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Is the electronic era illegitimate

JohnnyKnockdown

JohnnyKnockdown

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I think just about every fan of motoracing except Povol would agree that todays electronics in GP and other series are ruining the racing

After reading about the glitch in Haydens electronics that spoiled his race, I came to the conclusion that motorcycle racing is essentially dead and has been since right around when the 800's came into being.

They have become such an essential element that the bike has to recognize where it is on the track in order to perform.

This is not racing. The real race is the programmers who are creating the best electronics management.

I think every title won since the advent of electronics controlling the bike is illegitimate. There is no way one can argue that Stoner or any other person in this era is the fastest ever, the best ever, or the next GOAT.
 
cliché guevara said:
only one question : why isn't chris walker a champion of some sort?master ride
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He said it himself after the race. His team had set up the bike sooo sweet that he did not have any problems with his tyres.

After the race he looked at Shakey's and Brooks's and theirs were shot.

Funny conditions and a sweet set up helped him win.

Also it was only his second win in 12years.

Good reliable rider but not the best out there
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Shut up johnnyK. Stoner is GOD. He could ride anything with or without electronics. If people didn't sneak into his garage in 06 and mess with his tyres and setting during the dead of night he would of won that season also (without electronics). That was the reason for the 06 crashes not the lack of rider aids.



Stoner is the GOAT and far better than rossi even though he has not won anywhere near as many world championships or on as many different machines.

If you don't love and worship stoner then you have no ....... business posting on Stonerslide powerslide so .... off back to reality.
 
lil red rocket pilot said:
He said it himself after the race. His team had set up the bike sooo sweet that he did not have any problems with his tyres.

After the race he looked at Shakey's and Brooks's and theirs were shot.

Funny conditions and a sweet set up helped him win.

Also it was only his second win in 12years.

Good reliable rider but not the best out there
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yeah thats what got me so curious, he rode like the second coming of christ and i don't really believe in one-off miracles
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but ok thats quite a good explanation



good to see you finally come to grips with reality rog
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nah on topic, i'm happy that in todays bizarre era of electronics there is still one rider who dials them down and slides that bike and is able to win.if traction control was perfect i guess lorenzo would be unbeatable, nobody is faster on corner entry.good to see that human skill can still be better than computers and i hope we get rid of the computers before they surpass the talent of the best riders!
 
chopperman said:
Shut up johnnyK. Stoner is GOD. He could ride anything with or without electronics. If people didn't sneak into his garage in 06 and mess with his tyres and setting during the dead of night he would of won that season also (without electronics). That was the reason for the 06 crashes not the lack of rider aids.



Stoner is the GOAT and far better than rossi even though he has not won anywhere near as many world championships or on as many different machines.

If you don't love and worship stoner then you have no ....... business posting on Stonerslide powerslide so .... off back to reality.
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cliché guevara said:
yeah thats what got me so curious, he rode like the second coming of christ and i don't really believe in one-off miracles
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but ok thats quite a good explanation



good to see you finally come to grips with reality rog
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nah on topic, i'm happy that in todays bizarre era of electronics there is still one rider who dials them down and slides that bike and is able to win.if traction control was perfect i guess lorenzo would be unbeatable, nobody is faster on corner entry.good to see that human skill can still be better than computers and i hope we get rid of the computers before they surpass the talent of the best riders!
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So far BSB has had 6 races and 6 different winners!

No electronics is the way forward for good solid close racing!

But MotoGP is prototype racing so every aid allowed is used.

Catch 22!?
 
f this whole idea of prototype racing. i happily commit that i'm only intrested in seeing the best riders (as long as the bikes have at least a bit of grunt of course)



i want to see the best riders , that should be the priority. the more electronic aids the harder it is for the spectator to see whos best!

you're right of course, bsb rocks because the riders make the difference and its not only one rider that spins it up almost everywhere.



got to say though, british weather played a part in having 6 different winners so far
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waiting for haga to come good
 
lil red rocket pilot said:
So far BSB has had 6 races and 6 different winners!

No electronics is the way forward for good solid close racing!

But MotoGP is prototype racing so every aid allowed is used.

Catch 22!?
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Is it?? depends on your interpretation of the word Prototype.

Dictionary says "the original or model on which something is based or formed.".

Imo there is not much original in a motogp bike, just some rider aids and Pneumatic valve systems. Not really original as they have been used in other forms of racing before motogp had them. There is not a lot of difference between an M1 and an R1 really. Bith use otto cycle engines with conventional type suspension ect. Dorna's interpretation of prototype is you cant buy exactly the same in a bike shop.



That's face it, motogp is lame as ..... It would not be worth watching if we didn't see our Lord Stoner slide and smoke the rear tyre. He is the ONLY rider to ever achieve this miracle.
 
agreed, whats the last thing to come from gp racing to be relevant for the road?

also agree with the stoner part
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lil red rocket pilot said:
But MotoGP is prototype racing so every aid allowed is used.
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Except more fuel. Or a cylinder bore of greater than 81mm. Or non-Bridgestone tyres. Or red bikes that are fast. Or GPS input for TC. And so on.



The aids we've got are not necessarily the aids we want, and many would argue they're not the ones we need. The same is true of the prohibitions.



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jVoroHx3IU[/media]
 
chopperman said:
Is it?? depends on your interpretation of the word Prototype.

Dictionary says "the original or model on which something is based or formed.".

Imo there is not much original in a motogp bike, just some rider aids and Pneumatic valve systems. Not really original as they have been used in other forms of racing before motogp had them. There is not a lot of difference between an M1 and an R1 really. Bith use otto cycle engines with conventional type suspension ect. Dorna's interpretation of prototype is you cant buy exactly the same in a bike shop.



That's face it, motogp is lame as ..... It would not be worth watching if we didn't see our Lord Stoner slide and smoke the rear tyre. He is the ONLY rider to ever achieve this miracle.
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Welcome back Rog, missed you mate!



Completely agree, and lets get onto Tyres, hardly evolving prototypes here.........hardly evoke innovative designs.........hardly evoke innovative race strategy.......mainly evoke talented high priced programmers and telemetry.



As long as Casey is winning its ok though
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Willski said:
No gizmo's in BSB johnny pantsdown.
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Very true Wilsks. If we are going to judge the riders based on their skill set, it seems to me letting them decide how much throttle is needed would be a direct way of knowing if that rider is proficient and talented in the essential skills of motorcycle racing.



Go Barbera.
 
chopperman said:
Shut up johnnyK. Stoner is GOD. He could ride anything with or without electronics. If people didn't sneak into his garage in 06 and mess with his tyres and setting during the dead of night he would of won that season also (without electronics). That was the reason for the 06 crashes not the lack of rider aids.



Stoner is the GOAT and far better than rossi even though he has not won anywhere near as many world championships or on as many different machines.

If you don't love and worship stoner then you have no ....... business posting on Stonerslide powerslide so .... off back to reality.
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Thats because Stoner is getting over night electronics!!!! Its total ........ man.
 
chopperman said:
Is it?? depends on your interpretation of the word Prototype.

Dictionary says "the original or model on which something is based or formed.".

Imo there is not much original in a motogp bike, just some rider aids and Pneumatic valve systems. Not really original as they have been used in other forms of racing before motogp had them. There is not a lot of difference between an M1 and an R1 really. Bith use otto cycle engines with conventional type suspension ect. Dorna's interpretation of prototype is you cant buy exactly the same in a bike shop.



That's face it, motogp is lame as ..... It would not be worth watching if we didn't see our Lord Stoner slide and smoke the rear tyre. He is the ONLY rider to ever achieve this miracle.
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So we seem to agree that a step or two back is the way forward?
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Mental Anarchist said:
Ahhhh....I love it when a fool identifies them self. You can always identify a fool because they think they speak for everyone.
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Do you see the word "is" in the thread title? Its a small word, but it usually means there is a question involved.
 

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