Indy Official Thread *spoilers*

[Arrabbiata1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 15 2008, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>They often go way off topic in the 125 and sometimes 250 if there isn't too much happeneing, but it's part of the charm. They have an awfull lot of gossip and opinions to report

Unlike the BBC, which is why it'll be so ..... next year - although I believe Jules has secured a post with Dorna's official commentary team (hopefully at the expense of Nick Harris), which should mean he'll be voicing over the qualifying sessions on BBCi. On the subject of which - there was none available for Indy this weekend, and the race wasn't even shown live, because it would have compromised the primetime Sunday evening slot. An unwelcome glimpse of next seasons marginalised coverage I'm afraid. I might follow in the footsteps of that prick Noel Edmonds and refuse to pay my license fee - although being a millionaire does help to pay the fine when you get caught, and you could say with some certainly a knock at the front door of his mansion is fairly inevitable having announced this fact live on BBC breakfast news last Saturday...and they won't even need the detector van. What a .....

 

[mylexicon]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Sep 15 2008, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Unlike the BBC, which is why it'll be so ..... next year - although I believe Jules has secured a post with Dorna's official commentary team (hopefully at the expense of Nick Harris), which should mean he'll be voicing over the qualifying sessions on BBCi. On the subject of which - there was none available for Indy this weekend, and the race wasn't even shown live, because it would have compromised the primetime Sunday evening slot. An unwelcome glimpse of next seasons marginalised coverage I'm afraid. I might follow in the footsteps of that prick Noel Edmonds and refuse to pay my license fee - although being a millionaire does help to pay the fine when you get caught, and you could say with some certainly a knock at the front door of his mansion is fairly inevitable having announced this fact live on BBC breakfast news last Saturday...and they won't even need the detector van. What a .....

I'm glad to hear Jules has been picked up, but they can't get rid of Harris. They need someone with a bit of knowledge trolling the pit lane for news. Jules needs to improve his fitness anyway.

 

[babelfish]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marijke @ Sep 15 2008, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah I hear what you're saying. for me its slightly different. if the racing is good, there is no need to wander off topic. yes back ground info about bike/team/rider history is always interesting to hear, but talking about that while they're battling for top positions is weird. same goes for those shots of pit lane crews. I love to see their reactions, but I dont have any interests in seeing first Burgess, then the Bridgestone dude, and then Uccio react on rossi passing hayden. in that time, almost half the lap goes by.
And in that we totally agree. The camera belong on the track when the race is on even more so in 125 and 250.

 

[Goatboy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Sep 15 2008, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the race wasn't even shown liveIt was live on interactive.

 

[xx CURVE xx]

How windy was it at Indy????

A friend of mine that went took this pic on the way out...the two at the end had been picked up.


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Hey ROCK...whats wrong with Ducati kickstands?

 

[Arrabbiata1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Sep 15 2008, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It was live on interactive.
Which negates your point on the other thread about appealing to and attracting a new 'terrestrial' audience which is the entire raison d'etre behind Dorna dropping Eurosport. Not everyone has the equipment to access interactive, and so next season the 125's 250's and the qualifying will not be available to the much of the 'new' audience that they so naively envisage.

 

[Goatboy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Sep 15 2008, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Which negates your point on the other thread about appealing to and attracting a new 'terrestrial' audience which is the entire raison d'etre behind Dorna dropping Eurosport.Not really, that contract hasn't kicked in yet. Then again by 2012 the whole UK will be digital of course, most of it before that.

 

[chopperman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 15 2008, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How windy was it at Indy????

A friend of mine that went took this pic on the way out...the two at the end had been picked up.


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Hey ROCK...whats wrong with Ducati kickstands?

looks expensive

 

[Mvrck]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Sep 15 2008, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It was live on interactive.

I find it extremely amusing that the BBC believe a repeat of dragons den and top gear (2nd or maybe 3rd time it's been repeated) is more important than a live motogp race

I'm assuming the beebs coverage of the motogp doesn't bring in a big enough audience to warrant a slight shake up of their schedule. So how are they going to secure funding to improve coverage for next year?

I'm hoping for next year they provide coverage without commentary, just SFX like they do for some football matches. I was watching the start of the coverage at 7.45 and just had to laugh when Suzi went to CE immediately. I wonder if his wife gets pissed of at Suzi, she just looks so desperate. Had to turn over after that or I would of ended throwing my remote at the TV. Watching the two fat idiots trying to box on eurosport was less painlful than listening to that dopey bint! Anyone else notice the black fellow taking a dive?

 

[rossiofsky]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 15 2008, 07:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Reporting from Indy: Great Race. Congrats to Rossi for the win. I thought Hayden should have won, but did extremely well considering injury, Honda, and tires. Congrats to Hayden for the outstanding effort on a thankless team. Congrats to all the riders for not crashing in such horrible conditions.

The race weather was dangerous for everyone, racers & spectators. If i could post videos I took from the perspective of the stands and grounds, you would have been amazed they ran the race after the .... hit the fan. Rain was pouring but the most dangers part were the gusts of wind. When I say "gust", I'm talking about a sudden blast of wind sheer over 60mph. .... was flying on the track and could have injured a rider. After the race was called, I literally saw people being blown off their seats falling. That is no ......... For those who might be tempted to say it was called for the home town favorite, take a look at the race footage (actually don't know if they showed it on TV) but there was a moment just before the race was called were Rossi hydroplaned totally sideways; this was caused by a gust of wind combined with the weight of heavy rain coupled with heavy streaming water on the track. Had Rossi gone down in the lead, would anybody have been outraged the race wasn't called? I could here them now. Well the race was called moments after that happened. And it was the right thing to do. We don't know what may have happened. Hell, had Rossi gone down and seriously injuring himself out of the next few races, this could have potentially been a devastating impact on a almost bagged championship. Then we would have been hearing forever how race direction screwed up. I was actually hoping they could run the 7 lap shoot out after some clearing, being that this would have given Hayden another shot at a win (anything can happen). But that was not to be, but they did the right thing. Rossi got a well deserved win.


Thanks for your feedback from live experience!

On TV they showed once One big dangerous moment of Rossi, that he was lucky and saved it.

But that was more than 10 laps before the redflag. While in the end Rossi wasn`t pushing as hard as Niki and Lorenzo and had a 3 seconds distance and was just maintaining the gap.

It`s funny that you dont think they may have redflaged the race for the sake of Niki`s 2nd position, that it was really under treat and pressure by Jorge, but you think that they stopped the race

because they didn`t want anything to happen to Rossi and to bring his championship in danger, even when he has such a big lead??

After race Rossi mentioned his moment , and i think if you watch the race again you will see that his moment was long before they redflaged the race.

Anyway i also believe that they did a good thing to stop the race, and even Casey was happy with it.

 

[mylexicon]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossiofsky @ Sep 15 2008, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It`s funny that you dont think they may have redflaged the race for the sake of Niki`s 2nd position, that it was really under treat and pressure by Jorge, but you think that they stopped the race

People crack me up.

Nevermind the hurricane, they called the race b/c Nicky was about to get passed!

Did Dorna call the race b/c Nicky was about to get passed? NO!

Did Jorge's proximity to Nicky expedite the red flag? Absolutely. This is DORNA we are talking about. If Ezy didn't use all tools available to affect the outcome of the race, I would have been disappointed.

 

[rossiofsky]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 16 2008, 01:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>People crack me up.

Nevermind the hurricane, they called the race b/c Nicky was about to get passed!

Did Dorna call the race b/c Nicky was about to get passed? NO!

Did Jorge's proximity to Nicky expedite the red flag? Absolutely. This is DORNA we are talking about. If Ezy didn't use all tools available to affect the outcome of the race, I would have been disappointed.

Jumkie is a hayden fan.
He rates Rossi as Stoner. ( Not that there is anything wrong with it, but it shows the amount of respect or anti bias ), thats why i mentioned him Hayden/Lorenzo fight.

I actually dont care why they red flaged the race and i believe 90% it was for the wether and it was good that they stoped it.

He mentions that moment of Rossi from 10 laps before redflag and says A Moment Later they red flaged the race. I dont remember which lap it was, but it was long before the redflag.


While he can remember and connect that Rossi`s moment of long before the redflag to the decision, it`s strenge to me that he can`t think or give the same posibility about Lorenzo/hayden battle.


Of cource i think because he has watched the race from there, he hasn`t been able to follow all the race and images as we did on tv.

I dont believe that race was stopped because of Hayden, but I do believe that race wasn`t red flaged to help Rossi. And I still think it was a good decision that they red flaged it.

 

[Mick D]

I believe our friend Jumkie is referring to a moment Rossi had which we were not treated to on television coverage.

 

[Mick D]

Indy MotoGP video available. Release of video cover posted. Jorge had to be the chick!

 

[chopperman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Sep 16 2008, 08:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Indy MotoGP video available. Release of video cover posted. Jorge had to be the chick!

excellent

 

[rgvneil]

It was good to see Nicky at the front again.

 

[Jumkie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossiofsky @ Sep 15 2008, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thanks for your feedback from live experience!

It`s funny that you dont think they may have redflaged the race for the sake of Niki`s 2nd position, that it was really under treat and pressure by Jorge, but you think that they stopped the race

because they didn`t want anything to happen to Rossi and to bring his championship in danger, even when he has such a big lead??

You're welcome.

I see you quoted my post but not sure if you read it carefully. Please highlight the part where I said the race was stopped BECAUSE OF/FOR THE SAKE OF Rossi. Here, I'll quote myself below:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>For those who might be tempted to say it was called for the home town favorite, take a look at the race footage (actually don't know if they showed it on TV) but there was a moment just before the race was called were Rossi hydroplaned totally sideways; this was caused by a gust of wind combined with the weight of heavy rain coupled with heavy streaming water on the track. Had Rossi gone down in the lead, would anybody have been outraged the race wasn't called? I could here them now. Well the race was called moments after that happened. And it was the right thing to do. We don't know what may have happened.

What I'm saying here is a response to those few saying the race was stopped in Hayden's favor, that the very same thing could be implied in Rossi's favor. BTW, it wasn't just Rossi dealing with the dangerous condition and effecting his riding, other midpackers, who's health is just a worthy to maintain were getting bent by the winds.

The moment you are probably talking about was another incident, it was caused by Rossi coming in contact with the paint (I think this is the one your are referring to). Not sure what lap that was, but it wasn't lap 10, I'm fairly certain of that off of memory, but I'll check.

I said "hydroplaned", that means he hit accumulating water.

Anyway, do you understand the point I was making now? In other words, (for the third time hoping you understand the watered down explanation) <if> one is gonna believe that the race was stopped for the sake of Hayden, then by that same logic, one must accept that this could have been as well done for Rossi. Perhaps it just the Hayden haters suggesting this, but then again, Lorenzo has had two major injuries, I'm sure passing Hayden in those conditions would have not been easy and the risk would have been something to consider. But like I said in my original post, we don't know what would have happened. So if you gonna have people speculate about one, then it follow we can speculate about the other...which is the reason you took issue with my post. Now seeing that you are a Rossi fan, I doubt you would accept the ladder, so it follows then (again logic) that neither or both were either red flagged because of weather or preservation of positions exclusively. Again, I believe it was weather causing the dangerous conditions that led to the red flag. And you could have also gathered from my last sentence in my post: "Rossi got a well deserved win." of what I think about the race.

And if you or another person are tempted to think it was for the preservation of position, we don't know what the reaction of either Hayden or Lorenzo would have been for the next few laps, keep in mind Rossi struggled for a few laps to pass Dovi and then Hayden. Changing conditions were a factor. As a matter of fact, if you watch the race again, you will see that after Rossi had gapped Hayden, on one lap near the end Hayden made up some time. So as you can see, conditions and lap times were changing as did the extreme weather conditions.

Now you get my perspective?

 

[ROCKGOD01]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Sep 16 2008, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It was good to see Nicky at the front again.
Yeah and on Michelins!!!! LOL poor old Pedro!

 

[Goatboy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Red R6 07 @ Sep 15 2008, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I find it extremely amusing that the BBC believe a repeat of dragons den and top gear (2nd or maybe 3rd time it's been repeated) is more important than a live motogp race

I'm assuming the beebs coverage of the motogp doesn't bring in a big enough audience to warrant a slight shake up of their schedule. So how are they going to secure funding to improve coverage for next year?Actually it was Charlie Boorman's By Any Means that was on at the time. Doubly ironic because I know damn well Charlie was watching Indy.

It's indicative of how people just want to take a shot at the beeb I guess

 

[Jumkie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 16 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah and on Michelins!!!! LOL poor old Pedro!
I'm pretty sure I over heard Peders pleading with Dorna to make another extraordinary exception and let him use Michelins when it suits him and Bridestones when it suits him. Quick, somebody remind me, is Motegi a Bstones or Michshitlin track. I await the press release to see what Dani will be riding.