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Its heating up in the AMA

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AMA/DMG released a statement at Miller saying that improvements in the track would allow for wet races at the upcoming Mid -Ohio event.Well,the riders are there testing this week and say not a damn thing has changed and have got together and released their own message to the fans.DONT BOTHER showing up at Mid Ohio if its raining because we are not going to ride.The battle of wills has begun in ernest.Mladin fired the first shot with his explosion on the podium a couple of races ago trashing the new rules,DMG responded by saying Mladin was ignorant and uninformed.Now Mladin has led a rider Mutiny in the name of safety.This .... is getting good.The way Mladin is thiumbing his nose at DMG says he meant it when he said he would not be back next year under the proposed rule package and is going to go out of his way to make DMG look like the buffons they are.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Jun 12 2008, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So the wall on the back strait and the guard rails along thunder valley were okay all along?
Amazing.

I'm starting to dislike this man.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 13 2008, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Amazing.

I'm starting to dislike this man.

Last year Moto-St scheduled a race at the Iowa roval. Some riders protested since there was no chicane on the oval turn; the bikes just hauled ... through there as a car would.

The riders were ignored and the race went as scheduled. Sure enough, there was a big crash on the banking during the race. A rider hit the wall hard and was sent to the hospital.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Jun 13 2008, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Last year Moto-St scheduled a race at the Iowa roval. Some riders protested since there was no chicane on the oval turn; the bikes just hauled ... through there as a car would.

The riders were ignored and the race went as scheduled. Sure enough, there was a big crash on the banking during the race. A rider hit the wall hard and was sent to the hospital.
Dont forget that in that same incident another rider hit the wreckage and went up in flames and was taken to the hospital.Brian Parriott was the rider that tried to start a revolt because it was so dangerous,but the scab that was second in the points saw his chance when Parriott refused to ride and went for it for personal gain instead of standing up against the dictator Edmonson.Parriott was fined heavily for trying to get other riders to boycott the race.Edmonson is an ....... who cares abouit nothing but money.He basically says so in his revised statement.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Jun 12 2008, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Edmondson has replied to the riders' decision not to ride in the rain at Mid-Ohio.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Jun/080612res.htm

So the wall on the back strait and the guard rails along thunder valley were okay all along?

Here is an example of the arrogance of this prick

When the release on Mid-Ohio was issued during the AMA Superbike event last weekend at Road America, members of the official AMA Rider Safety Council for Road Racing (which included Ben Bostrom, Jamie Hacking, Tommy Hayden, Mat Mladin, Cory West and Jake Zemke) were asked if they had been involved in any recent discussions regarding changes to or inspections of Mid-Ohio that would lead to it being approved for riding in the wet.

Mladin, Bostrom, Hacking and Zemke all told Roadracingworld.com that they had not been involved in any such activity and had no knowledge of changes at Mid-Ohio.

This led to Roadracingworld.com asking Edmondson, does the Rider Safety Council still exist?

“I have no idea,” said Edmondson. “I know that there is one, but I don’t know who they are. But this is not an issue that riders should be taking up, in my mind. It’s not appropriate that one rider determines whether or not another rider can ride. It’s only appropriate that one rider determines whether or not he rides.”

So will the Rider Safety Council be irrelevant in the future?

“It’s irrelevant right this minute, as far as I’m concerned,” stated Edmondson. “We have not met anybody, and nobody’s ever presented themselves as being a member of it. And frankly, I haven’t asked about it in this particular case. Because, once again, while you may determine that the track is not something you want to ride, I might determine just the opposite. This is my chance for a big payday. And so I don’t think it’s appropriate in issues of this type where a track is approved for competition period that we get riders telling us whether or not it’s appropriate to ride there in the wet.

“Now, if there’s changes that need to be made to racetracks and we need to get input from a variety of people, then certainly the riders can be helpful. I’d like to think that we’re going to have a very close relationship with a rider committee once we get firmly in charge, but I can’t tell you it’ll be the same guys that are on there now.

“There seems to be a tendency to pick fast people with the implication that being fast means a greater level of intellect. And I don’t happen to subscribe to that. It might be true, but it’s not guaranteed. I think we need to have people with a long view who are capable of understanding the issues, both those that the rider deals with [and] that the promoter deals with and balance those things when they make the recommendations. Today’s committee might be exactly those guys, but the bottom line was that it’s not a question of racing in the rain or not. If a track’s approved for racing it’s approved for racing.”

Asked for his thoughts concering top factory riders who have already said that they will not race in the rain at Mid-Ohio and how that might affect the August 1-3 AMA Superbike event there, Edmondson said, “I think it’s typical. It’s part of the current environment where the riders seem to feel that they’re in charge and where’s there been a complete lack of professionalism. I think that it’s silly to be sending a message to spectators who might want to buy a ticket to Mid-Ohio that if the skies are cloudy you might want to stay home.

“On the other hand, they’re certainly entitled not to ride and that’s a position that’s been respected by every AMA regime that’s ever been around, including mine before and mine that’s coming. I respect that. But I have no respect and will not abide by this concept that you go out and get other people and try to convince them or prevent them not to ride.”

Last year, Edmondson’s MOTO-ST endurance series raced at Iowa Speedway, a facility that had never hosted a sanctioned motorcycle road race and had not been inspected by any of the series’ riders prior to the start of the event. Once the event started Brian Parriott, who rode for Championship contender San Jose BMW at the time, was part of a group of riders who tried to organize a boycott of the race. Parriott was fined significantly by MOTO-ST for his actions, including an interview he gave to Roadracingworld.com.

“I hope it doesn’t happen, but somebody’s gonna get hurt,” predicted Parriott, who was concerned primarily with the unpadded retaining wall outside of Iowa Speedway’s Turns One and Two.

The worst fears of Parriott and several other racers came to be when Shawn Higbee was knocked down by another rider, crashed in that area and slid into an unpadded wall. He suffered a compound fracture of his femur, a broken pelvis and a broken shoulder. Brian Kcraget then crashed trying to avoid Higbee’s motorcycle, which was engulfed in flames in the middle of the racetrack, and suffered a severe head injury. Both Higbee and Kcraget recovered from their injuries and returned to racing later in 2007, but Iowa Speedway did not return to the MOTO-ST schedule for 2008.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jun 13 2008, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>“It’s irrelevant right this minute, as far as I’m concerned,” stated Edmondson. “We have not met anybody, and nobody’s ever presented themselves as being a member of it. And frankly, I haven’t asked about it in this particular case. Because, once again, while you may determine that the track is not something you want to ride, I might determine just the opposite. This is my chance for a big payday. And so I don’t think it’s appropriate in issues of this type where a track is approved for competition period that we get riders telling us whether or not it’s appropriate to ride there in the wet.

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My jaw hit the floor on that one.

Riders determining when it's safe to race? What has the world come to?!
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I so seriously hope that the riders stand united against the sort of dictatorial attitude that seems to be coming across from Edmonson.

And I so hope that the general public, yes the fans, fully support and endorse the riders approach and determination in ensuring their safety at all circuits.

IMO, the only people who can determine if a track is safe are the riders, not the CoC, promoter or anyone other than the riders. They are the ones putting their lives and livelihoods at risk by taking to the track and deserve the utmost respect for their decisions, which will not be taken lightly.

A question to our US people. Is the likelihood that all riders will support any no ride type action plausible or would it be expected to be split?





Garry
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jun 14 2008, 07:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I so seriously hope that the riders stand united against the sort of dictatorial attitude that seems to be coming across from Edmonson.

And I so hope that the general public, yes the fans, fully support and endorse the riders approach and determination in ensuring their safety at all circuits.

IMO, the only people who can determine if a track is safe are the riders, not the CoC, promoter or anyone other than the riders. They are the ones putting their lives and livelihoods at risk by taking to the track and deserve the utmost respect for their decisions, which will not be taken lightly.

A question to our US people. Is the likelihood that all riders will support any no ride type action plausible or would it be expected to be split?





Garry

I would guess the factory guys would stick together and some of the privateers would go for it.
Im trying to give this ....... the benefit of the doubt on the 'big payday' quote as MAYBE he was saying if he was a rider,he might see it as a chance for a big payday.Thats certainly not how it came out but surely to god he cant be that ....... stupid to say,.... your safety,ive got money to make.But then again,as arrogant as he sounds on every other subject,that might be exactly what he meant.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jun 14 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would guess the factory guys would stick together and some of the privateers would go for it.
Im trying to give this ....... the benefit of the doubt on the 'big payday' quote as MAYBE he was saying if he was a rider,he might see it as a chance for a big payday.Thats certainly not how it came out but surely to god he cant be that ....... stupid to say,.... your safety,ive got money to make.But then again,as arrogant as he sounds on every other subject,that might be exactly what he meant.

Now that I've recovered from my shock after reading Edmondson's reply..

Unfortunately, I think it he said exactly what he means.

I have been willing to give DMG a chance, even though I disagreed with some of the rules changes, but this...

I'm almost hoping it does rain now, get this fight that's started brewing over with sooner. I'm personally appalled at his attitude. If it rains, it's gonna be a battle of massive proportions. The rift it's going to create between DMG and the riders is going to be irreparable...AMA Superbike 2009 is going to be stillborn.

If this is the attitude and position DMG is going to stick to, I don't know if I'm going to support it next year.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kawzx7R @ Jun 14 2008, 07:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now that I've recovered from my shock after reading Edmondson's reply..

Unfortunately, I think it he said exactly what he means.

I have been willing to give DMG a chance, even though I disagreed with some of the rules changes, but this...

I'm almost hoping it does rain now, get this fight that's started brewing over with sooner. I'm personally appalled at his attitude. If it rains, it's gonna be a battle of massive proportions. The rift it's going to create between DMG and the riders is going to be irreparable...AMA Superbike 2009 is going to be stillborn.

If this is the attitude and position DMG is going to stick to, I don't know if I'm going to support it next year.

Dont take this as a flame, but why the hell would you have even considered supporting DMG even before finding out the prick in charge is about nothing but money.The day the rules were released was the day AMA Superbike died.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jun 15 2008, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dont take this as a flame, but why the hell would you have even considered supporting DMG even before finding out the prick in charge is about nothing but money.The day the rules were released was the day AMA Superbike died.

So you're saying everything was fine and nothing needed to change?

The grids are pathetic

The racing is pretty much boring.

Yes, I was willing to give the new changes a chance.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jun 14 2008, 06:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A question to our US people. Is the likelihood that all riders will support any no ride type action plausible or would it be expected to be split?

As povol mentioned earlier, the attempted rider boycott at Iowa last year was killed when one team decided to race, taking advantage of the absence of the championship-leading team, whose lead rider, Brian Parriott, organized the attempted strike. Parriott was fined by Moto-St not only for attemtping a boycott, but also for speaking to the media on the issue.

I think DMG will get around any attempt at boycotting because there will always be someone willing to race for the easy money and sponsors the Frances will undoubtedly dangle in front of small teams. A member of another forum even suggested DMG might assemble a rider safety committee of its own, populated with "yes men" who are on the company payroll.

These guys are experts at controlling information and minimizing dissention. Watch a NASCAR race, how many times will you hear a driver or TV guy question the organization or the decision makers? Even the drivers who are supposedly outspoken don't dare rock the boat (ask Tony Stewart). Instead, most are overflowing with praise for the wisdom and professionalism of NASCAR.

These NASCAR people are hard-headed; I expect this Daytona Superbike thing to go on for years, even if the fanbase shrinks and is never restored. Grand-Am still struggles with poor attendance after five years under the revised formula, yet they persist...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Jun 15 2008, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As povol mentioned earlier, the attempted rider boycott at Iowa last year was killed when one team decided to race, taking advantage of the absence of the championship-leading team, whose lead rider, Brian Parriott, organized the attempted strike. Parriott was fined by Moto-St not only for attemtping a boycott, but also for speaking to the media on the issue.

I think DMG will get around any attempt at boycotting because there will always be someone willing to race for the easy money and sponsors the Frances will undoubtedly dangle in front of small teams. A member of another forum even suggested DMG might assemble a rider safety committee of its own, populated with "yes men" who are on the company payroll.

These guys are experts at controlling information and minimizing dissention. Watch a NASCAR race, how many times will you hear a driver or TV guy question the organization or the decision makers? Even the drivers who are supposedly outspoken don't dare rock the boat (ask Tony Stewart). Instead, most are overflowing with praise for the wisdom and professionalism of NASCAR.

These NASCAR people are hard-headed; I expect this Daytona Superbike thing to go on for years, even if the fanbase shrinks and is never restored. Grand-Am still struggles with poor attendance after five years under the revised formula, yet they persist...

You couldnt be more right.Here is a snippet of the above interview

There seems to be a tendency to pick fast people with the implication that being fast means a greater level of intellect. And I don’t happen to subscribe to that. It might be true, but it’s not guaranteed. I think we need to have people with a long view who are capable of understanding the issues

That last sentence says it all.The people he is refering to would be the yes men you mentioned who would put DMG's profit margin over any concerns the riders might have
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jun 15 2008, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dont take this as a flame, but why the hell would you have even considered supporting DMG even before finding out the prick in charge is about nothing but money.The day the rules were released was the day AMA Superbike died.


AMA Superbike was dead long before this happened.......



All it takes is a little comprehension and you will see that he was talking from another riders POV.....Meaning that if he was another racer knowing that the factory guys were taking the day off, he may go out and run so he can get his name and sponsors out in front of the camera.

Why would the track be safe to ride in dry conditions but not wet??? I am still at a loss for this? They lap times are higher and the speeds are slower in the rain....So, why are they bitching???
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (machmanzx10r @ Jun 21 2008, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why would the track be safe to ride in dry conditions but not wet??? I am still at a loss for this? They lap times are higher and the speeds are slower in the rain....So, why are they bitching???

Hazarding a big guess here but I would expect such issues as circuit drainage and also the possibility that some run-off areas could be identified as dangerous in wet but not dry. As a guide, in the dry there may be areas (ie. a slight kink or straight) that could be considered very safe, yet when wet the slightest indescretion puts you into a wall or other object.

But, my tip would be on drainage issues whereby surface water pools and/or the flow of water across a circuit increases the likelihood of aquaplaning as well as the water bring debris onto the track.

Not facts, just guesses.





Garry
 

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