Now I have seen it all. Marquez powers past 20 odd bikes in 2 straights. The power differential is ridiculous. No amount of skill can achieve what just happened.
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No way. They are supposed to have the same engines as it is a control engine. The advantage should be in handling. Marquez drove passed almost the whole field like he was on a motogp bike.
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I don't know, the first lap wasn't really a power advantage. Did you see how he took the corners? he got a perfect line through the first 3 corners while everyone else was pushed wide and whatnot. He definitely deserves that Repsol MotoGP bike next year. That was unbelievable. The fact of the matter is, he passed them all in the corners, not on the straight. He just seems to be able to pick the bike up earlier out of the corners. I somewhat doubt that he's cheating, but the way it looks sometimes he just cruises past a lot of other riders.
He had it in neutral when the lights went out. First corner 4-5th last. Then proceeded to pass the field under acceleration within about 3 corners. He had MotoGP speed & acceleration. He did smash into the side of another rider in his struggle to control his MotoGP bike.
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That's why he gets the repsol ride next year.
From near last at turn 1, he managed the tyres, picking his way through the field, and wins the race with relative ease. Pol could not maintain the pressure and pace making an error in the last two laps, from there MM was untouchable.
From near last at turn 1, he managed the tyres, picking his way through the field, and wins the race with relative ease. Pol could not maintain the pressure and pace making an error in the last two laps, from there MM was untouchable.
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Citing Beattie Channel 10 twitter (whatever that is) went mad with the suggestion moto2 should have a claiming rule.
Maybe not "mad" but a few twits.
Pol says post race. "i'd love to have his acceleration. To be honest I might be sitting on the other side of the fence to where I was way back when everyone doubted Stoner and that wouldn't be fair to Marquez (actually Marquez couldn't give a ....)
It was a brilliant ride from a neutral start to win, credit to the man, he's got lots of zap and pizzazz, he's a right prick on track but he has plenty of time left to mature a bit.
Edit 1: I'm fence sitting on Marquez, but if he wasn't Spanish then...
Maybe not "mad" but a few twits.
Pol says post race. "i'd love to have his acceleration. To be honest I might be sitting on the other side of the fence to where I was way back when everyone doubted Stoner and that wouldn't be fair to Marquez (actually Marquez couldn't give a ....)
It was a brilliant ride from a neutral start to win, credit to the man, he's got lots of zap and pizzazz, he's a right prick on track but he has plenty of time left to mature a bit.
Edit 1: I'm fence sitting on Marquez, but if he wasn't Spanish then...
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One incident in the race and apparently he tried to kill in FP this round!!
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There was much talk also of Moto2 at Motegi on Saturday, though not so much of qualifying - as thrilling as it was, with Pol Espargaro taking another pole at a track where the Kalexes are looking very good indeed - as of free practice in the morning. That session saw a collision between Marc Marquez and Mika Kallio, which Race Direction later characterized as a 'racing incident' and decided to let pass unpunished.
Marquez ran wide into turn 7, allowing Kallio to pass him underneath. Marquez decided not to cede the position, and put on a burst of speed to try to dive back underneath Kallio into the S Curve which follows almost immediately. He failed, and hit Kallio just about amidships, taking the Marc VDS Racing rider out and destroying his bike.
The Marc VDS team were livid, unsurprisingly, team boss Michael Bartholemy calling the move "suicidal". The force of the impact bent the swingarm on Kallio's bike - an impressive feat, if a rather unseemly way of achieving it - and left the Finn struggling during qualifying with a hastily rebuilt bike with clutch problems.
For Marquez not to be sanctioned seems frankly bizarre. To characterize the move by Marquez on Kallio as a racing incident may have some merit if it had actually taken place during a race. Then, such a move might be regarded as Marquez trying to defend his position. But it was free practice, and there was nothing at stake except set up time, and perhaps a tiny amount of pride. The move was borderline dangerous, but what made it worse was it was totally unnecessary.
Marquez has form. This is the third time he has been called in to explain himself to Race Direction this year, after clashes with Tom Luthi at Qatar and Pol Espargaro in Barcelona. Those moves at least had the benefit of being made during the race while dicing for victory. This move was made during a totally meaningless free practice session.
It will be interesting to see what happens when Marquez ascends to the MotoGP class next year. In Moto2, he is clearly the golden boy of the series, with the power of Repsol behind him. But next year he will be sharing a garage with a man who is a serious title contender, and any mishaps due to excessive exuberance which Race Direction let go unpunished will see HRC figures step in very firmly. Marquez will also face a much more hostile crowd in his fellow riders, with Jorge Lorenzo already having elected to speak up previously against dangerous riding. Hard words will fall on Marquez if he continues in his current vein.
But really, this is an issue for Race Direction to deal with, especially in Moto2 and Moto3. The purpose of the entry classes is to prepare young riders for MotoGP, and that means getting them into line quickly and helping them to understand exactly what will and what will not be tolerated. Examples should be set in Moto3 and Moto2, not in MotoGP, as appears to be happening at the moment.
The problem Race Direction faces is that they can be overruled, as happened at Barcelona. There, their initial punishment meted out to Marquez was annulled by the FIM stewards, after an appeal by Marquez' team. That should not be a concern: Mike Webb and his team should rule as they see appropriate, without worrying about what the FIM stewards will do once the teams appeal - which they will do. A punishment for Marquez would have sent a message, not just to the Spaniard but to every rider in Moto2 and Moto3. Given Marquez' previous history, he needs to be made to understand that message sooner, rather than later.
As for the incident in FP, that is for Race Direction to decide. How, when and why they decide is up to them. In my POV, Mark didn't need to force the issue. He did and so did Kalio. Mark crashed into Kalio.
The race was excellent! This is not Marks first time having to cut through the entire field. He has done this in 125 in Australia, so him being in this situation is not new and can obviously handle himself in it. He seems to perfectly position himself in the correct spot to overtake as many people as possible in the fist lap. His positioning, better braking and mentality allow him to overtake like mad until he reaches Redding in 5th.
Redding runs wide and is overtaken by Mark. He passes Luthi by out breaking him. With the 2 Pon's team mates there are mistakes and they go wide. Mark makes no mistakes battling them. Again in the end beats Pol Esp by not messing up and going wide in a corner like Pol did.
The race was excellent! This is not Marks first time having to cut through the entire field. He has done this in 125 in Australia, so him being in this situation is not new and can obviously handle himself in it. He seems to perfectly position himself in the correct spot to overtake as many people as possible in the fist lap. His positioning, better braking and mentality allow him to overtake like mad until he reaches Redding in 5th.
Redding runs wide and is overtaken by Mark. He passes Luthi by out breaking him. With the 2 Pon's team mates there are mistakes and they go wide. Mark makes no mistakes battling them. Again in the end beats Pol Esp by not messing up and going wide in a corner like Pol did.
Damn this race reminded me of when he was in 125 and he crashed on the warm up and had to start from the back....the kid is damn good
Do you just see what your mind wants you to see? He passed half the field in the first 3 corners, IN THE CORNERS. Not in the middle of the straight or before the braking point, he out braked everybody, held a better line, and got on the power way before everyone else. If he has an advantage it isn't the engine, it's the chassis. He is able to get better corner exit speeds then everyone else. He doesn't have a 1000cc RCV. He has the same 600cc DOHC 16 valve Honda 4 cylinder as everyone else on the grid. What is different is he is very light, has an exceptional chassis, quite possibly the best aero package available, and with Repsol backing, I'm sure his team doesn't have any budget limits like a lot of the other teams in the championship. But his biggest advantage is his skill, his aggression, and his determination to win. He makes passes that other riders won't even try. He makes those passes work, and while he has been a part of a lot of accidents, so what? It's racing. He races to win, not to be on the podium or to get a 'good result'. He is leading the championship by a considerable margin, and the only rider who can really beat him straight up consistently is Pol Espargaro, who has lost out to Marquez more than he's beaten him.
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So it's OK to ride and race like a certified psychopath - just so long as you're 'WINNING!'
I bet you're also a big fan of Schumacher and ... Charlie Sheen.
So you know for a FACT that you could put any of those engines on a Dyno and the trace will be IDENTICAL?
Well, why is it that a couple of months ago another rider complained that he had received a dud engine that was putting out well below par level of performance. He complained to the authority and was told too bad and he then had to continue using the engine for the allocation of races.
Is it not possible that there are a small percentage of engines that are below the average output, a large percentage that have the average output and then a small percent that have a few more horses? Is it not possible that Dorna knows which engine is which and makes sure that the riders get the engines that suit Dorna's desired outcome?
If you don't believe this is possible then I hate to break it to you but WWF is not real man!
As far as what happened in the race, Marquez takes very tight lines to get up the inside, turns and then shoots it out and under acceleration drives past huge numbers of riders. The kid is good, and his team is good but in a spec engine series I don't believe what he did is possible if he had the same horsepower as every other rider. If you do and you also believe that MotoGP/2 is all above board then good for you and you will no doubt enjoy the entertainment that is coming your way because you are exactly the fan that Dorna is looking for and catering to.
MA- Do you know for a FACT that if you put MM engine and another on the grid that they wouldn´t be identical? You don´t. You know about as much what´s going on tec wise as anyone on this or any other forum. Discussing .... we are millions of miles from. Closest I got to a GP garage was in Motegi, 2005 from the fence I could see the rear tire/tyre. You don´t think the guys lineing up next to him on the grid, or their mechanics couldn´t see the extra 400 cc?
In regard to Westie´s claims of a "dud" engine, have you seen these claims? I imagine there is a report somewhere indicating this. Nothing hearsay rummor ...., but a proper documented claim to the third party engine maintenance company would work just fine. Could also be some poor smokescreen for .... results. Can´t be the .... team he´s on. Qatar Racing, bags of stuff in their racing history. He´s been riding the coat tails of him beeing an expert in the rain for a while now, It´s rained a lot since he´s been around and has not much to show for it.
MA- If I was in your bitter shoes I would no longer call myself a fan of the sport, or show. Save my breath/typing time for something true and unspoiled by the greed of the show. I question many of Dorna´s moves. They have ...... up a lot of things trying to better something that never needed fixing in the first place. Moto 2 seems like something they have done right.
In regard to Westie´s claims of a "dud" engine, have you seen these claims? I imagine there is a report somewhere indicating this. Nothing hearsay rummor ...., but a proper documented claim to the third party engine maintenance company would work just fine. Could also be some poor smokescreen for .... results. Can´t be the .... team he´s on. Qatar Racing, bags of stuff in their racing history. He´s been riding the coat tails of him beeing an expert in the rain for a while now, It´s rained a lot since he´s been around and has not much to show for it.
MA- If I was in your bitter shoes I would no longer call myself a fan of the sport, or show. Save my breath/typing time for something true and unspoiled by the greed of the show. I question many of Dorna´s moves. They have ...... up a lot of things trying to better something that never needed fixing in the first place. Moto 2 seems like something they have done right.
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Yes. Its called a bell-curve.
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Possible but not plausible.
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