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honda disappointment/rossi yellow flag

The fact of the matter is that it happened (according to race direction) and nothing was done and nothing can be done to change that. The only thing I find ridiculous about this is how people like to talk about Nicky crying and sulking about it. Why should he do anything and everything he can to win the title? After all, it's stated in the rules that all 990cc MotoGP World Championships are the belongings of Valentino Rossi and all other riders should simply accept it and shut the fck up.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsraeliRacer @ Sep 20 2006, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry Mbracing, I want to get this clear.... You hate HRC Honda, because they registered a legitimate complaint about Rossi cheating? You hate Honda, because Rossi cheated?.....

And again, Rossi overtakes like a lunatic, its true. He pulls it off brilliantly and never puts himself in danger, but he's not averse to putting others in danger... which race was it last year that Rossi went in for an insane move down the inside of Melandri which ended up with Melandri needing 42 stitches?

No offence, but maybe you should look at both sides of a story before judging.


Hmmm Nice comment. BUT I did look at both side of the story. I just don't like Honda.

And as for the Mel & Rossi overtake I do believe rossi was at fault. However in the 250 Mel did some great overtaken / insane overtakes which left a few poeple on the decks - It's call racing....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Hmmm Nice comment. BUT I did look at both side of the story. I just don't like Honda.
This seems to me to be slightly contradictory..... how can you look at both sides of the story if you have an anti-Honda bias?


With regards to <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>However in the 250 Mel did some great overtaken / insane overtakes which left a few poeple on the decks - It's call racing....
This is true, you can't strangle the racing, but neither can you have a BTCC situation where anything and everything goes and you get in effect a demolition derby on track. There have to be rules and they have to be adhered to. For example Lorenzo's hit on Locatelli in Le Mans, if it hadn't meant Lorenzo got taken out too, should have been a black flag offence.
I personally would rather watch a series with sportsmanship and clean overtaking, than a BTCC type series with plenty of spectacular crashes.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsraeliRacer @ Sep 20 2006, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry Mbracing, I want to get this clear.... You hate HRC Honda, because they registered a legitimate complaint about Rossi cheating? You hate Honda, because Rossi cheated?.....

And again, Rossi overtakes like a lunatic, its true. He pulls it off brilliantly and never puts himself in danger, but he's not averse to putting others in danger... which race was it last year that Rossi went in for an insane move down the inside of Melandri which ended up with Melandri needing 42 stitches?

No offence, but maybe you should look at both sides of a story before judging.

Not to speak for you MB but jesus Israeli....its pretty clear that you don't like Rossi. That's fine. Passing like a lunatic....come on dude, that's called racing!! He is untouchable in that respect and that is what gets under peoples skin.

You accuse people of not looking at both sides of the story.....maybe you should check your glasses.....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>The Repsol Honda rider can consider himself unlucky when his chief rival Rossi was the beneficiary of the debatable decision of the Race Direction following Rossi's passing maneuver under a yellow flag incident that cost the Kentuckian valuable points in the last weeks Australian GP. <<HONDA RACING INFORMATION >>

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The debate is on.... check this column by dean adams from superbikeplanet.com

Expletive Deleted: Rossi's Rules
 
http://www.eurosport.com/motorcycling/aust...sto967970.shtml

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Moto GP race officials have apologised to Nicky Hayden after they failed to penalise Valentino Rossi for an illegal overtaking move in Sunday’s Australian Grand Prix.

Rossi passed Casey Stoner for fifth place late in the race under waved yellow flags and then went on to finish third – reducing the American’s series lead to 21 points.

Hayden, 25, said in the post-race that Rossi's move on Stoner was against the rules of the sport and that the Italian should have been given a penalty for the offence.

The Honda rider said: “I saw the waving yellow flag in turn three and we'd just caught Stoner and he made a pass there. I was waiting to see a board out for him (to give a ride-through penalty).

“I thought he should have been penalised but I knew he wasn't. If it was the other way round and I had passed under a yellow, I'd like to think it would be the same for me. The bottom line is I want to fight the dude on the track.”

Although the stewards did look into the move, it was only after video evidence had been reviewed, that the group decided that they had made a mistake, that Hayden was right after all and that Rossi had deserved a penalty.

Unfortunately for Hayden, Moto GP rules do not allow a rider to be punished for such an offence once the race has ended, and Rossi, a five-time champion, was let-off scot-free.

Chief steward Paul Butler has now apologised to a reportedly ‘devastated' Hayden, who believes that the extra points gained by Rossi could make all the difference at the end of the season.

Butler said: “I went to see Nicky to explain what had gone on and I told him that I was really sorry because I want this title to be won on the track, not in the stewards' office.

“He told me that his mindset had changed because he thought he would get penalised.”
 
All I know this is not the first time, and last time this is going to happen.

Remember when this happened to Max & Mick Doohan. Towards the end of the season when Max was beating Doohan on points.

Race director decided that Max had overtaken on a yellow flag, so he had the drive through penalty but Max didn’t do it so he got blacked flagged, but he carried on racing. After the race it was decided Max made the manoeuvre on mick before the Flag and was level with Mick at the marshells post – however Max still lost the points. The Race director got sacked.
 
Hayden said it himself there, that he wants to fight him on the track. So what's the problem, he has the opportunity to do that every round. Yellow flag or not, Rossi would have overtaken Stoner at some point. Hayden just seems to be making excuses.
 
That's some pretty objective journalism, Dean. Why don't you keep playing up the anti American/pro European facade, that'll only make the situation better... I like that site for the Jules Ryder articles and pretty good news regarding the AMA series but some of the stuff that gets published regarding MotoGP is ridiculous and no more credible than anything I, or any member here, create.

Is this debate really going to carry into the Motegi round? It's over, MotoGP will not penalize Rossi for the offense and that's that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>It's not like he passed me on the yellow flag, so I really have nothing to complain about.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Not to speak for you MB but jesus Israeli....its pretty clear that you don't like Rossi. That's fine. Passing like a lunatic....come on dude, that's called racing!! He is untouchable in that respect and that is what gets under peoples skin.

You accuse people of not looking at both sides of the story.....maybe you should check your glasses.....
.....Where did you decide I don't like Rossi? I believe he's arrogant, and as a person, he's definitely not the kind of guy I'd make friends with, but thats got nothing to do with his undoubted skill as a racer. He's the best in the world and nothing will change that, and I've never denied that.

I looked at both sides, and clearly I made the right judgement, as Race Control seemed to agree with me.
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I'd just like to reiterate what Ooost said:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Sep 21 2006, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is this debate really going to carry into the Motegi round? It's over, MotoGP will not penalize Rossi for the offense and that's that.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Hayden, Rossi calm yellow flag furore.


MotoGP title rivals Nicky Hayden and Valentino Rossi have played down the Italian's 'penalty escape', after overtaking under waved yellow flags during last Sunday's Australian Grand Prix.

Rossi and Hayden, now separated by a reduced 21 points heading into this weekend's Japanese Grand Prix, had battled their way back from poor starts at Phillip Island to sit seventh and eighth respectively when the moment of controversy occurred, on lap 18 of 26, as Rossi passed Casey Stoner under waved yellow flags following an incident involving Carlos Checa.

Although Stoner fought back on the exit of the corner, and arguably momentarily pulled alongside or even slightly in front of Rossi, the Yamaha star retained his position ahead of the Australian into the next turn and beyond. There is no doubt that yellow flags were being waved when Rossi overtook Stoner, but the reigning five-times world champion wasn't punished.

According to the Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix regulations: "In case of infringement of this (yellow flag) rule during the race, the rider must go back the number of positions decided by the Race Direction. The penalty will be first communicated to the team and then a board will be displayed for the rider on the finish line during a maximum of 3 laps. If the rider did not go back after the board has been presented 3 times, he will be penalized by a ride through."
The only way that a rider can escape punishment is: "If immediately after having overtaken, the rider realises that he did an infraction, he must raise his hand and let pass the rider(s) that he has overtaken. In this case, no penalty will be imposed."

Since Rossi didn't raise his hand or let Stoner back past, he should have received a 'position' penalty from Race Direction - but Race Direction, it seems, were not aware of Rossi's yellow flag pass until after the race, by which time it was too late to hand out any punishment. Hayden, having been perfectly placed to observe Rossi's illegal overtake, was reportedly left fuming - but had calmed down considerably when asked about the incident on Thursday at Motegi:

"It's last week and (time to) let it go," said the Repsol Honda rider. "Standing here kicking, screaming and pouting isn't going to do any good. The bottom line is that he (Rossi) didn't pass me under a waved yellow so I've got no reason to complain really.

"When I came around on the last couple of laps and saw that he didn't have a board out (to indicate a penalty) I knew they'd obviously missed it and that I needed to try and beat the guy on track. I put my head down and honestly tried as hard as I could. It's not like I can sit here and say ' I thought I was in front of him' or 'that I would get the position back'.

"That was last week. We're here to race this weekend. We've still got three races to go. He's a good competitor and I'm sure we'll do our best just to win on the track and let all the drama go. It's racing," he concluded.

Rossi, meanwhile, maintains that he didn't see the yellow flags and shouldn't have been punished anyway since Stoner retook him on the exit of the corner, although - once again - he should actually have let Stoner back ahead and raised his hand to avoid punishment.

"I didn't see the yellow flags in Phillip Island, but I have been unlucky with them before and I was lucky this time. Stoner retook me and I was saved by that," claimed the seven-times world champion, who was stripped of his 2003 British Grand Prix victory for passing under a yellow flag, but won the 2003 Australian Grand Prix despite a ten-second penalty for the same offence.

Rossi went on to finish third at Phillip Island after a last turn pass on Sete Gibernau, while Hayden crossed the line just 0.168secs behind Rossi, but in fifth.

http://www.crash.net/news_view~cid~6~id~137669~pid~0.htm
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsraeliRacer @ Sep 21 2006, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I debated something entirely different somedamnwriter, I was debating whether or not I dislike Rossi.

I wasn't referring to you alone, or to anyone else. I was referring to the whole group.
 
What I meant was, it's over and done with and perhaps it would be better if we just leave it at that since we can't do anything about it.

This is still a place for discussing and sharing opinions, but sometimes we need to see when and where to stop.

But this is just my opinion. If you plan to carry on, I don't have any right or power to stop anyone of you.
 
What am I missing in this "discussion"?

When Rossi first overtook Stoner he was as far as i could see well in front of the flag so what is the fuzz about?
If anyone was to blame it would be Stoner that attempted a pass under yellow flag.

And guys like Dean Adams at superbike planet really should find new work. Flagpost?
 
I know this debate has been raging but I only heard about it when Suzi Perry briefly mentioned on the starting grid for the next race, of course had the person offended against been Rossi it would have had bigger coverage, so apologies for re-raking it up.

To me it shows the Rossi dilemma and how well the media is in his pocket. He breach rules with impunity and if anyone grumbles against him and they are labelled whiners.
 

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