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James limited: Strategy vs Capability

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 19 2008, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not all roads lead to some conspiracy against your beloved Stoner, so there is no need to make some thinly veiled defense of him here.
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Its a matter of prototype racing and the “spirit” of limitless innovation and capability to win a race. It would follow naturally from this concept that limiting one factor is counter to the premise for which Formula One prototype for the sole purpose of grand prix racing was developed. Let me dumb it down; the sole purpose of grand prix racing is to have teams design a machine within the least restrictive parameters and see who wins. But what has happened in my estimation is that a whole host of restrictions and rules have impeded the concept of pure racing. At one time, Formula One, as the pinnacle of racing, had the aim of building the best machine, only restricted by the least of parameter for a race. MotoGP is the Formula One of motorcycle racing, yet it has turned into a plethora of restriction and rules, one of which is fuel. That is what is being discussed here.

No reference to Stoner was made ..... indeed in this case I would just say it is a generic "Rider X" .... meaning that sometimes things are bandied around in the name of a rider saying it, for alterior motives. I could see this one as being tied to Toseland however I still choose to say its a generic rider comment. Its more of a beef as an attempt to publicly guarantee he gets a updated engine, which after his performance I say more power too him, he should be on a top line Yam. But the actual reference to having more power if fuel limitation was removed I disagree with as it is a strong criteria for design improvements that are valid for the future of Motogp. Its a bit like yes we could satiate our current desire however if we do so then an area of engine development will be ignored.

I actually have more objection to there being rules on it being an internal combustion engine frankly, however not many do. But I do feel that every attempt to get the best design is a thing worth working for. And fuel efficiency being so apt is a good criteria, especially when one realises it usually ends up in engine design that gives more power.

The very fact that Toseland is asking for the newer Yam engine shows that the matter of designing to such a criteria as fuel efficiency does work. So yes he could be satiated temporarily with say an allocated 2 litres extra fuel ...... but really Yam. should just get the better engine out there as it is the future.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Mar 18 2008, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>teo gp racing is not the place for enviormentaly friendly green technologies imo. there should be no such restrictions of this type. if the factories need to explore for this type of tech then take it to sbk. thats were it's going to end up... on street bikes.

I disagree, I'm not saying turn MotoGP into a electric motor racing! I just say that since there has to be some kind of limits, if I have to chose between a rule that provides something to society and another that serves no other purpose like a rev limiter I will go for the first one. And that way get a good argument to keep the treehuggers at bay (who in my country have almost killed offroad sport).

And about researching and exploring, IMO it all should be done in MotoGP. SBK is for road bikes, the prototype tyre war almost killed it. There should be no extra money wasted in research for SBK bikes. Keep it as cheap as possible and more people will be able to afford competitive rides.
 
Can anyone find and post the top speed of all the Yamaha's on race tires when practicing and then during the race.I would like to see how much the spring motors had to detune compared to the pnuematic to get to the end on fuel.The way they were making it sound is that the pnuematic engine is easier on fuel than the spring engine and they didnt have to detune it from practice and qualifying to go the race distance.Like i said,i allways thought more hp and RPM's meant more fuel consumption.Is this the case or is the pnuematic enginge a far superior design that creates not only more power,but sips less fuel.
 
A fuel limit is less of a tactical situation than unlimited fuel quantities. With a limit, everyone has to engineer the best possible solution from a given resource. However without that fuel restriction teams will be faced with the tactical decision between being lighther at the expense of power or carrying extra weight to allow the engines to run faster.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 20 2008, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can anyone find and post the top speed of all the Yamaha's on race tires when practicing and then during the race.I would like to see how much the spring motors had to detune compared to the pnuematic to get to the end on fuel.The way they were making it sound is that the pnuematic engine is easier on fuel than the spring engine and they didnt have to detune it from practice and qualifying to go the race distance.Like i said,i allways thought more hp and RPM's meant more fuel consumption.Is this the case or is the pnuematic enginge a far superior design that creates not only more power,but sips less fuel.

FP1
http://images.motogp.com/multimedia2/1023/1023712.pdf

FP2
http://images.motogp.com/multimedia2/1024/1024409.pdf

FP3
http://images.motogp.com/multimedia2/1024/1024981.pdf

Qualifying
http://images.motogp.com/multimedia2/1025/1025382.pdf

Warm Up
http://images.motogp.com/multimedia2/1026/1026693.pdf

Race
http://images.motogp.com/multimedia2/1027/1027039.pdf