Overall I'm just surprised at how slow HRC has developed this pneumo. With a company so legendary for R&D and huge budgets, they certainly struck out on speed and alacrity on this bike.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 16 2008, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Overall I'm just surprised at how slow HRC has developed this pneumo. With a company so legendary for R&D and huge budgets, they certainly struck out on speed and alacrity on this bike.
That too mate. Honda are really dropping a bollock of late ('fing up').
That too mate. Honda are really dropping a bollock of late ('fing up').
Hayden was told right up front when Pedrosa signed that he (Nicky) would be sucking hind ... the rest of his HRC days. The only fault I can find with Hayden is he decided that was OK.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ingjr @ Jul 16 2008, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden was told right up front when Pedrosa signed that he (Nicky) would be sucking hind ... the rest of his HRC days. The only fault I can find with Hayden is he decided that was OK.
Huh
Thought he was supposed/promised to be soemthing along the lines of a dual #1. I guess I believed that stupid garbage.
Huh
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 15 2008, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I understand the frustration Jumkie but I don't see where you can place blame. The tire was .... and the electronics were faulty. No matter this group's opinion of Michelin, Nicky has always been quick to compliment his rubber and electronic failure has no history with the 212, to my knowledge anyways. Nicky's just had a .... year, nothing can go right.
The only thing left to do is to blame outlandish conspiracy theories. Honda and Michelin have found out that Hayden has already signed for Ducati so they're sabotaging his season. Two seasons of failure back to back after a WC would prove that it was the Honda that won his championship, not the rider. Isn't that what Honda's goal has been since Rossi's time? To prove that they win the championships, not the riders.
Honda can say what they want but that bike they have the mini 211v was developed for danyell. Hayden has even said it in the past that this was the case.
The only thing left to do is to blame outlandish conspiracy theories. Honda and Michelin have found out that Hayden has already signed for Ducati so they're sabotaging his season. Two seasons of failure back to back after a WC would prove that it was the Honda that won his championship, not the rider. Isn't that what Honda's goal has been since Rossi's time? To prove that they win the championships, not the riders.
Honda can say what they want but that bike they have the mini 211v was developed for danyell. Hayden has even said it in the past that this was the case.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 15 2008, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its amazing the contrast in equipment. Peders lundges for the lead, after first lap is 2 seconds ahead of even Stoner, in that same lap Hayden is last. I suppose its my imagination that his bike sucks.
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I guess HRC solved the fuel problem--lets make him pit, that will save gas.
Ok, so Nicky is not battling Pedrosa and hes getting more attention thats obviously what happens when your the rider fighting for the title.
Nicky getting beat on points by Dovi is more concerning with last years bike.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Jul 16 2008, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That too mate. Honda are really dropping a bollock of late ('fing up').
They should have signed someone with more experience, they don't have Gibernau, Biaggi, Rossi anymore.
Just a midget and a guy who has enough problems riding an 800.
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I guess HRC solved the fuel problem--lets make him pit, that will save gas.
Ok, so Nicky is not battling Pedrosa and hes getting more attention thats obviously what happens when your the rider fighting for the title.
Nicky getting beat on points by Dovi is more concerning with last years bike.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Jul 16 2008, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That too mate. Honda are really dropping a bollock of late ('fing up').
They should have signed someone with more experience, they don't have Gibernau, Biaggi, Rossi anymore.
Just a midget and a guy who has enough problems riding an 800.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 16 2008, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Honda can say what they want but that bike they have the mini 211v was developed for danyell. Hayden has even said it in the past that this was the case.
It wasn't developed specifically for Dani. It also wasn't designed specifically for Hayden. Honda noticed a trend of incoming talent from 250 that has been quite talented so they developed a bike that would suit a 250 riding style. Yes, Dani, as a factory rider and 250 ace, is reaping the benefits of it while Hayden, as a factory rider and slide king, is being embarrassed. But if it were specifically for Pedrosa, then surely there would be more problems for Hayden and Dovizioso's results would not as strong as they have been.
It wasn't developed specifically for Dani. It also wasn't designed specifically for Hayden. Honda noticed a trend of incoming talent from 250 that has been quite talented so they developed a bike that would suit a 250 riding style. Yes, Dani, as a factory rider and 250 ace, is reaping the benefits of it while Hayden, as a factory rider and slide king, is being embarrassed. But if it were specifically for Pedrosa, then surely there would be more problems for Hayden and Dovizioso's results would not as strong as they have been.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 16 2008, 05:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Overall I'm just surprised at how slow HRC has developed this pneumo. With a company so legendary for R&D and huge budgets, they certainly struck out on speed and alacrity on this bike. Most other spring loaded bikes sucked. So, it was easier to make the pneuma biked faster. Honda's spring loaded bike, thanks to Pedrosa, is still faster than almost every other bike out there. It is not easy to make pneuma bike go faster, given the fuel restrictions. Higher revs mean less fuel efficiency due to friction losses.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Jul 16 2008, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Most other spring loaded bikes sucked. So, it was easier to make the pneuma biked faster. Honda's spring loaded bike, thanks to Pedrosa, is still faster than almost every other bike out there. It is not easy to make pneuma bike go faster, given the fuel restrictions. Higher revs mean less fuel efficiency due to friction losses.
I think the only issue here is that HRC tried to take 5 steps forward when it only needed to take 1. Maybe in the long run, the pneumo design they are working on will be the best, but they are sacrificing current results for tomorrows trophies.
I think the only issue here is that HRC tried to take 5 steps forward when it only needed to take 1. Maybe in the long run, the pneumo design they are working on will be the best, but they are sacrificing current results for tomorrows trophies.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ingjr @ Jul 16 2008, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden was told right up front when Pedrosa signed that he (Nicky) would be sucking hind ... the rest of his HRC days. The only fault I can find with Hayden is he decided that was OK.
Anything you say mate.. but this kind of statement is just BS... If you have a real proof then speak out rather than a cheap rumors around.
Anything you say mate.. but this kind of statement is just BS... If you have a real proof then speak out rather than a cheap rumors around.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 16 2008, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It wasn't developed specifically for Dani. It also wasn't designed specifically for Hayden. Honda noticed a trend of incoming talent from 250 that has been quite talented so they developed a bike that would suit a 250 riding style. Yes, Dani, as a factory rider and 250 ace, is reaping the benefits of it while Hayden, as a factory rider and slide king, is being embarrassed. But if it were specifically for Pedrosa, then surely there would be more problems for Hayden and Dovizioso's results would not as strong as they have been.
Thx Austin.. Agree...
Thx Austin.. Agree...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jul 15 2008, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>+1
Nicky got impatient so demanded the new engine, and he is now paying the price for that impatience. He is helping HRC for later in the or next year by doing testing now but he is suffering for it. So in the meantime, wait until next season when he gets on the Duc to be happy again.
Oh yeah, its Hayden the riders fault for HRC incompetence. Amazing! The trio of you, tom and neil are made of the same cloth. You place blame exactly where it doesn't belong. In case you forgot, Hayden is the rider not the ....... engineer. I suppose it was Rossi's fault that he had mechanical and tire failures last two years right. I bet I'd have a tough time finding you guys blaming Rossi for what you guys said was an inferior bike and tire performance. You boys are so easily refuted its pathetic.
Nicky got impatient so demanded the new engine, and he is now paying the price for that impatience. He is helping HRC for later in the or next year by doing testing now but he is suffering for it. So in the meantime, wait until next season when he gets on the Duc to be happy again.
Oh yeah, its Hayden the riders fault for HRC incompetence. Amazing! The trio of you, tom and neil are made of the same cloth. You place blame exactly where it doesn't belong. In case you forgot, Hayden is the rider not the ....... engineer. I suppose it was Rossi's fault that he had mechanical and tire failures last two years right. I bet I'd have a tough time finding you guys blaming Rossi for what you guys said was an inferior bike and tire performance. You boys are so easily refuted its pathetic.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 16 2008, 01:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>These things don't happen to Rossi, Stoner and Pedrosa because they are championship contenders. I don't find it odd that Nicky has been told he can't switch back because if he could he would have free reign to .... HRC engineers about when they are trying to focus their resources.
Well no ...., put one of these boys on Hayden's bike. The engineers are their to solve problems not create them genius.
Well no ...., put one of these boys on Hayden's bike. The engineers are their to solve problems not create them genius.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Jul 16 2008, 03:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Any level headed person with an ounce of common sense can see that.
I guess that excludes you then. Oh and your mates from the same fabric.
Link me the threads where you blamed Rossi for mechanical failures and poor performance of his bike.
I guess that excludes you then. Oh and your mates from the same fabric.
Link me the threads where you blamed Rossi for mechanical failures and poor performance of his bike.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 16 2008, 05:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Overall I'm just surprised at how slow HRC has developed this pneumo. With a company so legendary for R&D and huge budgets, they certainly struck out on speed and alacrity on this bike.
Havent your heard, its Hayden's fault that the bike runs out of gas and runs like ..... I guess Nicky needs to work on his engineering skills.
Havent your heard, its Hayden's fault that the bike runs out of gas and runs like ..... I guess Nicky needs to work on his engineering skills.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 16 2008, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It wasn't developed specifically for Dani. It also wasn't designed specifically for Hayden. Honda noticed a trend of incoming talent from 250 that has been quite talented so they developed a bike that would suit a 250 riding style. Yes, Dani, as a factory rider and 250 ace, is reaping the benefits of it while Hayden, as a factory rider and slide king, is being embarrassed. But if it were specifically for Pedrosa, then surely there would be more problems for Hayden and Dovizioso's results would not as strong as they have been.
In case you are not aware, bikes in a one off prototype series are most decidedly always developed "specifically" for their favored rider. Find me where and who is developing a bike for some future mythical rider. They are not making bikes for the mainstream of society, they are making them for their specifically contracted rider to win.
Austin, I'm amazed at your post. You say Hayden might be experiencing more problems? Dude, have you been paying attention the last two years? To use a rider like Dovi as comparison is rather ridiculous. The guy is a type of Pedrosa, hello, of course he would be benefited from a design that was suited for somebody very similar to his style and characteristics. The points you have 'attempted' to make are quite the opposite in logic.
In case you are not aware, bikes in a one off prototype series are most decidedly always developed "specifically" for their favored rider. Find me where and who is developing a bike for some future mythical rider. They are not making bikes for the mainstream of society, they are making them for their specifically contracted rider to win.
Austin, I'm amazed at your post. You say Hayden might be experiencing more problems? Dude, have you been paying attention the last two years? To use a rider like Dovi as comparison is rather ridiculous. The guy is a type of Pedrosa, hello, of course he would be benefited from a design that was suited for somebody very similar to his style and characteristics. The points you have 'attempted' to make are quite the opposite in logic.
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Have you actually convinced ..... one person ...... its the bike yet Jum?
Thats probably a good indicator that perhaps you should look at other possiblities.
Give it up fella and go enjoy the races this weekend!
Thats probably a good indicator that perhaps you should look at other possiblities.
Give it up fella and go enjoy the races this weekend!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 17 2008, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Have you actually convinced ..... one person ...... its the bike yet Jum?
So you're saying it was Hayden's fault that the bike ran out of gas?
And not the far more logical explanation, that HRC haven't got their act together yet?
So you're saying it was Hayden's fault that the bike ran out of gas?
And not the far more logical explanation, that HRC haven't got their act together yet?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 16 2008, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Have you actually convinced ..... one person ...... its the bike yet Jum?
Make a list of the people who don't believe this and you will have your answer. Its impossible to convince people who love the taste of sand and flaunt an IQ equal to their shoe size.
Make a list of the people who don't believe this and you will have your answer. Its impossible to convince people who love the taste of sand and flaunt an IQ equal to their shoe size.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Jul 16 2008, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So you're saying it was Hayden's fault that the bike ran out of gas?
And not the far more logical explanation, that HRC haven't got their act together yet?
You can easily count the guys who have been blaming Hayden for poor HRC development and performance. Then check out what they always say about Nicky, and you have your answer. Its that simple, hate blinds logic.
And not the far more logical explanation, that HRC haven't got their act together yet?
You can easily count the guys who have been blaming Hayden for poor HRC development and performance. Then check out what they always say about Nicky, and you have your answer. Its that simple, hate blinds logic.
