Kevin Schwantz FB Statement Regarding COTA

Texas

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One of our FB followers said a little while ago...


 


If I'm one of those teams that got Schwantz credentials and put him on their guest lists, I'm not at all happy.

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Might even be grounds for legal action.  Especially if they paid him, paid his airfare and accommodations, and had the proper credentials in hand, only to be summarily denied his services; this while the team was under a paid agreement with the track to conduct the test.  Think for a moment you are the one paying the man to help you with the project.  What is your recourse then if somebody comes in and say, hey, I don't like this guy, I'm gonna remove him.  .... your test and the money you spent in getting your personnel here.

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but they havnt said that,and they wont say that they will be quiet and move on and i hope Kevin gets it sorted but far to much laundry is aired in public on social sites.

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Friend, I suppose when you have been wronged that you will be quiet and just let the judge be the arbiter.  I mean, because they always side with justice, right?  KS is a public figure and this mess has become a public interest.  The man is accessible through public media, and many people have an interest in his affairs.  That he is willing to speak frankly about it to his fans, followers, and generally interested public is not something I find unseemly.


 
thedeal

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Kevin had a contract?? legally binding?? if yes no need for face book.

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Because contracts have never been disputed?!?  With all due respect, a contract to slime generally means it "binding" if they 'feel like it'.  Especially if one has a sea of lawyers on retainer for the .... of it, knowing that legal maneuvers most often generally result in the submission and acquiescing of the less funded party.


 


Friend, I'm glad KS is giving us the scoop.  I find nothing wrong with it.  To the contrary, I find it refreshing.  Especially because given my experience, there is a much greater likelihood that the COTA executives are ....... him over.  I would direct you to some of the property owners adjacent to the circuit, as they might be more convincing that these COTA executives are .......s.

Jumkie

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I see a business opportunity.  $19.99 T-shirts on ebay.  I'll buy two.  Its up to us.  God knows the gutless sport media won't ruffle any feathers.


 


(And I'm sure security will be instructed to drag anybody out wearing one).

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I love fighting security guards, they are padlock pullers rat catchers and little girls. 


 


I wish I was going and not a cripple, I'd wear the shirt and then figure out a way to get on camera. 


 


The Australian parallel - if someone treated Doohan or Gardner like this the race track would be the location of a riot. 


 


Personally and this is my highly immature irresponsible not so law abiding side coming out I'd start a social media campaign simply titled "scribble34" the purpose being to graffiti everything possible, the seats the bins the toilets whatever with the number #34. 


 


Must go, time for my enema. 

Andy Roo

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I love fighting security guards, they are padlock pullers rat catchers and little girls. 


 


I wish I was going and not a cripple, I'd wear the shirt and then figure out a way to get on camera. 


 


The Australian parallel - if someone treated Doohan or Gardner like this the race track would be the location of a riot. 


 


Personally and this is my highly immature irresponsible not so law abiding side coming out I'd start a social media campaign simply titled "scribble34" the purpose being to graffiti everything possible, the seats the bins the toilets whatever with the number #34. 


 


Must go, time for my enema. 

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Stickers!!!!


KS#34 Stickers, plaster them everywhere

COTA responds:
 
http://www.cyclenews.com/61/20939/Racing-Article/CotA-responds.aspx
 

Julie Koenig Loignon, CotA’s Vice President of Public and Community Relations, responded with a brief statement and further replied that because of ongoing litigation she could not elaborate further.

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The following is the statement we received:
 
"It is well known that Kevin Schwantz filed suit against Circuit of The Americas last year, and that case is working its way through the legal system. The MotoGP test that was hosted by the Circuit last week was a private event, and open only to participating teams and invited media. Mr. Schwantz was not invited to attend the session by Circuit of The Americas, and as a private property owner, the Circuit determines who has access to its facility.
 
Mr. Schwantz does not have any relationship with Circuit of The Americas. He is not one of the investors who spent $400 million to design and build the facility.
Finally, Circuit of The Americas is the organization responsible for bringing MotoGP to Texas through its promotional agreement with the commercial rights holder Dorna."
 
Reaction by the motorcycle racing community has been swift and falls almost entirely in favor of Schwantz. Facebook lit up over the statement by Schwantz and reactions range from boycotting the race to wearing Kevin Schwantz branded gear to the event to show solidarity to the Hall of Famer. – By Staff

Jumkie

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Might even be grounds for legal action.  Especially if they paid him, paid his airfare and accommodations, and had the proper credentials in hand, only to be summarily denied his services; this while the team was under a paid agreement with the track to conduct the test.  Think for a moment you are the one paying the man to help you with the project.  What is your recourse then if somebody comes in and say, hey, I don't like this guy, I'm gonna remove him.  .... your test and the money you spent in getting your personnel here.

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Legal action? Have you read the smallprint on a Guest pass?


 


Though I do think it's funny that someone laying into another poster about the legal system not providing Juuuuustice! and thefore the necessity for a social media campaign, then goes and suggest further legal action.


 


How's the lawsuit going?

lil red rocket pilot

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Stickers!!!!


KS#34 Stickers, plaster them everywhere

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Genius - and a fortune selling the stickers to be made - powersliders - I have a business opportunity. 

Andy Roo

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Genius - and a fortune selling the stickers to be made - powersliders - I have a business opportunity. 

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I have a printer on standby

Dr No said:

Might even be grounds for legal action. Especially if they paid him, paid his airfare and accommodations, and had the proper credentials in hand, only to be summarily denied his services; this while the team was under a paid agreement with the track to conduct the test. Think for a moment you are the one paying the man to help you with the project. What is your recourse then if somebody comes in and say, hey, I don't like this guy, I'm gonna remove him. .... your test and the money you spent in getting your personnel here.

Legal action? Have you read the smallprint on a Guest pass?

Though I do think it's funny that someone laying into another poster about the legal system not providing Juuuuustice! and thefore the necessity for a social media campaign, then goes and suggest further legal action.

How's the lawsuit going?

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"Laying into another poster"? Who? ...., u've been around here long enuf to know when i 'lay into somebody'. I do it in no uncertain terms. Ur weak attempt to instigate between me & ideal is "funny". He doesnt think KS should air out his side of it, i disagree. U consider that "laying in"? (where is the rolls eyes emoticon when u need it...)

I'll assume ur talking about the fine print on a standard admission ticket. I doubt the team purchased this kind of ticket to enter the track. Most of that ........ is a weak attempt at release of liability incase somebody gets hurt. Newsflash, lawyers find ways around that. So yes, there might be cause for legal action. Take a look at CUNTA's response. U can bet ur ... some lawyer drafted that 'cover my ...' statement very much with the thought of possible legal action.

Ur confusing two different "court" systems here. Media campaigns are a separate issue to legal action. Im ok with KS giving us the scoop on social media. That is for the "court of public opinion." That is point number one, NOT to be confused, with 'further legal action' for being interrupted at the test. In a "court of law." What about these two separate points dont u understand?

Jumkie

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"That someone"? If u talking about me, then say it. No need to ..... foot around. "Laying into another poster"? Who? ...., u've been around here long enuf to know when i 'lay into somebody'. I do it in no uncertain terms. Ur weak attempt to instigate between me & ideal is "funny". He doesnt think KS should air out his side of it, i disagree. U consider that "laying in"? (where is the rolls eyes emoticon when u need it...) I'll assume ur talking about the find print on a standard admission ticket. I doubt the team purchased this kind of ticket to enter the track. Most of that ........ is a weak attempt at release of liability incase somebody gets hurt. Newsflash, lawyers find ways around that. So yes, there might be cause for legal action. Take a look at CUNTA's response. U can bet ur ... some lawyer drafted that 'cover my ...' statement very much with the thought of possible legal action. Ur confusing two different "court" systems here. Media campaigns are a separate issue to legal action. Im ok with KS giving us the scoop on social media. That is for the "court of public opinion." That is point number one, NOT to be confused, with 'further legal action' for being interrupted at the test. In a "court of law." What about these two separate points dont u understand?

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Umm, Jumkie.


Slow down and read a bit before you go springing into print.


 


I'm not attempting to "instigate" between deal and you, it was a clear rhetorical statement on you decrying the workings of the legal system (in regards to Kevvie's law suit against COTA) but then enthusiastically endorsing more legal action (a law suit against COTA). I fear you may have missed it.


 


And no, I'm not talking about a standard admission ticket, I clearly wrote "Guest pass". I have lots of 'em. They can be yanked from you no-questions-asked. You might be able to get them back, but in this case, I guess Kevvie kouldn't.


 


 


 


Personally, I reckon the sticker bombing campaign is the way to go. Wallpaper the place with them. Then head up to Haywards (?) hill on Monday and watch them spending days peeling the buggers off. While enjoying a beer in the sunshine.

I have been known to jump to conclusions.

DocN,i think whats got me not seeing straight is this shameless arrogance of these CUNTA ..... and knowing they'll get away with it. Its a narrative that has played out thousands of times across various situations whenever the standard (and make no mistake, these excs are astoundingly similar, powerful greedy .....) high powered business .......s do deals. I know its probably part of my "confirmation bias", but its my belief that KS has been screwed over. Suddenly Dorna had a deal with CUNTA, and regardless of what my buddy Krops says about the integrity of that .... Carmelo, im convinced there was some backroom deal to squeeze KS out. Its like the CUNTA & DORNA execs looked across the room, winked at eachother recognizing each other for the high powered business slimeballs they are. This of course is my personal "judgement" in the 'court of my public opinion'. :lol:

bluegreen

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Statement by Kevin Schwantz:


"Especially because I am single-handedly responsible for bringing MotoGP to Texas and for the initial design of the facility to accommodate MotoGP racing."

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Really Kevin? Did you just bump into Carmelo and show him this great idea for a circuit you drew on a napkin and bang! MotoGP Texas.

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Yeah, I had to re-read that part myself. I'm on Kevin's side but that comment sounded a little megalomaniacal. Nobody does a $400 million dollar project "single handedly".

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He's not saying he built the track. He's saying he brought the Moto GP contract...and he did do that. He brought the original 10-year Moto GP race rights deal from Dorna to COTA. COTA represented publicly that they were attempting to secure the race rights from Schwantz, offering him 8 figures for them, when they were actually dodging his every attempt to negotiate a deal to transfer the rights to COTA. COTA delayed Schwantz so long that Dorna (possibly willingly, as alluded to above) rescinded the deal with Schwantz and cut a deal with the track. Sound familiar?

I love the fact that there are several people crying out for Kevin's case, and death to COTA....and yet most of them are still going to the Race....to spend their hard earned money to support COTA and DORNA....(and of course to help pay for their lawyers working to screw Kevin)


 


Oh but some will wear t-shirts in support of Kevin......how very honorable of you.....That will show COTA and DORNA who is in the right!  ....please remember not to buy a souvenir t-shirt at the race from the Dorna and COTA approved vendors.....


 


Oh and some of you may even put support Kevin stickers all over the complex......again very honorable of you....  especially telling the world on here your plan to cause vandalism.....lets hope you dont get caught and kicked out of the circuit for the weekend.....especially as you have already paid for ticket and parking (that DORNA approved and sold T-shirt cap, and COTA beers/hot dogs)......Kevin i am sure will appreciate you following in his example by Twittering / Facebooking about being ejected from circuit...... B)


 


Good to see the spirit of rebellion still lives in Texas and the USA, Dorna and COTA should fear you and your actions....


 


Enjoy the race COTA DORNA Race....and their beer and food and their souvenirs....


 


And I am sure Austin thanks you (and Dorna/Cota) for contributing to the local economy...

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Do y'all see the play here?


 


There's much more at stake here than it seems. More than the Schwantz lawsuit. COTA is making a revisionist effort to build the case that Schwantz didn't bring MotoGP at all, and that they went out and secured the rights. They need to make it appear that their "Circuit Events Local Organizing Committee" (CELOC) secured the race, because that's the only way they can legally justify Texas METF funding in the millions of $$$ per year. If they can't make this case, then they actually don't qualify for the funding.


 


This is essentially the same thing they did to Hellmund, pretending they had to go out and get the F1 race, when in actuality, Bernie/FOM/FIA had never, ever, removed that race from the calendar. Hellmund got it on the calendar and it was never removed. The only thing in question then was whether COTA would ever pay up the sanctioning fee to FOM.  They delayed payment for months, until finally FOM (Bernie) were forced to void Hellmund's contract & deal with the track. COTA doesn't legally qualify for the METF funding they received for F1, because CELOC didn't secure that race, either. Hellmund did. But they've gotten away with the sham so far.


 


Similarly, Schwantz secured Moto GP and COTA simply never acknowledged Schwantz's ownership of the rights. Dorna wanted the race badly, so they screwed Kevin and dealt with COTA. What/who is the common denominator here? This is nothing new for COTA.


 


Remember the announcement on MotoGP.com, concurrent with Schwantz, Spies and Varsha's MotoGP announcement in Austin? Make no mistake, Schwantz brought that race here, not COTA. 

Ahhh. Memories...

Of Barnard being screwed out of the PI deal so it could go to a .... track up north with powerlines over it.

Still traveled up there a couple of times for the GP though, even shat myself into Turn 1 several years later...


Just go.

And have a good time.

Bring stickers if you desire.

3 races in one ....... country, who do you think you are? Spain? ?

Dr No

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3 races in one ....... country, who do you think you are? Spain? ?

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Hahaha. They have the circuits, but it might take a while to find the three championship contenders.

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Hahaha. They have the circuits, but it might take a while to find the three championship contenders.

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Not true....technically, everyone at this point in the season is a championship contender .....

Jumkie

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Because contracts have never been disputed?!?  With all due respect, a contract to slime generally means it <span style="font-size:14px;"binding" if they 'feel like it<span style="font-size:14px;'.  Especially if one has a sea of lawyers on retainer for the .... of it, knowing that legal maneuvers most often generally result in the submission and acquiescing of the less funded party.

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Man, this is exactly how these guys operate, on every level. They're bullies, plain and simple. I'm glad that Schwantz, the surrounding neighborhood, and  Hellmund have chosen to stand up against them rather than bending over.


 


To be sure, they're going to hold you to your end of any deal you enter into with them, but they're only going to honor their end if they're getting the better of you. Otherwise, they just do what they want to and settle the lawsuit with you later.


 


Hellmund & Schwantz didn't know it early on, but thanks to them most people know now....do business with these guys and you will get the short end.