I heard this weird thing about Vinales

JPSLotus said:

Miller is overrated IMO.

The talk about him is endless, yes he has the win in the rain at Assen, and the pole in Argentina where he took a massive gamble to get that pole. He couldn't convert into a win. Doesn't mean he isn't talented but he has no business on the factory Ducati. Petrucci whom I dislike for various reasons is a far better fit on that bike.

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So why is Petrucci a better fit?

Yes I am biased but to me Miller has shown thus far in 2018 in his first year on the bike that he has enough over Petrucci to as a minimum be his equal which being the younger is a more attractive aspect for the factory.

Miller is no championship threat now or I suspect into the future but nor is Petrucci with both being quite close in the points with Miller on the 2017 and Petrucci on the 2018).

Yes Petrucci smiles a lot and has that funny little lilt in the accent but for mine he is as undeserving of a factory ride is Miller if one is to use career to date.

Sure Petrucci had a good 2017 with the inclememt weather podiums but one good season does not a rider make .

Holypuck said:

Maaaaan why do you dislike Danilo? He's such an awesome guy I can promise you that.

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Probably for his blatantly made himself as wide as possible in Valencia 2015 for Rossi to go past him because Rossi was “fighting “ for a championship [emoji16]

Keshav said:

We've had such a long string of champions that we can afford to be generous about letting lesser countries win a few.

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Shame they didn't apply that to golf ie Brookline in 1999 However that issue was dealt with by quite a few US players after the match when they realised.

I've met Petrucci outside the guard of the paddock, he's a cool dude, likeable, nice, etc.; but it really bothered me that he so blatantly made a mockery of the Valencia race by moving out of Rossi's way in such spectacular fashion. I feel like if a person is willing to do that so publicly, what other things is he willing to do to bend principles. Perhaps it's a bit harsh to judge him for that singular moment, maybe not, who knows. But that left an impression on me. I don't rate Miller better or worse than Petrucci in terms of potential. I think either one will do fine. But the last time they dangled a carrot (Redding vs Petrux) it really mobilized Petrucci who came up on top. With his front row start tomorrow it's obvious that he has extra motivation, Miller should be aware of it and respond. Personally, I'd give the nod to Miller, but if they go with Petrucci I'm ok with it too. Neither of them will do worse than Jorge, plus they'll cost a hell of a lot less. Not to mention Lorenzo has become a hostile employee.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

Aw Mang said:

Probably for his blatantly made himself as wide as possible in Valencia 2015 for Rossi to go past him because Rossi was “fighting “ for a championship [emoji16]

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Bingo.

Disgusting behavior.

Gaz said:

So why is Petrucci a better fit?

Yes I am biased but to me Miller has shown thus far in 2018 in his first year on the bike that he has enough over Petrucci to as a minimum be his equal which being the younger is a more attractive aspect for the factory.

Miller is no championship threat now or I suspect into the future but nor is Petrucci with both being quite close in the points with Miller on the 2017 and Petrucci on the 2018).

Yes Petrucci smiles a lot and has that funny little lilt in the accent but for mine he is as undeserving of a factory ride is Miller if one is to use career to date.

Sure Petrucci had a good 2017 with the inclememt weather podiums but one good season does not a rider make .

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For the record I don't even like Petrucci but Miller gets far too much hype for no good reason. He's on the Chris Vermeulen tier of Aussie riders and Vermeulen was a better rider anyhow. What was bad was Miller being unable to convert a pole position into a podium at minimum.

JPSLotus said:

I hold Doohan and Stoner in the highest regard.

Miller is neither of the two nor has he shown any flash of brilliance that would make you go, "Aha, this kid could be the next great Australian rider." He's not it. Doesn't mean he can't be a good rider, but you can clearly see he has a ceiling that is being hit and his success has been luck based with regards to the Assen win and the Argentina pole that he couldn't convert into a podium finish. Marquez chose to settle for second in Assen rather than risk chasing him down for a win.

He might be amusing to listen to and does get points for calling Hodgson a ...... on camera, but we would have seen the brilliance by now if he was going to be the next great Australian. By his third season Mick Doohan had multiple wins and only got stronger from there before his crash. But once he was fully recovered by 1994, he absolutely demolished the 500cc World Championship till 1999.

Stoner's resume speaks for itself. As soon as he got off the LCR, the wins started racking up in spite of riding the most difficult 4 stroke bikes ever built.

Just say Miller gets promoted to the factory Ducati team if Lorenzo leaves. He is going to have his hands full with Dovi and he isn't going to win that battle. Not a fan of Petrucci as already mentioned, but he is a better fit for that seat than Miller is.

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Agreed. Miller doesn't have it.

Theo said:

Shame they didn't apply that to golf ie Brookline in 1999 However that issue was dealt with by quite a few US players after the match when they realised.

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Golf? Is that a sport now?

Keshav said:

Golf? Is that a sport now?

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I played golf for a long time, it's very much a sport. Making this kind of comment is ignorant.

One of the most mentally grueling sports I've ever played. There is a lot of physicality required to play professionally and unless you've played it's hard to appreciate how good those guys are and what they can do to a golf ball.

JPSLotus said:

For the record I don't even like Petrucci but Miller gets far too much hype for no good reason. He's on the Chris Vermeulen tier of Aussie riders and Vermeulen was a better rider anyhow. What was bad was Miller being unable to convert a pole position into a podium at minimum.

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I agree on the Vermuelen side .......... guy cost me some money and beers due to a lost bet but if failure to convert a pole to a podium is a measure ......... ...., there are a lot of over hyped people out there.

RCV600RR said:

Agreed. Miller doesn't have it.

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Not world champion - nope, but then very very few riders do.

Good enough to be there - at the moment - that is a personal opinion but for mine he is more deserving that many and less deserving than some .........

Keshav said:

Golf? Is that a sport now?

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You would be surprised how much training goes into a professional golfer, both physical gym strengthening type of training, muscle repetition training and mentally.

Golf is as much as sport as any

Gaz said:

Not world champion - nope, but then very very few riders do.

Good enough to be there - at the moment - that is a personal opinion but for mine he is more deserving that many and less deserving than some .........





You would be surprised how much training goes into a professional golfer, both physical gym strengthening type of training, muscle repetition training and mentally.

Golf is as much as sport as any

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Funny thing on Miller is that I cant say I am a huge fan. However, if I was Ducati there arent many I would hire over him .... matter of fact none come to mind atm.

Dovi and Miller would be a good team too.



On the golf ... it horses for courses. Not a golf fan here. Would rather have a tooth pulled than watch it. And when I play it I always start great but by say the 3rd hole Im over it and start dreaming about riding a CR500 around the course. Lol.

BarryMachine said:

Funny thing on Miller is that I cant say I am a huge fan. However, if I was Ducati there arent many I would hire over him .... matter of fact none come to mind atm.

Dovi and Miller would be a good team too.

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Few available riders .......... but even then one could ask the question that after being stung twice with big dollar spends that have produced nothing, would Ducati even pursue a highly expensive rider?

No doubt Dovi is getting expensive now but they would have gotten him at a bargain to start and the combination of the two has increased his value -- as a business you can cope with that.

BarryMachine said:

On the golf ... it horses for courses. Not a golf fan here. Would rather have a tooth pulled than watch it. And when I play it I always start great but by say the 3rd hole Im over it and start dreaming about riding a CR500 around the course. Lol.

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Used to be able to play (had a handicap of 5) but then my eyesight gave up (should have listened to mum all those years back) and I simply got bored with it.

That said ........... a tv sport it aint lol

Gaz said:

I agree on the Vermuelen side .......... guy cost me some money and beers due to a lost bet but if failure to convert a pole to a podium is a measure ......... ...., there are a lot of over hyped people out there.

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There are a lot of overhyped people out there.

Look at Cuntslow 2 weeks ago in Jerez.

JPSLotus said:

There are a lot of overhyped people out there.

Look at Cuntslow 2 weeks ago in Jerez.

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Give him a carbon swingarm and watch the results







Of how carbon splinters and what forces are needed to snap it






But I have to admit to having a perverse like of Crutchlow ............. infuriating, loud mouthed, publicity seeking ........... but for mine he is always worth the watch

Gaz said:

Give him a carbon swingarm and watch the results







Of how carbon splinters and what forces are needed to snap it






But I have to admit to having a perverse like of Crutchlow ............. infuriating, loud mouthed, publicity seeking ........... but for mine he is always worth the watch

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He got plenty of grip before that highside...he doesn't need a carbon fiber swingarm. :giggle:

JPSLotus said:

He got plenty of grip before that highside...he doesn't need a carbon fiber swingarm. :giggle:

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Makes no difference if peeps think Miller is overrated or not, the people that matter ie Ducati rate him and he is almost garanteed a factory bike regardless.

Most likely Petrucci moves up and his pulling aside for Rossi helps because it means he might understand map 8. Out of interest those condemning Petrucci wouldn’t be employing a double standard on Lorenzo? Personally I think JLo did the right thing, because it was real. Much as I like Dovi, can’t pass you’re teammate then simply not world champ.

Millers ‘lucky’ pole. Now that’s a good one from the armchair as it gets. Let’s review: Miller, Crashslow and Marquez fit slicks in dicey conditions. Cal gives up, Marquez, the man who sets the standard, pulls in as well. The lesser talented second tier Miller stays out there, initially 5 seconds or more off the pace, slowly builds heat into tires somehow without crashing, then has the talent to put in an astounding lap. It’s as rare as hens teeth seeing Marquez out ridden and peeps say yawn, move along nothing to see here?

Standing track side watching Miller lead the Australian Grand Prix at Phillip Island, knowing the history of the place with Gardner, Doohan and Stoner you might have to forgive me for cheering on Miller. I rate the guy, he has shown flashes he now needs to bring the consistency. If nothing else if he can provide the occasional competition to Marquez dominance of the sport it will be a good thing. The current yardstick is likely the goat, with Yamaha and Lorenzo busy screwing themselves up, and Zarco off to a second tier ride ANY competition for Marquez will be welcome in my book.