Hayden post crash interview

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stop_killing_dead_things @ Feb 12 2007, 03:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>when did i say that being a fan was a lifelong commitment?

'regardless of their human decency'. i dont like where you are going with that phrase. if you are implying that dani is not a decent and fair rider then im afraid i beg to differ.

i genuinely dont understand how you can have that opinion so please enlighten me (am im NOT being sarcastic here).and why did that video make you reconsider your opinion of dani? im curious.



'haydenites' LOL! there is certainly not a #1 rider in the repsol garage anymore thats for sure...
Hi dead,

I've written allot on Pedrosa. It's only my opinion, but if you care to read what I think you can find it on the “Pedrosa's Attitude while racing” thread and other threads, you may have to go looking around. You may not like what you read from me, but, don't worry, plenty of people on this site disagree, which means they may agree with your take.

You didn't say a life long commitment. As usual, people use this as an evasion tactic (when they say “I didn’t say that” or some variation of it, but they think they get away with it by implication). So I felt you implied it. I thought I would give you the other side of the coin on this.

I've seen Hayden's interview many times before it was posted on this thread. It is one of many things that have made me reconsider. Mainly, it was a movie I recently say that was totally unrelated to racing but had a moral to the story, which reminded me a bit about the incident later on in a conversation. By the way, keep in mind that, my opinions about racers and the sport doesn't make me lose any sleep at night. It is after-all just a pastime and the realities of the daily toils of life are vastly more important. So for me to say I don’t like Pedrosa very much is really more a matter of inconsequential entertainment that is written about in places like this forum. I don’t have the time or wherewithal to go back into it here, but like I said, if you are interested in reading an unpopular (on this site) take on the incident, then your are welcome to it. And if after that you decide you would like to debate it, well I’m more than willing to engage in the entertainment of doing so.

Also, I believe Pedrosa was the number one rider all year for Honda, even until the beginning of Portugal. I think the only time Hayden was their number one rider was in Valencia. But I think, they will revert to Pedrosa once again. Why, well, read a few back threads. But in a nutshell, I think Pedrosa’s “mentor”; A. Puig wields a large stick in the politics of the sport.

I think the bike Hayden was riding alone shows how he was Hondas number one and that they knew how his experience would show through over a season. the bike was previously being designed for Biaggi (the more obvious 2005 number 1 choice). And letting Hayden ride it this year confirmed their faith in Nicky. Traditionaly honda don't do team orders, they let the riders sort it out themslefs. The only way you can seperate the guys is by whyo gets what parts first. Nicky had an entire new bike, built just to take on Rossis yamaha. That says it all to me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 12 2007, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So fair enough.

Out of interest when was this i backed down or got "crapped out" by roger, not denying or challanging anything, just interested.
Cool, I guess there is hope for us after all eh? We can take what we see and decide for ourselves and make adjustments to our opinions accordingly.

Regarding that other thread, you had said something to the effect about Hayden, a few guys jumped all over you, mostly Roger, then you came back with a “sorry” post. I was enjoying the debate until then because it was refreshing to see somebody take the side of Hayden (other than me). I felt you had a better case but I didn’t want to chime in because when I do, the weaker debater resorts to crafty jokes. No big deal really, but I just felt you should have stuck to your guns, after-all, you will be hard pressed to get an inch from the mindless cheerleaders anyway. I can find the thread if you like. If I recall, it had something to do with track experience amongst the grid I think…

Yeah i remember now, it wasn't about the point as much as it was the poor way i conveyed it. I wasn't as clear as i had meant to be and it was easy to pick holes in it. But its in the past now, never mind.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 12 2007, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah i remember now, it wasn't about the point as much as it was the poor way i conveyed it. I wasn't as clear as i had meant to be and it was easy to pick holes in it.
Nah, man, you didn't give yourself enough credit. I was totally enjoying what you were saying and agreed with most of it. It's just the tactics of debate, thats all. But like you said, never mind. It's not like we are "convincing" anybody anyway. eh?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 12 2007, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah i remember now, it wasn't about the point as much as it was the poor way i conveyed it. I wasn't as clear as i had meant to be and it was easy to pick holes in it. But its in the past now, never mind.
that was just a misunderstanding as i remember and all was sorted and understood in the end.
interesting point you make about hayden being the #1 repsol rider tom, ive read many times how people (mainly haydonetts) say asimo was the #1 boy. ive never really been convinced with that myself as the only reason i can remember that judgment being made was to do with nickys dodgy clutch.
i think honda look at danni as a young skillfull rider who they can groom there way and is most defonatly the future of honda racing,but not for the 2006 season ,that just wouldn't make sence.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 12 2007, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ive never really been convinced with that myself as the only reason i can remember that judgment being made was to do with nickys dodgy clutch.
Not surprised, it is difficult to see things clearly when wearing those glasses you have on. Its just to painful to think Hayden beat your boy on the number two package playing second fiddle. Its not a secret that this was the case, but when you have your head in the sand, its quite difficult to see the reality.

As I recall, you are skeptical about global warming, perhaps your glasses are shady enough to protect you from the 198 degree heat. But even then, I’m not counting on you believing what is clearly in front of you.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 13 2007, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not surprised, it is difficult to see things clearly when wearing those glasses you have on. Its just to painful to think Hayden beat your boy on the number two package playing second fiddle. Its not a secret that this was the case, but when you have your head in the sand, its quite difficult to see the reality.
funny thing is tho, an rcv211v with a dodgy clutch is still twice the bike an m1 is. so what does that say to you.
im very interest to see how the new bikes rack up against each other.

the m1 has been as good as the rcv since 2005 season

isn't this kinda an old topic??? the two guys have made ammends and both showed courage and went beyond their contract duties..

^^^^^ I'm with stupid! =)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 13 2007, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not surprised, it is difficult to see things clearly when wearing those glasses you have on. Its just to painful to think Hayden beat your boy on the number two package playing second fiddle. Its not a secret that this was the case, but when you have your head in the sand, its quite difficult to see the reality.

As I recall, you are skeptical about global warming, perhaps your glasses are shady enough to protect you from the 198 degree heat. But even then, I’m not counting on you believing what is clearly in front of you.
so jumkie .do you have proof hayden was hondas 2006 #2 or is it just your haydonett oppinion.
and its very hard to believe in global warming when you live in england,so you see neither of these points you make are "clearly in front of me"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 13 2007, 12:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the m1 has been as good as the rcv since 2005 season
have to disagree there tom.
the m1 has come a long way but was clearly slower on the long straights rossi just braked later and got back on the gas faster, but look how unrealiable it been. how many times has the rcv broken down from 2005 onwards.
i no jumkie will slate me for this but who gives a fck.
yamaha lost the championship because of unrealiability and because its slower and not as easy to ride as the honda ment rossi had to push it so much harder than he would a honda causing a couple of tumbles,
wonder how nicky would get on with the yam, tell ya what,he would have a lot more than a poxy clutch to winge about.

Might have to agree with roger hear. regardless of who i like i think it seems pretty obvious that Hayden was Honda number one. But he will have to work pretty hard to keep that status, so no resting time for Nicky.

It is easy for Hayden fans to say oh look at Nicky's crap clutch and how Danis bike just worked blah blahblah. But notice that if dani or marco had bike troubles, honda say oh you can ride last years bike, but only for a race or so. When Nicky's bike wasn't right they were building him brand new ones. Honda are not stupid and they know that rookies don't win motogp world titles. They were desperate for nicky to win last year, and they got their wish.

Also people like to speculate that if Nicky had Danis problem free bike that things would be different. But Pedrosa fans must wonder that if Dani had that bike nicky had, maybe things would look very different indeed. Especially as changing Nicky for Dani would have been a very easy way of solving those clutch problems.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 12 2007, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi dead,

I've written allot on Pedrosa. It's only my opinion, but if you care to read what I think you can find it on the “Pedrosa's Attitude while racing” thread and other threads, you may have to go looking around. You may not like what you read from me, but, don't worry, plenty of people on this site disagree, which means they may agree with your take.

You didn't say a life long commitment. As usual, people use this as an evasion tactic (when they say “I didn’t say that” or some variation of it, but they think they get away with it by implication). So I felt you implied it. I thought I would give you the other side of the coin on this.

I've seen Hayden's interview many times before it was posted on this thread. It is one of many things that have made me reconsider. Mainly, it was a movie I recently say that was totally unrelated to racing but had a moral to the story, which reminded me a bit about the incident later on in a conversation. By the way, keep in mind that, my opinions about racers and the sport doesn't make me lose any sleep at night. It is after-all just a pastime and the realities of the daily toils of life are vastly more important. So for me to say I don’t like Pedrosa very much is really more a matter of inconsequential entertainment that is written about in places like this forum. I don’t have the time or wherewithal to go back into it here, but like I said, if you are interested in reading an unpopular (on this site) take on the incident, then your are welcome to it. And if after that you decide you would like to debate it, well I’m more than willing to engage in the entertainment of doing so.

Also, I believe Pedrosa was the number one rider all year for Honda, even until the beginning of Portugal. I think the only time Hayden was their number one rider was in Valencia. But I think, they will revert to Pedrosa once again. Why, well, read a few back threads. But in a nutshell, I think Pedrosa’s “mentor”; A. Puig wields a large stick in the politics of the sport.

hey, yeah ok i'll look back and read those threads and no doubt ressurect them to have a debate with you- just to annoy everyone else i dont mind reading opinions that dont reflect my own so long as they are justified (not just 'i hate dani' or whatever with the only reason being 'because he's an .....', which i have heard many times before). i like discussing opinions and hearing different views because it influences what i think and enables me to give balanced opinions.

and you are definately right about puig. i dont know which was the #1 (if any) but he definately protects dani and looks out for him ALOT.

goes off to look at old threads

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 13 2007, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Might have to agree with roger hear. regardless of who i like i think it seems pretty obvious that Hayden was Honda number one. But he will have to work pretty hard to keep that status, so no resting time for Nicky.

It is easy for Hayden fans to say oh look at Nicky's crap clutch and how Danis bike just worked blah blahblah. But notice that if dani or marco had bike troubles, honda say oh you can ride last years bike, but only for a race or so. When Nicky's bike wasn't right they were building him brand new ones. Honda are not stupid and they know that rookies don't win motogp world titles. They were desperate for nicky to win last year, and they got their wish.

Also people like to speculate that if Nicky had Danis problem free bike that things would be different. But Pedrosa fans must wonder that if Dani had that bike nicky had, maybe things would look very different indeed. Especially as changing Nicky for Dani would have been a very easy way of solving those clutch problems.

of course they would have been different. but to put dani on a development bike, being a rookie, would have been idiotic because he had nothing to compare it to. that fact hayden stayed with the development bike and worked through the clutch problems just makes his title win even sweeter. im still unsure of who was #1 though- i suppose it was hayden, definately towards the end of the season, he'll definately have to work hard if he wants to keep it that way... youre right there

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stop_killing_dead_things @ Feb 13 2007, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>of course they would have been different. but to put dani on a development bike, being a rookie, would have been idiotic because he had nothing to compare it to. that fact hayden stayed with the development bike and worked through the clutch problems just makes his title win even sweeter. im still unsure of who was #1 though- i suppose it was hayden, definately towards the end of the season, he'll definately have to work hard if he wants to keep it that way... youre right there

I think putting dani on the "development" bike would have been idiotic from hondas point of view because like you said, with so little experience he wouldn't have been able to make as much progress as Hayden could. but nicky said himself that the bike didn't really change all that much through the year, certainly not as much as he was inclined to think it would. I wasn't making reference to the idea of dani being development rider but to suggest his results might have been better if he had the newer chassis which was smaller and could enter corners better.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 13 2007, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think putting dani on the "development" bike would have been idiotic from hondas point of view because like you said, with so little experience he wouldn't have been able to make as much progress as Hayden could. but nicky said himself that the bike didn't really change all that much through the year, certainly not as much as he was inclined to think it would. I wasn't making reference to the idea of dani being development rider but to suggest his results might have been better if he had the newer chassis which was smaller and could enter corners better.


i see, dani's is modified for his stature anyway though... but yeah. i agree