Hayden post crash interview

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 11 2007, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi dead,

I still don't think it was a "racing incident" but rather blind envy, but hey, we all make mistakes.

So you believe that pedrosa was so mad at being beaten by his team mate that he made an unrealistic passing effort and got it way wrong?

or have i misunderstood.

I can't believe people are still talking about this.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 11 2007, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So you believe that pedrosa was so mad at being beaten by his team mate that he made an unrealistic passing effort and got it way wrong?
Yes. See the plethora of other post on this subject. (As Marisa pointed out, there are plenty).

hahaha ..... Haydos can't pronouce especially... he says "ex-specially"... hahahhaaaaaaaaaa

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Feb 11 2007, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I still have the opinion that Nicky was not too angry at Pedrosa. Reason? If you watch the race closely not as a fan of any particular rider you will see something that adds a new dimension to the whole "incident". Hayden was behind Pedrosa which probably did not please him very much. He made a very aggressive pass on Pedrosa, which if you were not watching with Hayden colored glasses you would see it for what it was, unneccessarily risky and aggressive. I think Pedrosa meant to retaliate with an equally aggressive pass, but he cocked it up. It may be that Hayden understood this dynamic and this is the reason he did not immediately throttle Pedrosa.
Interesting. But from my vantage point, it looked to me that Hayden was pretty pissed off at Pedrosa. "Unnecessarily risky and aggressive"? Uhm, are we talking about the same penultimate round where the championship hung in the balance?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Feb 12 2007, 02:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I still have the opinion that Nicky was not too angry at Pedrosa. Reason? If you watch the race closely not as a fan of any particular rider you will see something that adds a new dimension to the whole "incident". Hayden was behind Pedrosa which probably did not please him very much. He made a very aggressive pass on Pedrosa, which if you were not watching with Hayden colored glasses you would see it for what it was, unneccessarily risky and aggressive. I think Pedrosa meant to retaliate with an equally aggressive pass, but he cocked it up. It may be that Hayden understood this dynamic and this is the reason he did not immediately throttle Pedrosa.

It amuses me to see the Haydenites (not a misspell it means an ardent fan of Nicky hayden) become agitated at the perception that hayden is no longer Honda's number one son, usurped by the upstart Spaniard. Where were the cries of foul when Nicky Hayden was seemingly given carte blanche by Honda. By all reckoning Colin Edwards deserved a factory Honda ride but he was not. I do believe that he has been displaced by Pedrosa for one simple reason. They looked to Hayden as their future standard bearer here in the U.S.A.. He had the looks, he was politically correct, and most of all he never criticised Honda. Honda are probably scratching their heads as to why Hayden is not more popular than he is especially after winning the championship. This is not meant to diminish Haydens accomplishment in any way. He is the legitemate champion until someone beats him. I am a Rossi fan all the way and I am happy to see someone else take the title. I think it gives Rossi the opportunity to further prove his greatness, not that he needs to. He won on Honda which was the best bike. When people said he won only because of Honda he left for Yamaha and still won, although not as easily. The reason for this is simple, the yamaha is not as good a bike so he has no cushion for error like he did with the Honda. I believe he will be motivated like never before. Let the best man win.
excellent post and i agree 100%, you will probably be labled a mindless cheerleader by some tho.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 12 2007, 06:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Interesting. But from my vantage point, it looked to me that Hayden was pretty pissed off at Pedrosa. "Unnecessarily risky and aggressive"? Uhm, are we talking about the same penultimate round where the championship hung in the balance?
when you think about it ,you couldnt see who hayden was shouting at,we just assumed it was asimo,when more than likely (as pointed out in another thread) it could just as easly have been the marshals who were the target of haydens amotions,because they ran over to help asimo not the cruisin caretaker.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 11 2007, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It shows Hayden is a genuine person with good values. I respect him more for it. Burky said on another thread that perhaps what people say gets back to the riders, and I think he recognizes this when he tells them that they have been expecting him to roll over. He also recognizes that whatever he says there will always be people who will say its all wrong. He seems a down to earth guy that recognizes the reality of the world he lives in and the politics of the sport. It was also refreshing to see he didn't take the company line and placed an absence of leadership with Honda and not with Pedrosa. I wonder if interviews like this improve his image with the Rossi base, like the ones on this forum? I wonder... One thing I will add, is that Hayden seems “very” fair with Pedrosa, much more civil than I would be, and I'm not the guy who got torpedoed by him; so I think if he can give the guy a break, then I feel moved myself a bit to give him a break also.

Hayden is a decent individual first, and a great champion as well.
I couldn't agree more!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 11 2007, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi dead,

So being a "World" champ "proves" that your are fantastic? And being a fan is a life long blind commitment? Uhm, have you heard of athletes that do stupid stuff? Should people continue to be their "fan" through thick and thin regardless of their human decency as long as they are winning? I don't think so. I think this is exactly what allows some pros to be jerks, because their teams and fans stick by them when instead they should be giving them the boot for failing to be a decent human being. Fanmanship is given, that's for sure, but I also think its earned. I don't think it was a simple "racing incident". Many disagree with me but others don’t. So what, is their opinion any more valid than mine? But I will tell you this, after seeing the interview; I was moved to cut Pedrosa alittle more slack. I have said many times, I think Pedrosa is a jerk, but now I've reconsidered a bit. I'm not gonna go send the guy flowers, but to an extent I can say let by gones be by gones. I still don't think it was a "racing incident" but rather blind envy, but hey, we all make mistakes.

when did i say that being a fan was a lifelong commitment? as i said before i am a fan because i choose to be and if in any way did i think that the portugal incident was anything but accidental i would have a very different opinion, despite dani being my favourite rider. being a fan doesnt mean im blind to all his mistakes you will have to ask the rossi worshippers about that.

'regardless of their human decency'. i dont like where you are going with that phrase. if you are implying that dani is not a decent and fair rider then im afraid i beg to differ. yes i agree that some pros are 'jerks' - look at lorenzo in 250's, there is a perfect example of a very talented racer that is a completely 'undecent' (for lack of a better term) person. im definately not a fan of his and he wins. yes you are right people have to earn their fans whether they are athletes, musicians, actors etc. and i believe that dani has done that.

im fine with you not believing it was an accident but its remarks like 'I think Pedrosa is a jerk' that i cant stand. on what basis do you think that? what has he ever done/ said to anyone that was so offensive? dani is the most protective, quiet member of the paddock. or is that the problem? his so-called 'lack of personality' is why many people do not like him, but that doesnt make him a jerk. i genuinely dont understand how you can have that opinion so please enlighten me (am im NOT being sarcastic here).and why did that video make you reconsider your opinion of dani? im curious.

of course your opinion is just as valid as any others, i didnt say or imply that it wasnt. as long as you have valid reasons for your opinion i enjoy having debates like these with people, its interesting to see what other people think.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Feb 12 2007, 02:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I still have the opinion that Nicky was not too angry at Pedrosa. Reason? If you watch the race closely not as a fan of any particular rider you will see something that adds a new dimension to the whole "incident". Hayden was behind Pedrosa which probably did not please him very much. He made a very aggressive pass on Pedrosa, which if you were not watching with Hayden colored glasses you would see it for what it was, unneccessarily risky and aggressive. I think Pedrosa meant to retaliate with an equally aggressive pass, but he cocked it up. It may be that Hayden understood this dynamic and this is the reason he did not immediately throttle Pedrosa.

It amuses me to see the Haydenites (not a misspell it means an ardent fan of Nicky hayden) become agitated at the perception that hayden is no longer Honda's number one son, usurped by the upstart Spaniard. Where were the cries of foul when Nicky Hayden was seemingly given carte blanche by Honda. By all reckoning Colin Edwards deserved a factory Honda ride but he was not. I do believe that he has been displaced by Pedrosa for one simple reason. They looked to Hayden as their future standard bearer here in the U.S.A.. He had the looks, he was politically correct, and most of all he never criticised Honda. Honda are probably scratching their heads as to why Hayden is not more popular than he is especially after winning the championship. This is not meant to diminish Haydens accomplishment in any way. He is the legitemate champion until someone beats him. I am a Rossi fan all the way and I am happy to see someone else take the title. I think it gives Rossi the opportunity to further prove his greatness, not that he needs to. He won on Honda which was the best bike. When people said he won only because of Honda he left for Yamaha and still won, although not as easily. The reason for this is simple, the yamaha is not as good a bike so he has no cushion for error like he did with the Honda. I believe he will be motivated like never before. Let the best man win.

second that. and if not winning the title means he wont leave motogp, let him never win it again! it would be such a shame for him to go to cars.

'haydenites' LOL! there is certainly not a #1 rider in the repsol garage anymore thats for sure...

I think the portugal crash had been brewing for ages. remember them passing each other at sachsenring and brno, it was hard stuff. Haydens pass on perdosa was hard, and hayden says that dani let off the brakes and tried to get in first. And in retrospect its easy to say that the hondas shouldn't have been fighting each other like this. And for that, they, and the management are both equally guilty. but i am still fairly sure that dani wasn't even planning to pass hayden at that time and the mistake was just seriously unfortunate.

As for honda making dani their number one, i am not sure that is the case. I think they will do what they normally do and wait for a rider to emerge as a superior title contender, and get behind them. As for the new bike being just for pedrosa and a total blow to nicky. How much stupider would honda look building a bike that fitted nicky really great, but was too big for melandri, elias, pedrosa and their entire squad of tallented 250cc rider waiting for their turn. You know it makes sense.

Jumkie, i have to point out that your comments regarding changing your mind about pedrosa based on nicky's interview really does make you appear to be a blind follower.

And dead things, i am amused by your comments regarding lorenzo, classic pedrosa fan picks up lorenzo hatred, funny stuff.

i dont hate lorenzo - just dislike him with a passion LOL. but yeah, obviously for the reasons you think, he wasnt nice about dani at all nor anyone else for that matter! he chucks his teddies out of the pram too often for my liking but i cant deny he can ride a bike.

i didnt say dani was #1 i said there wasnt one. but honda love dani and its only natural he will eventually be it. besides, unfortunately, i dont think hayden will get another championship win

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stop_killing_dead_things @ Feb 12 2007, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i dont hate lorenzo - just dislike him with a passion LOL. but yeah, obviously for the reasons you think, he wasnt nice about dani at all nor anyone else for that matter! he chucks his teddies out of the pram too often for my liking but i cant deny he can ride a bike.

i didnt say dani was #1 i said there wasnt one. but honda love dani and its only natural he will eventually be it. besides, unfortunately, i dont think hayden will get another championship win

I agree with what is written here. And i see many reasons why people hate Lorenzo, he is a bit full of himself, and he does get moody when he looses. Not to mention that he doesn't especially like Pedrosa. Remember when he crashed trying to pass him and then Dani won the race despite a bent exhaust

I just think he is hugely entertaining, a fantastically tallented rider,and one who i have been excited by since his very first race. I can't wait for him and dani to go head to head again, it'll be interesting to say the least.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 12 2007, 01:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>when you think about it ,you couldnt see who hayden was shouting at,we just assumed it was asimo,when more than likely (as pointed out in another thread) it could just as easly have been the marshals who were the target of haydens amotions,because they ran over to help asimo not the cruisin caretaker.
Wow, Roger, I think you out did yourself. You win the ultimate Spin award. You must be kidding. That is perhaps the most ........ assessment I have ever heard and I doubt anybody in their right mind would agree with you. He was clearly pissed at Pedrosa. Even you admitted that in past threads. I see you are trying to rewrite history. But man this is sure ridiculous. Hey, maybe the crash didn’t happen and we all just imagined it.

I could see this happening. Im going to Laguna and throw a banana peel in front of the #26 bike. $50 bucks that no will help DP.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 12 2007, 04:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie, i have to point out that your comments regarding changing your mind about pedrosa based on nicky's interview really does make you appear to be a blind follower.
Oh ok. I will continue to hate Pedrosa then....

The guy who got injured the most from Pedrosa's blind envy is willing to cut the guy a break, and you don't think that is significant? Oh wait a minute, maybe you are gonna come back with the typical "where did I say that" or “I didn’t say that” while suggesting it all the while. What is the point of discussing, following, debating, if never we are moved to adjust and amend our thoughts on issue and the sport? I distinctly recall you backing down when you got all crapped on by roger when discussing Hayden. When in fact you had the better argument. Would you call that succumbing to blind following, or just a weak ability to carry your point? Uhm, ok, you convinced me, we should all just stick to our guns, right, but you didn’t. If you recall on the thread talking about Pedrosa’s Attitude, I said I would be open to seeing what he was really made of regarding what I though about him and would be watching intently. This was a while back (way before seeing this interview), but you may have missed it since when we were talking about Schwantz you dropped of the radar. So I ask you, why do we read and tune into what these guys say in interviews then twist what they say and make up our own opinions about what is spoken and the nuances of what is omitted, if in fact what they say produces no affect?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ Feb 12 2007, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I could see this happening. Im going to Laguna and throw a banana peel in front of the #26 bike. $50 bucks that no will help DP.
Hahah, that's funny. Hey, BTW is that a picture of David Bowie after lasik surgery?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 12 2007, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What is the point of discussing, following, debating, if never we are moved to adjust and amend our thoughts on issue and the sport?

I distinctly recall you backing down when you got all crapped on by roger when discussing Hayden.

mabe he didnt "back down" he just "moved to adjust his thoughts" unlike someone else i no who is never "moved to adjust and amend our thoughts on issue and the sport? "

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stop_killing_dead_things @ Feb 11 2007, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>because it was just a racing incident - it happens! he's still a fantastic rider - being three times world champion kinda proves that! besides, being a fan means you stick with them throughout, you cant just pick and chose when to support them

3 time support class champ I recall.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 12 2007, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>mabe he didnt "back down" he just "moved to adjust his thoughts
Ok, I'll buy that, so, am I allowed the same leeway? Maybe I was a bit harsh on Tom, maybe not. But its not the first time I've seen or read the interview. And that is certainly not the only take on the incident that has been put out on the air. But for sure Hayden's take on the issue carries a unique perspective that the rest of us fall short of having, which is the point when we tune in to see these guys talk about whatever.

But like Hayden said, no matter what is said there will always be guys that twist and scrutinize it all wrong. Like some people I know who's name starts and ends with an "r"...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 12 2007, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh ok. I will continue to hate Pedrosa then....

The guy who got injured the most from Pedrosa's blind envy is willing to cut the guy a break, and you don't think that is significant? Oh wait a minute, maybe you are gonna come back with the typical "where did I say that" or “I didn’t say that” while suggesting it all the while. What is the point of discussing, following, debating, if never we are moved to adjust and amend our thoughts on issue and the sport? I distinctly recall you backing down when you got all crapped on by roger when discussing Hayden. When in fact you had the better argument. Would you call that succumbing to blind following, or just a weak ability to carry your point? Uhm, ok, you convinced me, we should all just stick to our guns, right, but you didn’t. If you recall on the thread talking about Pedrosa’s Attitude, I said I would be open to seeing what he was really made of regarding what I though about him and would be watching intently. This was a while back (way before seeing this interview), but you may have missed it since when we were talking about Schwantz you dropped of the radar. So I ask you, why do we read and tune into what these guys say in interviews then twist what they say and make up our own opinions about what is spoken and the nuances of what is omitted, if in fact what they say produces no affect?
Hahah, that's funny. Hey, BTW is that a picture of David Bowie after lasik surgery?

Hey dude, i have thoght about what a said about your "blind following" and have changed my mind, based on this.

Your opinion is naturally going to based on the best evidence you can get on the situation. And i can imagine that not many people know more about what happened that day then Nicky does. As a result his evidence is valuable to your judgement and makes it acceptable toalter your opinions. So fair enough.

Out of interest when was this i backed down or got "crapped out" by roger, not denying or challanging anything, just interested.

Tom

Also, the worth of a 250cc world title is debatable sometimes. I mean, Yes pedrosa did an excellent job to win both his titles, and i feel proved himself to be an excellent rider. But i would not say the same for Poggiali for example. So i would say that he world titles alone do not prove dani to be an excellent rider. But he has more than proved himself.