How to make Yamaha great again.

Gotta start at the top on this one.

Weak management caused their problems.

Start swinging the axe there.

There are online petition sites, like this one: https://www.ipetitions.com/

Why don't you write up a petition to Yamaha management, telling we will not buy their bikes as as long they keep this fraud on their payroll. I will sign at once. Even with a few hundred signatures it will catch their attention and at least make them think, maybe this is not a winning card they are playing.

Segfault said:

There are online petition sites, like this one: https://www.ipetitions.com/

Why don't you write up a petition to Yamaha management, telling we will not buy their bikes as as long they keep this fraud on their payroll. I will sign at once. Even with a few hundred signatures it will catch their attention and at least make them think, maybe this is not a winning card they are playing.

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Probably not a good idea to actually copy what Rossi fans have done.

I'm going to do my bit by selling my R1and getting a fireblade,it'll make me feel good anyway however small a gesture it is in the grand scheme of things.Yamaha know Rossi is the most popular rider in the world so they will continue kow towing to him,i would love to see that .... Uccio get a ban from the pit garage though just so i don't have to keep looking at the wankers face,he is making Yamaha look stupid in my opinion,a ....... glorified i pad holder turning the world champion away like he's the main man,they can't let him get away with acting like that and have any credibility if you ask me,ban the .... now!

I'd be perfectly fine if Yamaha would never become great again, honestly :devil:

It wouldn't be a bad idea to have a satellite team with Jorge running last years bike and develop it from there.
The factory team seem to have lost their way and I get the feeling that 'development for development's sake' has fogged the picture, whereas they should've said, 'if it ain't broke then don't try and fix it,' early last year.

I don't want to turn this into a Vale rant and this is just pure supposition on my behalf, but is it possible that Mav's dominance early on in the season may have led to Vale calling for a different course of development?

If you really want to see Vale win another title then use that ipetition website to lobby for the re-introduction of 'overnight special' tyres for him.

Holypuck said:

I'd be perfectly fine if Yamaha would never become great again, honestly :devil:

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Maybe Yamaha need to fire the head engineer and hire Preziosi as his replacement to appease “the one”. Chief mechanic might have to go with him. Hi Jeremy. Actually, ths time we might have to throw the whole team under the bus............. or just blame it all on Marquez.........

Ok so in ONE race in mixed conditions Zarco finishes ahead on the old chassis. When 6 races have passed and he's the third Yamaha will you start another thread?

danski said:

Ok so in ONE race in mixed conditions Zarco finishes ahead on the old chassis. When 6 races have passed and he's the third Yamaha will you start another thread?

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You're right, it still pretty early in the season but Zarco was either on beating the two factory yamahas or fighting them for podiums at the end of last year. That's WITHOUT(ask LCR what a difference it makes)full factory support, if not for a tyre failure Zarco may have beaten both factory Yamahas across the line in Qatar as well. He has beaten 1 or both factory Yamahas in like 4 out of the last 6 races. That is cause for concern for Yamaha as a factory.

michaelm said:

Probably not a good idea to actually copy what Rossi fans have done.

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I fail to understand this statement. Did Rossi fans demand his retirement?

Possible consequences of such a petition.
Yamaha will realize their "hero" may be attracting some buyers, but same time he is alienating others. 1 - 1 = 0. They are paying money for nothing.
Then they may get rid of him.
New talent can step up.
We get rid of a manipulative jerk.

I'd write this petition myself, but unlike William Shakespeare who had 230,000 words in his vocabulary I do not. English is fifth language for me. A native English speaker could do much better job, methinks.

Segfault said:

I fail to understand this statement. Did Rossi fans demand his retirement?

Possible consequences of such a petition.
Yamaha will realize their "hero" may be attracting some buyers, but same time he is alienating others. 1 - 1 = 0. They are paying money for nothing.
Then they may get rid of him.
New talent can step up.
We get rid of a manipulative jerk.

I'd write this petition myself, but unlike William Shakespeare who had 230,000 words in his vocabulary I do not. English is fifth language for me. A native English speaker could do much better job, methinks.

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I think your sentiment is fine, and your English is fine as well.

My problem is with having been of the belief the pro-Rossi petition post Sepang 2015 was rather lame, so I don't really feel I can support a different one in regard to a sporting matter just because it is more along the lines of my personal opinion.

BarryMachine said:

Agree on the petition thing. Its like the Westminster system of law ..... keep the masses happy ..... not what is fact. Its like lynching. Id prefer everybody to have, and understand, the facts.

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The other issue is that petitions etc make things into a popularity contest, and Rossi wins hands down in a popularity contest, rather the problem for those of us with a dissenting view.

There is a long history of the popular view being incorrect however, and people having fixed views impervious to argument is repeatedly demonstrated by our visiting Rossi fans. There does seem to be some semblance of a counter narrative out there now though, even on places like Crashnet.

And yes Synn, I realise you would see my view as similarly fixed, but I at least realise my opinion is just that, and am prepared to present arguments in defense of my position.

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Hi Jeremy. .

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I don’t think the Yamaha is ...., though I do agree Rossi's influence has developed in the wrong direction. I don't subscribe to the narrative thats it's in shambles, frankly I think the machine is far better than its given credit, I suspect it's an overarching team dynamic with personnel, Rossi and his entourage, sucking out the oxygen that is impeding the project. In terms of technical parity, I rate the factory Yamaha as the 2nd best package on the grid right now, full stop. I'd argue the real problem is 'dissonance' related to power politics in the racing organization (ironically for the fork tuning brand there is a lack of harmony). Consider that they have an excellent rider in Zarco; but if not capriciously, certainly perniciously the situation is self-defeating not to support him with a factory bike. Particularly now that their results are inconsistent. Tech3 is gone, and as you heard Hervey say of his move to KTM, factory support was the reason he moved on, that my friend is all the indictment you need to know about Yamaha's support for its satellite outfit.

In terms of technical development, the good thing is Viñalez has buffered the free fall, given his input at Suzuki was praised by Davide. There is, we can say with certainty, a power struggle in terms of technical direction. How did Rossi smugly put it? Oh yeah, Viñalez doesn't know how the Yamaha is supposed to be. .... me, and this guy demands absolutely respect? How's that for a condescending backhand to a factory rider in his own right. I know the GP universe revolves around Rossi, and it may seem a bit redundant to say this situation is related to his influence, but let's point out a few dots and see if we can't connect them: Rossi is at Yamaha because of his massive influence (thanks Carmelo Clause) being a factory rider with Yamaha solved a pocketbook issue, NOT because realistically we're talking about him challenging Honda, their main rival whist Marquez is contracted, Viñalez posted a viable threat to start last year, that threat has been all but neutralized (let's imagine a world where Rossi was bested by his teammate all year, not exactly the way you want it to look around contract time when your TV rights deals depend on it, thanks Michelin, Carmelo Clause thanks you, Zarco has annoyed Rossi, particularly because he doesn't show Rossi the respect we're all supposed to show him, is this not the ultimate underlying issue with his disgust against Marquez? Dots, now connect. Rossi is ruthless, and it's not outside the real possibility of him sabotaging (by impossible expectations) the project by his unbending demand that everyone at Yamaha is his subject.

But I'm going to use your post to interject a dig if you don't mind. And here it goes: if Rossi really did need the M1 to be fixed...he could easily find someone to do it in 80 secs.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

**opens new thread **
**sees that virgin mouth breather convention #38363 is undeway**
**goes somewhere else**

Jumkie said:

But I'm going to use your post to interject a dig if you don't mind. And here it goes: if Rossi really did need the M1 to be fixed...he could easily find someone to do it in 80 secs.

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I believe that JB has changed his mobile number.

Apparently he was getting nuisance calls that sounded like people sobbing so he had the number changed

synn said:

**opens new thread **
**sees that virgin mouth breather convention #38363 is undeway**
**goes somewhere else**

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Genuine question, Synn and I am not trying to illicit a reaction, but what do you think Yamaha should do?
Clearly the bike was working a treat for Mav' early last year and the same 'early setup' works for Zarco so why not return to that as a base for the factory boys?