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honda disappointment/rossi yellow flag

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17/09/2006

Honda `disappointed` as Rossi escapes punishment.


Nicky Hayden`s Repsol Honda team manager has expressed his `disappointment` at the decision not to punish Valentino Rossi for allegedly overtaking under yellow flags during Sunday`s Australian Grand Prix.

Rossi is currently locked in an increasingly tense title fight with Hayden, who leads the 2006 MotoGP World Championship by a reduced 21 points over reigning five-times title holder Rossi after the Italian gained a further five points on the American at Phillip Island.

Rossi and Hayden had both battled their way back from poor starts and were sixth and seventh respectively when the moment of controversy occurred, on lap 18 of 26, as Rossi reportedly passed Casey Stoner for fourth under waved yellow flags following an incident involving Carlos Checa.

Rossi retained his position ahead of Stoner into the next corner, gaining valuable time on Hayden as a result, but Race Direction later ruled that no further action should be taken as it was deemed Stoner had momentarily re-passed Rossi.

"I am very disappointed that Race Control reached the decision they did regarding Valentino Rossi`s overtake under the yellow flag," said Repsol Honda team manager Tanaka.

It took Hayden two more laps to also pass Stoner after which he closed to within 0.3secs of fourth placed Rossi - but the Italian grabbed a further last gasp advantage by overtaking a fading Sete Gibernau for third place out of the very final corner

A MEMBER OF THE FORUM:

Both Hayden and HRC are really showing their desperation now with this kind of garbage. If they truly believed that Valentino had broken the rules, they would have lodged an official complaint, but according to Reuters News, this did not happen. Instead they've tried to influence race direction with innuendo and gossip, with Hayden chosing to whine like a schoolgirl to reporters after the race.

Hayden knows that he is very close to losing his ability to 'coast to the title' - if Rossi can score just 11 more points than Hayden at Motegi, then that will leave only 10 points to make up at Estoril and Valencia, two tracks that Rossi is historically strong at. If that happens, Hayden will no longer be able to win the title by just finishing close to Rossi, he will actually have to beat him, something he has not done since Shanghai at the start of the year (with the exception of Laguna, and the Le Mans breakdown). Hayden is feeling the heat, and I wouldn't be surprised to even see a DNF from him in the remaining rounds.

SOME VIDEO OF THE PASS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9RgP5uGGdc

MEMBER OF THE FORUM'S OPINION OF THE PASS:

see for yourself. rossi passes stoner, we see the yellow waving flag in the background, stoner briefly overtakes rossi before rossi takes over for good.

jeak, i think pi race direction didn't react to the pass under yellow until the complaint was lodged. this is their way of trying to save face, imho. and what are they going to do. under the rules, they need to notify the riders team so they can bring up a pit board to tell the rider what position to drop back into. none of this happened.

QUOTE FROM ROSSI:

“Regarding the talk about the yellow flag, they will do nothing because anyway Stoner re-passed me, so there is no problem. Last night we actually talked about this marshall at turn three with the safety commission because even during the practice he was waving the flag when there was no crash, but just because there was a rider going slow. Actually this is quite dangerous

ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE FORUM:

I think it's not clear-cut if Stoner got by or not. But the rules don't say "if the person you pass manages to sneak by you for half a second, you're in the clear", they say "If a rider realises immediately he's overtaken under waved yellow flags, he must raise his hand and let pass the rider or riders he has overtaken."

Regardless, I think that race direction didn't see it happen and tried to save face, and things are as they are. Had the penalty been applied, it would probably have changed things from Rossi w /16 points and Nicky w/ 11 (+5 Rossi) to Nicky with probably 13 and Rossi with 11 (+2 Nicky). A 7 point swing this late in the season is pretty big (that's 2nd to 4th), but not necessarily decisive.

Anyway, if the next three races have the same finishing order as this one, Melandri will win the championship, with Nicky 2nd and Rossi 3rd. Exciting stuff.
 
The pass was legal.

If you have Tivo or a dvr, go back to lap 18 and start from there.

Rossi passed Stoner, just a few feet BEFORE the flag station:


The rule-

"Shown waved at the flag marshal post, this flag indicates that there is
a danger ahead. The riders must slow down and be prepared to stop.
Overtaking is forbidden up until the point where the green flag is
shown."

Passing under a waving yellow is legal before the flag station, if it were not, passing under the same waving yellow, on the other side of the track, (where you could not possibly see it) would also be illegal, which it is not. The rule is designed this way, so that riders can't argue over when they actually saw the flag.

Whether Rossi saw the flag after he was committed to the pass, or "raced the yellow" (taking advantage of an upcoming waving yellow) is immaterial. The pass was complete before the flag station.


Nicky (The Complaint'n Kid) Hayden
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Funny and all but Nicky hasn't said any of that all season. It's members in forums like myself who make excuses for him regarding the bogus HRC test program when he has a championship to win. I didn't hear any complaints about the Rossi move from his mouth in any of the releases, it all came from Makoto Tanaka, Repsol Honda boss.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Sep 18 2006, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Funny and all but Nicky hasn't said any of that all season. It's members in forums like myself who make excuses for him regarding the bogus HRC test program when he has a championship to win. I didn't hear any complaints about the Rossi move from his mouth in any of the releases, it all came from Makoto Tanaka, Repsol Honda boss.

i saw the race live on the GP site...as soon as he came off the bike he blurted it out to the 1st mic that was put in front of him...

but i'm sure HONDA prolly told him as soon as he came in... and had him report it...

don't get wrong..i like Nick a lot, i just don't think he's happy at Honda.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yamahamer-AL @ Sep 18 2006, 05:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i saw the race live on the GP site...as soon as he came off the bike he blurted it out to the 1st mic that was put in front of him...

but i'm sure HONDA prolly told him as soon as he came in... and had him report it...

don't get wrong..i like Nick a lot, i just don't think he's happy at Honda.
After about 17 laps my connection went to .... so the video was reloading three times per lap and by the time they finished I was so upset with the constant loading that I turned it off so I missed all the interviews immediately after. I just read through the press releases and didn't see anything from Hayden, only Tanaka. But I agree with you, I don't think he's happy at HRC. Although I think he will stay because you'd be a fool to bet against Honda when it comes to brand new machinery.
 
Wow, so Stoner's spent the better part of the first half of the season complaining, you didn't comment. Hayden complained once, on an incident that it seems he was right on, and suddenly you attack him. Reading Rossi's autobiography, half of it was whining about Gibernau or Biaggi or Repsol Honda. Give it a break.
 
I don't think it will do him any favours in the championship as it got Rossi's back up for sure & we all remember what happened to Sete after he did his bit of grassing!
Races should be won/lost on the track & not in a room.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsraeliRacer @ Sep 19 2006, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow, so Stoner's spent the better part of the first half of the season complaining, you didn't comment. Hayden complained once, on an incident that it seems he was right on, and suddenly you attack him. Reading Rossi's autobiography, half of it was whining about Gibernau or Biaggi or Repsol Honda. Give it a break.
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ya got a point there IR!
 
That did strike me as odd, how come Stoner hasn`t seemed to comment on the incident, from the sound of it he was in a good position to... Perhaps HRC bullied LCR into going along with thier story? Or did Stoner say somthing about it that I just haven`t heard?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dannozx10r @ Sep 20 2006, 05:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think it will do him any favours in the championship as it got Rossi's back up for sure & we all remember what happened to Sete after he did his bit of grassing!

I agree it won`t help him, and Sete is living proof that you don`t wanna make an enemy of a guy like Rossi, but the thing about Qatar '04 I think that really pissed Rossi off was that Sete came out on top. Not so this time.
 
Only thing i heard was Nicky straight after the race he got off the bike talking about Rossi passing on a yellow flag but seemed to me that he was not sure when it happened etc so i think Makoto Tanaka quickly relayed some info to him. I dont blame Nicky as it were heat of the moment stuff.

haha Israeliracer. Like how u put Coldplay as Favorite race track.
 
MCN today had it that Paul Butler of race direction had said there was an infringement but they could do nothing as it was only proven after the race, also he issued a grovelling apology to NH!!! And he claimed Stoner had NOT repassed Rossi which is BS as I've watched it several times & he definitely put a wheel in front of Rossi momentarily, fact is also the flags should not have been out as there was no danger!
 
Whattup guys, its been a while but this arguement is so absurd to me, that it brought be out of hiding to make a comment.
I think Nicky should shut his pie hole on this one. Yes it was missed and yes...as the rules state, Rossi should have been penalized. But lets be honest here....Nicky already got handed the biggest cookie....and it was called RAIN....if it had stayed dry, he'd have probably been lucky to see 10th place and Rossi was already on Nakano...so he'd have probably dropped more like 10-15 points to Rossi.

As far as I'm concerned, this season has been a gift to Hayden, that he should have (and still could) capitalize on. If he can't win or hold on during a season where the best riders are injured and where terrible luck has robbed Rossi of about 4-5 point scoring races...then shame on him and Honda.....
This story is just a way for Honda to start an excuse trail, so they can blame everyone else but Nicky if Rossi beats him to the title.

What a joke.
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I was wondering what's up with the yellow flag too. What danger is there? But we shouldn't blame Nicky for complaining. He only reported what he saw. He didn't make up stories. Rossi would probably done the same thing if Nicky is the one who overtook when the flag is out. Remember they're not the best of friends but rivals on the track.
 
Remember Rossi's pit crew cleaning the floor before the start of the race 2 years ago. It was Honda who complained.... I truly hate HRC Honda, with so much passion..

My view (and who cares
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) I think it's Honda spiting their dummy out not Nicky, hope not but if it is Nicky then HRC factory Honda seem to be breeding the spiting dummy out brigade, with Dani complaining about Rossi's dangerous over taken.......
 
Sorry Mbracing, I want to get this clear.... You hate HRC Honda, because they registered a legitimate complaint about Rossi cheating? You hate Honda, because Rossi cheated?.....

And again, Rossi overtakes like a lunatic, its true. He pulls it off brilliantly and never puts himself in danger, but he's not averse to putting others in danger... which race was it last year that Rossi went in for an insane move down the inside of Melandri which ended up with Melandri needing 42 stitches?

No offence, but maybe you should look at both sides of a story before judging.
 
IR it was at Motegi when Rossi & Melandri collided & it wasn't a stupid move, just they were both entering the corner on different lines, Melandri didn't point the finger at him. & yes HRC will try anything to win a title, they failed in 04 & I hope they fail this year as I don't want to see someone who does not win on a regular basis winning anything!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsraeliRacer @ Sep 20 2006, 09:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry Mbracing, I want to get this clear.... You hate HRC Honda, because they registered a legitimate complaint about Rossi cheating? You hate Honda, because Rossi cheated?.....

And again, Rossi overtakes like a lunatic, its true. He pulls it off brilliantly and never puts himself in danger, but he's not averse to putting others in danger... which race was it last year that Rossi went in for an insane move down the inside of Melandri which ended up with Melandri needing 42 stitches?

No offence, but maybe you should look at both sides of a story before judging.

it's racing....not hop scotch.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yamahamer-AL @ Sep 20 2006, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it's racing....not hop scotch.
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Yeah, it's a heap of crap ladies, arguing over something that has and won't ever have any consequence, dragging up past instances of alleged misconduct, c ' m o n. There was some debate in uk MCN that Rossi gave the position back to stoner after the incident in question, whatever, who cares? The results stand. Rossi may not have even seen the flag, none of them might ever have seen it until after the race. On to motegi.