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Here's a newflash for you Short-Pants... I'm not from India. And I'm not of Indian decent. That of course won't stop you from offering still more half-baked opinions based on the kind of general ignorance and hillbilly bigotry that comprises pretty much everything you post here. And while it's true that in some "third-world" countries some people don't have the ways and means to provide good sanitation - at least the Indians (unlike your kind) have the common sense not to do their al fresco dining on one of these.

It’s even funnier when you imagine Raj from Big Bang Theory say it.
 
Originally Posted by Keshav View Post
Macho posturing is a piss-poor substitute for coherent logic.]

Tell me Ramesh, how is it that all 1billion of your people can find their way on to the internet to bestow upon us their completely irrelevant opinions about everything, but still can’t figure out how to build a half decent toilet?


Have you ever considered that others might consider the crap you post being relevant?
Because I can't see it being relevant to the subject.
 
It’s not a word hole Kesh. It’s an ... hole.

Hell... I know people who are ........ - but are likeable anyhow. It's rare to come across someone so willfully and defiantly ignorant and sociopathically indifferent to the truth. In other words - your run-of-the-mill bopper.
 
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your run-of-the-mill bopper.

I dont know ..... this guy is something diferent:eek:.

He's clearly one of the most brilliant young people ever to live .... he says so himself.
We just arent clever enough to see it ...... he's got me there.

He sees facts nobody else understands. I certainly cant see where he gets his facts from.

I'm quaking in my boots at his every remark. He's giving me my comeupance ....

Have any of the boppers before him ever been like that?

Talps, Dani, vudu ?



Oh wait ...... he could be just any old bopper. :rolleyes:

Lets just hope he doesnt shut down our local tv network like talps was going to. Lololol.
 
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MotoGP?

Marquez: the greatest ever?
Neil Morrison talks about the reigning Champion, who is fast closing in on the all-time greats
Tags MotoGP, 2018, Marc Marquez, Repsol Honda Team

Few athletes that have recently celebrated a 25th birthday can sit back and reflect on as decorated a career as that of Marc Marquez, reigning MotoGP World Champion and the sport’s leading name. Already the sixth most winning rider in history, the ever-smiling Spaniard’s nervy third place at Valencia last November carried him toward a sixth world title – his fourth in the premier class and an unprecedented feat for a rider competing at his age.

As the baby-faced kid from Cervera has matured from wayward, risk-it-all protégée to the measured conqueror of all before him, his gravity-defying feats on the bike have remained a constant across ten incident-packed seasons in Grand Prix racing… as has his ability to leave a trail of broken records in his wake. From his earliest days in MotoGP, Marquez was stripping history’s very best names (Freddie Spencer for youngest MotoGP race winner, then youngest MotoGP Championship winner; Mike Hailwood as the youngest rider to win two premier class titles; Mick Doohan for the most premier class wins over a single season) of titles that seemed destined to remain out of reach for the class of today.

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And Marquez is poised to make yet more history in 2018. Thanks to a settled team, a much-improved engine, and a contract renewal that will see him remain at Repsol Honda until 2020, we have seen little through preseason to suggest a fifth premier class crown is out of reach. A third consecutive title would see him level Doohan’s haul of five while taking him ahead of Geoff Duke, John Surtees, Hailwood and Eddie Lawson. Only Giacomo Agostini (nine) and Valentino Rossi (seven) have amassed more. Not bad for a man only half way through his twenties.

Titles aside, the numbers he has amounted across five years in MotoGP are just as astonishing. Marquez has won 35 times, or 38% of the 90 races he has started. He’s stood on the podium on 63 occasions (70%) and his haul of pole positions stands at a ridiculous 45. In other words, at one in every two races, Marquez has started a race with a clear track ahead. Compare that to Rossi’s win rate in MotoGP, which stands at 29%, while his podium percentage is a weighty 62. Or countrymen Jorge Lorenzo and Dani Pedrosa, who have won 25% and 15% of their premier class races respectively, and whose podium percentages stand at 63 and 56. Racing during an era of depth and talent that gives the class of the late 80’s/early 90’s a run for its money, Marquez’s numbers bear even more weight.

When Marquez met Rossi 12/06/2014

It is tempting to believe the diminutive Spaniard when he states, “I don’t want to think about a number [of titles] or about a name or about the limit,” as he did at Valencia last year. For appreciating his talents is more than analysing the records and the stats. He carries the capacity to not only make the impossible possible, but to ensure the impossible seems like a regular, everyday feat, be it crashing on an out lap in a title decider and still winning (Estoril, 2010) or passing 32 riders in 20 laps without breaking sweat (Valencia in 2012).

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From running and salvaging a pole position lap from a machine failure with two minutes to spare (Austin, 2015), to saving a front end slide at 95mph for 50 metres at 64 degrees of lean (Valencia 2017) these are acts of breath-taking brilliance; moments of supposed impossibility, mustered with the ever-smiling nonchalance that recalls Rossi in his pomp. More than numbers, it’s these feats of physical improbability that set Marquez apart.

Little wonder his rivals can do little else but marvel at his ability. Last year fellow Honda rider Cal Crutchlow said it best: "He's just a freak...in a good way, obviously. Everyone used to talk about aliens. Now there's only one alien, and the rest are normal. What he can do with that bike, nobody else in the world can do." Five wins in 2018 could see him leapfrog Lorenzo as the fifth most winning rider ever. Only Agostini, Rossi, Angel Nieto and Hailwood would lie ahead. Going off recent evidence, you wouldn’t bet against Marquez reeling them all in.
 
Going off recent evidence, you wouldn’t bet against Marquez reeling them all in.

I agree but I don't want to as another great player in a different sport (golf) had the ground cut from under him, when they were talking of him breaking
Jack Nicklaus' record of 18.
 
Of course he is the GOAT, even Marquez and Stoner admitted that and they do NOT like Rossi at all.

He's 39 and a championship contender for 2018, he won races last year at 38. He's the heaviest and tallest rider (big disadvantage) bar 1 other rider who isn't a championship contender ... he's had to live with that height/weight penalty his entire career and still kept winning races and championships. If you haven't met Rossi in person, then I highly recommend you do (pit pass or whatever gets you close to him), you'll see just how tall he is relative to the other riders, it's a drastic difference.

But most importantly, Rossi knows it's a team effort and that's what wins championships, the team, not the rider.

Look at Lorenzo, he'll never win another Championship, not because of lack of talent, but because of lack of being able to work with his team.

Marquez is very successful due how well he works with his team. Dovi is successful because of how well he has worked with his team.

It always will be and always has been a "Team" effort ... Rossi doesn't look for records, he races for the love of it ... he's happiest after a good close race for podium.

I was surprised that Yamaha were as close as they were in Qatar (during winter testing they had pretty bad race pace relatively speaking) and they seem to have found some straight line speed, not as good as Ducati but maybe enough to hang with the Hondas.

With all that said, I don't think Yamaha will win a riders or manufacturers championship this year unless they find something magical ... maybe a race or two here and there, but not enough for a championship. I think 2018 Championship will be Dovi's to lose, he just needs to stay healthy and it's his for the taking as he clearly knows how to manage Marquez who uses the same old desperate moves that are becoming very predictable.

BTW, if you go to MotoGP.com Vali is almost always mentioned 2X more than any other rider ... it should be pretty obvious he IS THE GOAT.

Cheers, Rob.
 
He's mentioned twice as much because they think they will make more money if they do that. That's all.

There is no greatest of all time. The most anyone can attain is 'greatest of their time' and then everyone can argue what 'their time' was.

Was he the greatest of his time? Maybe.

I wasn't paying attention untill 2011.

He certainly wasn't the greatest of that time or since.

I don't care who did what before 'my time'. What's with this worship crap? Too harsh?

I'm a fan of who's impressing me now. Marquez impresses me constantly. Rossi, sometimes.

Asparagus? Never. Lorenzo? Not really. Dovi? Starting to.

I bought a Ducati hat at Indy in 2011. Rossi was one of the fastest then. You wouldn't know it from the timesheets but you could tell trackside. Also he tumbled thru the infield the fastest when he wiped out. Haha

I bought the hat because I thought Ducati was cool. It's in the garage somewhere.
 
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He's mentioned twice as much because they think they will make more money if they do that. That's all.

There is no greatest of all time. The most anyone can attain is 'greatest of their time' and then everyone can argue what 'their time' was.

Was he the greatest of his time? Maybe.

I wasn't paying attention untill 2011.

He certainly wasn't the greatest of that time or since.

I don't care who did what before 'my time'. What's with this worship crap? Too harsh?

I'm a fan of who's impressing me now. Marquez impresses me constantly. Rossi, sometimes.

Asparagus? Never. Lorenzo? Not really. Dovi? Starting to.

I bought a Ducati hat at Indy in 2011. Rossi was one of the fastest then. You wouldn't know it from the timesheets but you could tell trackside. Also he tumbled thru the infield the fastest when he wiped out. Haha

I bought the hat because I thought Ducati was cool. It's in the garage somewhere.


That is a great post Sir :clapping:
 
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He's mentioned twice as much because they think they will make more money if they do that. That's all.

There is no greatest of all time. The most anyone can attain is 'greatest of their time' and then everyone can argue what 'their time' was.

Was he the greatest of his time? Maybe.

I wasn't paying attention untill 2011.

He certainly wasn't the greatest of that time or since.

I don't care who did what before 'my time'. What's with this worship crap? Too harsh?

I'm a fan of who's impressing me now. Marquez impresses me constantly. Rossi, sometimes.

Asparagus? Never. Lorenzo? Not really. Dovi? Starting to.

I bought a Ducati hat at Indy in 2011. Rossi was one of the fastest then. You wouldn't know it from the timesheets but you could tell trackside. Also he tumbled thru the infield the fastest when he wiped out. Haha

I bought the hat because I thought Ducati was cool. It's in the garage somewhere.

He is one of the greats, and the greatest of his time at his peak, which is all anyone can be as you say.

I think the Ducati adventure, pig though the bike was when he was there (hubris and nemesis perhaps), put paid to him being on a tier above the other greats, particularly Hailwood, who apparently could ride anything.
 
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Should have stuck with your original line of argument because this makes even less sense.

So his crime is that he is still competitive, but not as good as he used to be? You would be hard pressed to find any human being in any sport that is capable of that.

There isn’t a single one of his contemporaries who would have been remotely as fast as him at his age, given whatever bike. There are people less than half his age who would never be as fast as he is on his worst day, given any bike.

Every sports person has a peak. Rossi’s peak is behind him and everyone knows that. But even in the tail end of his career, he is still extremely competitive. That happens with special racers. And such racers have a claim to being an all time great.

If that’s not enough, 9 championships across all classes, 2 stroke and 4 stroke premier titles, being one of the main inspirations for almost every rider who came after him and middle fingering max biaggi at 230kmph, wheels on the grass as he recovers from getting elbowed out will do.

Stacey Moaner would have cried in the showers and wrote a poem or something after that.

You mean when Max was right on the inside edge of the track with a wall of bikes outside him?.
 
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You mean when Max was right on the inside edge of the track with a wall of bikes outside him?.

The .... where you watching?



Do you see the elbow now?

Max himself admitted years later that he had done some questionable thing a during the peak of that rivalry (As has Rossi). I guess that’s not good enough for you.
 
Do you get tired of shifting goalposts?

No, I mildly enjoy answering you in kind.

I bought the anti- Biaggi and anti- Gibernau agendas at the time, particularly with Max given his contretemps with Doohan of whom I was a major fan. In retrospect they were early victims of the Rossi cult of personality.
 
No, I mildly enjoy answering you in kind.

I bought the anti- Biaggi and anti- Gibernau agendas at the time, particularly with Max given his contretemps with Doohan of whom I was a major fan. In retrospect they were early victims of the Rossi cult of personality.

I take it as your way of saying “I quoted a days old post in my attempt to sound smart without knowing fuckall about what I was saying, got put in my place and is too proud to admit it”.
 
Hey wait a minute!!

You cant have two Greatests ...

and clearly Casey Stoner is the greatest ...... so this topic is just plain ridiculous!
 
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