Hayden's title season

That was a good race by race report. Enjoyed that, Hayden has come across to be a honest guy.

Excellent read. This thread seems a bit lonely, and I’m wondering where are all the “race fans” not just “Rossi fans?” Hayden is a humble champion that stayed focus on the big prize. I wonder what the Rossi fans on this site think about his comments race by race, since I saw a few threads claiming Hayden was not gracious, and some even going so far as saying he was whining during the season. I noticed he gave props to Rossi a few times in his post race interviews, which demonstrates he has esteem for his accomplishments and respect for the sport. I already noticed a few mustering to say some positive comments about Hayden’s accomplishment on other threads; (which shows you respect the sport even if your guy doesn’t win). But, do any of the diehard Rossi fans have any props for Hayden?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 7 2006, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This thread seems a bit lonely

give people chance jumkie... different time zones you know

I wonder how much anti-Hayden feeling is thinly disguised "anti-America" feeling....???

also, many racers have tried and failed to beat Rossi over the years. And to some extent Rossi has gotten to each and every one of them, in some "psychological" way. Sometimes, its direct - as in Biaggi; and sometimes its via his imense popularity, and Rossi loving media. Thats pretty tough to race against, I think Gibbers felt this the most.

Hayden handled the pressure of "Rossi" better than anyone. Plus the kid has got character, humility, and guts......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 7 2006, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Excellent read. This thread seems a bit lonely, and I’m wondering where are all the “race fans” not just “Rossi fans?” Hayden is a humble champion that stayed focus on the big prize. I wonder what the Rossi fans on this site think about his comments race by race, since I saw a few threads claiming Hayden was not gracious, and some even going so far as saying he was whining during the season. I noticed he gave props to Rossi a few times in his post race interviews, which demonstrates he has esteem for his accomplishments and respect for the sport. I already noticed a few mustering to say some positive comments about Hayden’s accomplishment on other threads; (which shows you respect the sport even if your guy doesn’t win). But, do any of the diehard Rossi fans have any props for Hayden?
i give prop's to all motogp rider's....but i must say this comment leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth, no team order's unless your team mate sez so.

I told him there's a way to make it up to me and that's if we run one-two in Valencia then the championship's still possible."

so what would he have said if dani said bollox and mugged him on the last lap. its not so bad to ask your team mate to ride behind you if you going to lead the race but to cruise around in 3rd means dani had no chance of a podium.IMO

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Nov 7 2006, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i give prop's to all motogp rider's....but i must say this comment leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth, no team order's unless your team mate sez so.

I told him there's a way to make it up to me and that's if we run one-two in Valencia then the championship's still possible."

so what would he have said if dani said bollox and mugged him on the last lap. its not so bad to ask your team mate to ride behind you if you going to lead the race but to cruise around in 3rd means dani had no chance of a podium.IMO

Its in the wording. "I told him there is a way to make it up to me...." is an inviation to Dani, not an order. There is a big difference. Dani was given the chance to show what kind of man he wants to be. And props to him for rising to that challenge.

Dani was still under no team orders that last race. He did what he wanted to, not what he was told to by either Honda or Hayden.

He redeemed himself in many peoples eyes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Best Man @ Nov 7 2006, 10:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>give people chance jumkie... different time zones you know

I know, but I'm just trying to move things along

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MarkB @ Nov 7 2006, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wonder how much anti-Hayden feeling is thinly disguised "anti-America" feeling....???That's mixing up Politics with Sport. Don't do it.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Nov 7 2006, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i give prop's to all motogp rider's....but i must say this comment leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth, no team order's unless your team mate sez so.

I told him there's a way to make it up to me and that's if we run one-two in Valencia then the championship's still possible."

so what would he have said if dani said bollox and mugged him on the last lap. its not so bad to ask your team mate to ride behind you if you going to lead the race but to cruise around in 3rd means dani had no chance of a podium.IMOBut that doesn't matter roger, Dani did what a pro should do, he covered his guy. Podium or no podium.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Nov 7 2006, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i give prop's to all motogp rider's....but i must say this comment leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth, no team order's unless your team mate sez so.

I told him there's a way to make it up to me and that's if we run one-two in Valencia then the championship's still possible."

Roger-m, lets add in a little context.

This was said moments after being taking out by your teammate in a fight for the championship; which may have resulted in an end to a life long dream. Imagine the taste in Hayden’s mouth at the time. Honestly, roger, what would have been your reaction? Now compare that to what he "actually" said. He did not order Pedrosa to do anything. I believe he was asking for consideration. The same consideration that Roberts extended to Rossi at Portugal by admitting in his post race interview not wanting to crowd him on a pass and effect the championship.


As far as not allowing Pedrosa to get a podium; he did not finish fractions of a second from Hayden, so to say he may have had a chance at the podium is a stretch.

[quote name='roger-m' date='Nov 7 2006, 10:55 AM' post='36990']


I told him there's a way to make it up to me and that's if we run one-two in Valencia then the championship's still possible."


Hey Roger, notice the word "if" and the word "possible"? Sounds more like an invitation buddy. (I can still call you buddy right?)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Nov 7 2006, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's mixing up Politics with Sport. Don't do it.

you serious? is that an invitation, or a team order?
I see it as relevent - although there really is little to deny/discuss on this point.

Something that is overlooked about racing btw.....its VERY difficult to know what is actually going on around you. You can't see behind you, even if you turn around to look. The pit-board tells you very little and is hard to read. Riders ahead are hard to make out once they get more than 20 bike lengths away. Finally, its really hard to think. Its hard to count up to ten. Its hard to do simple math in your head. Recollections of a race afterwards are no more than mental images, and colors.

My point - analysing moves, and tactics to the 10th degree is fun, but also unrealistic and somewhat pointless.....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MarkB @ Nov 7 2006, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you serious? is that an invitation, or a team order?
I see it as relevent - although there really is little to deny/discuss on this point.



My point - analysing moves, and tactics to the 10th degree is fun, but also unrealistic and somewhat pointless.....

Very Witty. BTW Welcome to the site. ...thats an order.

Yup, thats what we do, we just chat away about stuff related to racing. Its fun and sometimes you learn a bit or two. I've heard racing compared to a microcosm of life. I see the point you made, and I think it is relevant, and I agree that some of it is related. But stuff like that gets way out of hand sometimes. There are some very fair and balance posters here but I gotta admit, if you are a Hayden fan, your posts will be scrutinized and even responded to by a crew claiming to uphold the banner of civility and respect.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 7 2006, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Very Witty. BTW Welcome to the site. ...thats an order.

Yup, thats what we do, we just chat away about stuff related to racing. Its fun and sometimes you learn a bit or two. I've heard racing compared to a microcosm of life. I see the point you made, and I think it is relevant, and I agree that some of it is related. But stuff like that gets way out of hand sometimes. There are some very fair and balance posters here but I gotta admit, if you are a Hayden fan, your posts will be scrutinized and even responded to by a crew claiming to uphold the banner of civility and respect.


Well, don't worry, I've read some of your earlier posts, and noted how you were mauled for your senseless attack upon a defenseless girl...
I am a Hayden fan though. I have been for some years. He came the same route into racing that I have - WERA & AMA. I admire his approach to life and racing. I am also a Rossi fan. Who couldn't be after watching his career, and viewing Faster (1&2)? Great film.
One thing I take exception to is mindless cheerleading; those that are blind to the achievements of anyone other than their idol. I think that these people somehow find a parallel between their own life, and that of their hero's. Rossi fans are simply more prone to this than most others. I admire the way Rossi himself counteracts this when he gives the likes of Hayden their due respect.
Anyway, enough of that...I've forgot the original question in this thread now.....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MarkB @ Nov 7 2006, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its in the wording. "I told him there is a way to make it up to me...." is an inviation to Dani, not an order. There is a big difference. Dani was given the chance to show what kind of man he wants to be. And props to him for rising to that challenge.

Dani was still under no team orders that last race. He did what he wanted to, not what he was told to by either Honda or Hayden.

He redeemed himself in many peoples eyes.

Are you being serious? When Nicky said that he meant it as a request, but you KNOW there were HRC bigwigs telling him what to do for the sake of his position within the team...I mean the dwarf could have cost Honda the chance to mock Rossi.

Dani would have been under team orders during that race, but I agree, Dani was nowhere near the pace all weekend, so a podium was a pipedream.

Ahh..


Its a pleasure to see you guys sit down and a indulge yourselves in a good discussion, thats what it is all about on here, and like you Bopping, Bashing however you want to describe it gets pretty tiresome after a while.


Markb looks like you have made yourself at home, and you are in the fine company of Roger, Skid and RaceJumkie.......now if eveyone was sat drinking a few in a bar, toss in a few dancing girls...life would be indeed sweet.

Sorry off topic, been a long day that's all... carry on Gents.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Nov 7 2006, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you being serious? When Nicky said that he meant it as a request, but you KNOW there were HRC bigwigs telling him what to do for the sake of his position within the team...I mean the dwarf could have cost Honda the chance to mock Rossi.

Dani would have been under team orders during that race, but I agree, Dani was nowhere near the pace all weekend, so a podium was a pipedream.


Well said, HRC would have told Dani what he had to do or not to do at the last race. I dont believe they would have until then, because like I have said before, HRC are like Frank Williams, the bike/car is the important winner, not the rider. Doohan and Criville knocked lumps out of each other plenty when they were in the team. For a real contrast, check the 1993 Donnington GP, Roberts Snr's face when Cadalora passed Rainey was a picture. Roberts made it quite clear that Cadalora had stepped over the line, and his coat was on a shakey peg after that. There were strong rumours at the time that Luca was for the boot after that incident, but the Yamaha team were thrown into turmoil soon after with Waynes accident.

I loved Roberts quote after the race though "well, you dont get many chances to win a 500 race, and Luca took it" How wonderful a put down of your rider is that!!


Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MarkB @ Nov 7 2006, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well, don't worry, I've read some of your earlier posts, and noted how you were mauled for your senseless attack upon a defenseless girl...

One thing I take exception to is mindless cheerleading; those that are blind to the achievements of anyone other than their idol. I think that these people somehow find a parallel between their own life, and that of their hero's. Rossi fans are simply more prone to this than most others. I admire the way Rossi himself counteracts this when he gives the likes of Hayden their due respect.
Anyway, enough of that...I've forgot the original question in this thread now..... B)

Nice one. I appreciate wittyness, its a real crack up. I wouldn't characterize "silly" and "lousy" as a "senseless attack" but some did. But to my credit and to her's, we have since kissed and made up. Actually, I've been doing that alot lately but I'm back to my old ways. Especially with the "mindless cheerleading".

Welcome aboard.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MarkB @ Nov 7 2006, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wonder how much anti-Hayden feeling is thinly disguised "anti-America" feeling....???

also, many racers have tried and failed to beat Rossi over the years. And to some extent Rossi has gotten to each and every one of them, in some "psychological" way. Sometimes, its direct - as in Biaggi; and sometimes its via his imense popularity, and Rossi loving media. Thats pretty tough to race against, I think Gibbers felt this the most.

Hayden handled the pressure of "Rossi" better than anyone. Plus the kid has got character, humility, and guts......

AND HE HAD LOTS & LOTS OF LUCK - ROSSI 3 DNF's WITHOUT A FALL - I HOPE NH HAS THANKED TONI ELIAS FOR THE MAGICAL 5 POINTS - NICKY IS A GOOD CONSISTENT TECHNICAL RACER, BUT NOT A REAL CHAMPION - A PRO, A DOOHAN, A ROSSI WOULD STILL HAVE GONE FOR 1st PLACE TO CLINCH THEIR TITLE

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ptk50 @ Nov 7 2006, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>AND HE HAD LOTS & LOTS OF LUCK - ROSSI 3 DNF's WITHOUT A FALL - I HOPE NH HAS THANKED TONI ELIAS FOR THE MAGICAL 5 POINTS - NICKY IS A GOOD CONSISTENT TECHNICAL RACER, BUT NOT A REAL CHAMPION - A PRO, A DOOHAN, A ROSSI WOULD STILL HAVE GONE FOR 1st PLACE TO CLINCH THEIR TITLE

Hey Mark B, you were looking for "mindless cheerleading"? Here is some.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MarkB @ Nov 7 2006, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you serious? is that an invitation, or a team order?
I see it as relevent - although there really is little to deny/discuss on this point.

Something that is overlooked about racing btw.....its VERY difficult to know what is actually going on around you. You can't see behind you, even if you turn around to look. The pit-board tells you very little and is hard to read. Riders ahead are hard to make out once they get more than 20 bike lengths away. Finally, its really hard to think. Its hard to count up to ten. Its hard to do simple math in your head. Recollections of a race afterwards are no more than mental images, and colors.

My point - analysing moves, and tactics to the 10th degree is fun, but also unrealistic and somewhat pointless.....Mark, sorry didn't spot you just joined, a big welcome from Ireland. I was serious about the politics thing, though I reckon you may have thought I was coming from a different angle. It may be hard for us mere mortals to process as much info during a race than a GP rider but it's not as difficult as you say. Most guys start a race with a plan which doesn't just evapourate when the green light goes so trying to figure out how a race will spin out isn't pointless. The sports press talk it up because that's what they do, analize, speculate, thats what we do here.

But back to the point of the thread. Nicky Hayden. I agree with you and Jumkie on the whole thing right back to Jumkie's first comment on how a thread praising Nicky is seemingly deserted and the subsequent fallout. I wonder what would have happenned if every time the Yamaha coughed this year, Burgess had told Rossi, 'Just get on with it and keep testing those 800 parts'. Credit where credit is due, Hayden deserves it all.

....Cue cheerleaders