HRC told to cut 30% of its budget

Jumkie said:

Yes Biggy, I've honestly now realized this, hence, no substantive reply from me.

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Good. I know that you are referring to Rossi but I cannot place the context. Feel free to ignore all my posts, I'm ok with it.

Jumkie said:

He simply couldn't get away with it, unlike others who threaten to leave the series...oh wait, I'm just hating, unlike you. (Oh I know, you can't make the connection, sorry, I'll just read it at face value that Honda just want to save money, no need for me to analyze it, right?)

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Ah, OK - you think I meant that Dovi made MY ....-list? You are mistaken.

Biggy, feel free to read my post slowly, and multiple times, they may make more sense once you've read them a few times and then google for answers.



Oh, sorry, I can't ignore your posts, they provide too much fun. And I'm a fun loving kind of guy.

chopperman said:

Thats the third Hrc bike gone then. Poor Dovi i reckon.

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That's a third of there budget! 1/3 Perdosa --- 2/3 Stoner ---3/3 bye bye Dovi

It's a real shame but that's the way I reckon it will go

Bigguy

Simoncelli would have received the third if there was one (there was talk of 4 at one point, that is apparently history). It sounds like Marco may actually have his salary paid by HRC, which I did not expect, Dovi made the ....-list (in my opinion) when he waived his contract and threatened litigation to remain at Repsol - I'm not surprised to see him the odd man out despite a decent season.



Jumkie

He simply couldn't get away with it, unlike others who threaten to leave the series...oh wait, I'm just hating, unlike you. (Oh I know, you can't make the connection, sorry, I'll just read it at face value that Honda just want to save money, no need for me to analyze it, right?)



I assume that you are referring to Rossi threatening to leave, but I cannot fathom what it has to do with the conversation. Dovi waved his contract and received an HRC ride on a Repsol bike as required. Rossi threatened to leave the series unless he received Bridgestones. Both got their way. Please explain your point - that Rossi stayed with the Yamaha factory effort? If that is colossal deep thinking I failed to arrive at, you are correct. I applaud you - very deep. My point was that Dovi pissed off HRC. I'm pretty sure that HRC does not run the Yamaha factory effort or the Bridgestone tire company, so the correlation is lost on me I'm afraid. Rossi had larger bargaining tools than Dovi has this year, and I don't think Yamaha was pissed off at giving Rossi competitive tires. I do believe that HRC was pissed off having Dovi force them to run a 3 rider factory team.



I'm getting a little tired of having to divine stupid little points out of your posts that you seem to think involve deep thought - they are so shallow that I look overlook them. How about just making your point instead of pretending the deep thought thing, especially if there is no correlation between your post and the topic at hand? There's a good fellow!

Stoner and Pedrosa gone p45's

More bikes on the grid

Bigguy- Not to be an ....... here but I think you are using the term waive backwards:





waive



verb (used with object), waived, waiv·ing.

1.

to refrain from claiming or insisting on; give up; forgo: to waive one's right; to waive one's rank; to waive honors.

2.

Law . to relinquish (a known right, interest, etc.) intentionally.



Dovi is refusing to waive his contract.



Jumkie- MotoGP is only Rossicentric if you want it to be....

bonnielass said:

That's a third of there budget! 1/3 Perdosa --- 2/3 Stoner ---3/3 bye bye Dovi

It's a real shame but that's the way I reckon it will go

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not really, with dovi gone thats about 1/3rd of the race day budget saved, but the real cost is spent in the factories in japan developing the bike, and conisdering its going to be 1000cc the budget required may be more than what was in 2011.

HRC budget:

Due to his size & races missed Danni accounts for 20%

Casey would account for 50%



Simple math tells you that Dovi accounts for 30%. The part that will be cut.

GeePee, Dani would be 50% due to the repair bills.

Jumkie said:

I think Dovi said it best, nobody likes "boring" people. "Boring" as in well grounded, mannered, business like professionalism, and characteristics along those line. Let me get this straight, he threatens his employer to abide by the contract they agreed to, and this has made him the bad guy? On a related note, imagine if say HRC said, look, we just can't employ another factory guy next year and Dovi threatened to leave the series, do you think any phones might be ringing at Dorna in crisis mode? How many times has he made the podium this year in the middle of other "aliens"? But more talk surrounds Simo, who has one podium...behind Dovi to boot. I guess the lesson for me is, not all Italians are made equal.

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I think it's a perfectly reasonable outcome to be honest. If you're HRC and can only afford 2 full factory Repsol rides, Pedrosa & Stoner stand head and shoulders above any other Honda candidate. Only these two have so far proven capable of dominating the field on their good days, and capable of contending for regular victories. Dovi, I'm afraid (coz he seems like a nice enough guy) is well into his 3rd season on a full factory Repsol honda (one of the prized seats) and has only 1 victory to his name in a race that was rain affected.



Unfortunately a solid, consistent performer is not going to hang onto such a prized seat indefinitely. There's a saying, 'use it or lose it', and I think that's appropriate here.



In regards to your comment about not all Italians being equal, I think it could be understandable that Simo is valued slightly higher at this point in time, but this would be due to his apparent potential, if he can curb his erraticness, rather than his current results (ie, race finishes & championship points to date). He has shown much more pure speed than Dovi in practice/quali, and teams would be still hoping to tame this speed to turn it into results. So I can see why he would be rated in front of Dovi.



Having said that though, I think Simo doesn't have unlimited time to turn things around, as he is well and truly on his way to not converting his golden opportunities into results, like Dovi before him. Simo probably has bought himself another year of favour with his quali performances, but I think much beyond that will hinge on him demonstrating a turn around in his race day performances.

GeePee said:

HRC budget:

Due to his size & races missed Danni accounts for 20%

Casey would account for 50%



Simple math tells you that Dovi accounts for 30%. The part that will be cut.

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I suspect there is a bit of tonge and cheek in your figures but the percentage will be spread a lot further than just the 3 riders. I wonder how much will be cut from HRC R&D. This could be an indication of where the series is going in future seasons. If HRC are cutting back then i expect the others to follow. There may not be such a difference with motogp and CRT bikes after all. Before we all start thinking this is good news for Ducati, personally i would think they will also be looking at cut backs. Money is tight everywhere, the lack of sponsors shows this. It shows when money is tight racing is out.

akeizm said:

GeePee, Dani would be 50% due to the repair bills.

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akeizm you're forgetting that Super Sic had to pay for most of them

chopperman said:

I suspect there is a bit of tonge and cheek in your figures but the percentage will be spread a lot further than just the 3 riders. I wonder how much will be cut from HRC R&D. This could be an indication of where the series is going in future seasons. If HRC are cutting back then i expect the others to follow. There may not be such a difference with motogp and CRT bikes after all. Before we all start thinking this is good news for Ducati, personally i would think they will also be looking at cut backs. Money is tight everywhere, the lack of sponsors shows this. It shows when money is tight racing is out.

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Good point. Sober thinking. What's wrong?