain Stoner's riding style and the concept of Grip balance and got sooked at by the Powerslidazzi
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Michaelm ....... are you seeing this!!???



Its not that I try being right all the time, or even want or need to ....... it just happens, cos I'm so damn good!!
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Please give stoner a call and tell him how to ride the honda then, he hasn't looked right for the last 3 races.
 
hawkdriver said:
Maybe it's just a typo or translation problem. This is from GPone

"Jeremy Burgess decided (or perhaps convinced everyone) that it was better not to speak of the GP11, unless it's in the past tense. Valentino rode exclusively with the GP11.1 on Friday. "The problems are the same as they have always been," Vale said after FP1."



I'm glad JB is back and that he doesn't want to revert to the GP11. The front end has been the biggest problem for all the red bike riders on every model, even Casey, so JB is kind of making them deal with the issue by not letting them back track. It seems like JB has the direction and leadership they need. I heard something interesting during FP2 from one of the commentators. He said one of the problems is that when the engine heats up and starts to expand it throws off the setting. I was talking to my uncle about the engine/chassis and he said they are using a 90 degree engine because that has been determined by F1 engineers to be the strongest structural angle for the engine to be used as part of the chassis like it is in F1 cars, any other angle would supposedly require the engine to be beefed up and that means heavier.
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I made this observation/suggestion after pondering on Ducati's issues a few months back and got no real reply to it.
 
michaelm said:
Please give stoner a call and tell him how to ride the honda then, he hasn't looked right for the last 3 races.
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Patience Michael, they are working on it
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But in any case ........ are you really expecting a win every time?



There are always going to be tracks that don't suit Stoners style.
 
BarryMachine said:
Patience Michael, they are working on it
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But in any case ........ are you really expecting a win every time?



There are always going to be tracks that don't suit Stoners style.
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Rossi paid Stoner a visit at Mugello to remind him of 07 and how he got no credit for beating a slow Yamaha with a fast Ducati. Now on a fast Honda, Stoner was doing it all over again beating up on Lorenzo. Rossi told Stoner he needs to let Lorenzo beat him up a few times, keep the championship close, or else they will say its the Honda. As usual Stoner gets pissed off and tells Rossi to go .... himself because his talent outweighs his ambition. What? I said your talent outweighs......... I mean your ambition outweighs............ oh look I'm not shaking your hand ever again Rossi you cheat Ive been riding a lot of years and thats just too much leave me alone. Rossi shrugs his shoulders and leaves Stoner sulking in the pits.

In the race Stoner takes off as usual pulling away making it all look too easy when suddenly he remembers what Rossi said. Finally Stoner boys gets it, the Honda is much too good, he can win every race this year and no-one will give him any credit. So he turns off the traction control and engine braking control and slides his way to the end of the race getting beaten by Lorenzo and Dovi.

After the race Rossi is walking back to the pits and passes Stoner. Stoner is looking sheepish, and says to Rossi it was the tire pressure, honest it was.
 
birdman said:
Rossi paid Stoner a visit at Mugello to remind him of 07 and how he got no credit for beating a slow Yamaha with a fast Ducati. Now on a fast Honda, Stoner was doing it all over again beating up on Lorenzo. Rossi told Stoner he needs to let Lorenzo beat him up a few times, keep the championship close, or else they will say its the Honda. As usual Stoner gets pissed off and tells Rossi to go .... himself because his talent outweighs his ambition. What? I said your talent outweighs......... I mean your ambition outweighs............ oh look I'm not shaking your hand ever again Rossi you cheat Ive been riding a lot of years and thats just too much leave me alone. Rossi shrugs his shoulders and leaves Stoner sulking in the pits.

In the race Stoner takes off as usual pulling away making it all look too easy when suddenly he remembers what Rossi said. Finally Stoner boys gets it, the Honda is much too good, he can win every race this year and no-one will give him any credit. So he turns off the traction control and engine braking control and slides his way to the end of the race getting beaten by Lorenzo and Dovi.

After the race Rossi is walking back to the pits and passes Stoner. Stoner is looking sheepish, and says to Rossi it was the tire pressure, honest it was.
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Too much dope or what is it, mate?
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hawkdriver said:
Maybe it's just a typo or translation problem. This is from GPone

"Jeremy Burgess decided (or perhaps convinced everyone) that it was better not to speak of the GP11, unless it's in the past tense. Valentino rode exclusively with the GP11.1 on Friday. "The problems are the same as they have always been," Vale said after FP1."



I'm glad JB is back and that he doesn't want to revert to the GP11. The front end has been the biggest problem for all the red bike riders on every model, even Casey, so JB is kind of making them deal with the issue by not letting them back track. It seems like JB has the direction and leadership they need. I heard something interesting during FP2 from one of the commentators. He said one of the problems is that when the engine heats up and starts to expand it throws off the setting. I was talking to my uncle about the engine/chassis and he said they are using a 90 degree engine because that has been determined by F1 engineers to be the strongest structural angle for the engine to be used as part of the chassis like it is in F1 cars, any other angle would supposedly require the engine to be beefed up and that means heavier.
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Mental Anarchist said:
I made this observation/suggestion after pondering on Ducati's issues a few months back and got no real reply to it.
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Actually I believe you may have heard that wrong, that was tweeted into Toby and Jules and they Toby said "No , dont you think they will have thought about that one?"



Have to say if Lorenzo beats stoner again this weekend, honda may not be getting that 800cc championship afterall!
 
techno said:
Actually I believe you may have heard that wrong, that was tweeted into Toby and Jules and they Toby said "No , dont you think they will have thought about that one?"



Have to say if Lorenzo beats stoner again this weekend, honda may not be getting that 800cc championship afterall!
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Not sure if Ducati have been doing much thinking at all to be honest. How many riders have told them there is a problem now? Have they thought of a solution or did they even acknowledge the existence of one?



I would say they weren't thinking much when they offered a bundle to Lorenzo and lost Stoner as a result. I don't think they were thinking much when they hired a rider who likes to ride an easy bike when theirs is an extreme opposite.



In conclusion I would say Ducati don't seem to think about much so the engine heating up and changing dimensions by a very small amount could probably slip by quite easily.
 
Bunyip said:
Do you really think Simoncelli can take out ALL the other riders?
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It's an option....the first turn at Laguna si the perfect place for Simoncelli to do it
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povol said:
OK, im confused. Reports from the last month have been that Ducati had fixed the rear of the Ducati and the front end was the problem. Then today, Rossi says this. Valentino Rossi (Ducati Team) 11th (1:23.369)



"After yesterday's technical briefing with Jerry and the team, we decided to continue with the new bike, so I only used the GP11.1. We started with one bike that had the Sachsenring setup, which has a significant change to the weight distribution, while the second bike had a standard setup. I actually prefer the one from Germany. We need to keep working to balance the bike and to improve the rear grip, and then we hope to get a little closer to the pace of the others.
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I was amazed too...I thought they had solved the rear grip issue at Sachsenring....but they struggle again....I don't understant the Ducati guys.....I know many Italians, and they all have their pride
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povol said:
OK, im confused. Reports from the last month have been that Ducati had fixed the rear of the Ducati and the front end was the problem.
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What they solved was the pumping. The 11.1 doesn't pump. What they didn't solve was the front end. In chasing feeling at the front, they're sacrificing rear grip. Now they're looking for a balance.



Of course, this would be a lot easier if they ditched the L.
 
For honda's own good they should bench pedrosa he's going to cost them the championship if he keeps leeching points from stoner. he is to far back to win it and slotting in just above stoner. Honda where are the team orders, lol
 
Stoner uses the tires more becase he applies very little traction control. He is now trying to get used to more TC just to save his tires, but he is marginally slower that way.

One way or the other, the blessed tires seem to always govern everything in this sport...
 
Kropotkin said:
What they solved was the pumping. The 11.1 doesn't pump. What they didn't solve was the front end. In chasing feeling at the front, they're sacrificing rear grip. Now they're looking for a balance.



Of course, this would be a lot easier if they ditched the L.
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Thanks.



When both ends are a problem, the balance is usually slow, or there is no balance at all.
 
J4rn0 said:
Stoner uses the tires more becase he applies very little traction control. He is now trying to get used to more TC just to save his tires, but he is marginally slower that way.

One way or the other, the blessed tires seem to always govern everything in this sport...
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If thats the case, he needs to give it a shot and see what the overall race result looks like. The old saying " slow down to go fast" may be what Stoner is needing.
 

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