Conveniently ignored the refereeing errors that led to one of their tries as well, which would leave it at 3 tries to one, and if in error allowing the manly try was less egregious than the inglis try to which you refer.
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Conveniently ignored the refereeing errors that led to one of their tries as well, which would leave it at 3 tries to one, and if in error allowing the manly try was less egregious than the inglis try to which you refer.
The errors were terrible. Really made the refs look like children. They are making a lot of errors these days and worryingly, in the important games. As long as they have a good week next week when the Dogs play.
Can't see manly getting through Melbourne down there without a bit more ref assistance.
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Not interested in debating this with you, Especially on a Honda engine thread. I'm not a Rossi hater but the fact remains that there was far more hype surrounding Rossi and JB's move to Ducati with high hopes of them making it a competitive bike for anyone to ride. They moved heaven and earth to try and make the bike suit him and he's just thrown his toys out of the pram whereas melandri was sent to a shrink.
Finally, Rossi is being paid over $10mil a year... If you think melandri, stoner and hayden got that then you are deluded.
I measured the Honda at about 72 deg too
Hard to know. Both teams are crucially dependent on 3 players being fit and playing well, with the three Melbourne players obvious to all, and lyon and the stewart brothers the three for Manly imo, with lyon the most crucial as the Canterbury game demonstrated.
Manly were well off their game against the dogs. The niggle got to them. We didn't play that well in the first half either, better in the second. One thing you may have missed, the only time manly scored points in that game was when Ennis went off the field injured before half time and they were reshuffling. Second half the scoreline could have been a lot worse as we had a few disallowed.
Love the hacker/manly rivalry though.
On melbourne/manly, I think manly have the edge on Melbourne in sydney ever since they thrashed them in the gf in 2008 I think.
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Thanks Mike. I like your debating style, not so good at it myself. I try to invoke a response from people rather than throw stones but can get a little carried away with it at times like everyone I suppose. In actual fact in my younger days i suffered quite badly from an everyone is out to get me, chip on my shoulder type of paranoia which took some time to recognize and get under some semblance of control. I see some of this in Stoner but he is under far more pressure than I and in fact in my opinion he handles himself well enough. I really enjoy engaging in backyard pschology and would like to do it professionally if i only i could get over my generalized fear of people!!!! Which is why posting on the internet appeals to me. Having said that i would enjoy meeting people like yourself, Kesh and also i must say Chopper because i feel I know you guys. I would even enjoy sitting between kesh and chopps during a 'discussion' because it sure would be entertaining!
Yes the test of the current Rossi criticism is to apply it to Stoner. Would i expect Stoner to risk life and limb on a bike that cant possibly win? Hell no!! Therefore criticism of Rossi is unfair, especially from the comfort of my lounge chair.
Part of the problem for manly is that toovey is trying to beat hasler at his own game, and I think hasler is smarter, football wise anyway. If Lyon is on field he is smart enough in his own right.
I was at the only grand final where a performance approached that of Manly in 2008, the white boots game in the 70s (in high school at the time), and even allowing for my bias I think Manly were more dominant than Easts were then, and certainly better than they were in the 2011 grand final, with a pre-knee injury brett stewart and steve menzies a major part of the superiority.
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I'm glad Rossi went to Ducati because his insistence on 'riding for seventh' most races and eventual departure has forced the issue where no other rider could have been capable of doing so. If you are of the opinion that Stoner wasn't risking life and limb during his tenure at Ducati then you are completely deluding yourself. I also guarantee that if he had remained on the Desmo the lack of progress at the factory would have been levelled at him as a poor rider and a supposed lack of developmental skills whereas Valentino has exposed the malaise behind the doors at Bologna.
Valentino 'risking life and limb on a bike that can't win'...my heart bleeds for him. No one held a gun to his head when he arrogantly and vastly underestimated and miscalculated the situation, took the money and made the move due to his own conceit vanity and a sense of his own invincibility and infallibility. As I've said before, cue an ironic ripple of laughter from the regulars at the back of the grid. Mention that to the previous incumbents of the Desmosedici or the original riders of the M1. Mention that to any privateer or anyone who defiantly battled on an in line 4 in World Supers between 94 and 03. Mention that to McWilliams, Van DerGoorbergh or Aoki. Mention that to Nicky Hayden - I'm sure even the most modest and diplomatic rider in the paddock would afford himself a wry smile.
This is the first time in his GP career that Rossi has ridden inferior machinery - and he and his precious fans don't like it.
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I have little sympathy for Rossi and I struggle not to rub it in ever since that fine sunny Valencia day he first rode the big bad Duc. But what i mean is if it were Stoner struggling to finish 7th, and saying thats as much as he wanted to risk I would defend his right to since its his life. I've always had a lot of admiration for the so called 'grid fillers' chasing their dream and putting it all on the line with no possibility of winning. If they can find the motivation its hard to listen to someone who has so many wins complain he feels 'sad' because he cant.
Phone auto correct got me, hasler/manly rivalry not hacker.
Good to see you are a manly fan. There will be plenty in the GF if both the fogs and manly get there.
My judgement on a riders commitment comes from what Rossi has said,and results.I have never ridden a Moto GP bike.No,ofcourse not.I can only form my opinion from what I read and see on TV.
I'm not saying Rossi/Burgess hasn't tried at all ofcourse,but comparing results vs. complaints to Stoner riding the Ducati 2 years ago,not 6,I have a hard time putting 100% of the blame on Ducati.That's all.
I'm sorry I'm really off topic with these posts.
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yup.
72 or 75 degrees seems to be the consensus
but heres the most interesting thing : if you rotate that engine a bit in your mind it looks like a L !
but yeah, its not 90° it seems at least i haven't seen pictures of the engine that would suggest that and it sounds quite different to the 90° duc when it was in screamer configuration
72 or 75 degrees seems to be the consensus
but heres the most interesting thing : if you rotate that engine a bit in your mind it looks like a L !
but yeah, its not 90° it seems at least i haven't seen pictures of the engine that would suggest that and it sounds quite different to the 90° duc when it was in screamer configuration
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yup.
72 or 75 degrees seems to be the consensus
but heres the most interesting thing : if you rotate that engine a bit in your mind it looks like a L !
but yeah, its not 90° it seems at least i haven't seen pictures of the engine that would suggest that and it sounds quite different to the 90° duc when it was in screamer configuration
And in there lies the real problem with the Duc. Honda have placed their V so that the effect of the VSG ( albeit much more reduced than a 90 deg V/L ) is centred around a perceived CoG. in a corner.
Manly were well off their game last night. The refs sided with the storm as well - one could call it karma. That second try was ridiculous.
I'm a bit nervous about the game tonight. Tge dogs will need to play better than they did against manly. If the dogs lose I will be happy for the bunnies to win the gf.
For whatever reason Manly were not good enough, and the pattern was similar to previous recent Manly vs Storm finals games, where one side or the other wins big. I think this year was Manly's last chance for a while as well, but I can't complain after their considerable success in recent years.
