Hayden - most undeserved champ of all times?

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 20 2008, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Austin, why are you being suckered into a legit debate? Take another look man.
Because I want him to know he's full of ..... We all know it but he seems to think he's fooling us. I want him to understand he wouldn't know a tire warmer from a pocket ......
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#22 @ Oct 20 2008, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wont go as far as saying these comments piss me off...
22 (Is this for Roger Hayden?)

You are wasting your time; Tamada6 is our resident troll who undermines the forum by appearing with different alias.

You post is very well thought out, but really, you are not convincing nobody (most already agree) we all already know. But thanks for the effort.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 20 2008, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can't believe I forgot to mention this. Anyone who knows the intricacies of this sport understands that Tamada's wins in 2004 were anomalies. The fact is Tamada was the only Bridgestone rider who had a race-winning bike. As I recall, Rio was a Bridgestone track and Motegi certainly has been a Bridgestone stronghold since 2004, winning every race there since that season.

What's next Pinky/27/Tamada? I'm still yawning.

unfortunately for hayden's fans facts said this:

tamada has 2 wins on customer honda in one proper season.
Hayden has 3 wins on repsol honda in 6 seasons.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 20 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Because I want him to know he's full of ..... We all know it but he seems to think he's fooling us. I want him to understand he wouldn't know a tire warmer from a pocket ......
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I hear you. Just checking, since it sounded like you were actually having a conversation with him.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 20 2008, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>22 (Is this for Roger Hayden?)

You are wasting your time; Tamada6 is our resident troll who undermines the forum by appearing with different alias.

You post is very well thought out, but really, you are not convincing nobody (most already agree) we all already know. But thanks for the effort.

Thanks Jumkie, wasn't aware of that.

Nope, #22 is my race number. Though I wasn't aware Roger Hayden ran the same!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Oct 20 2008, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hayden won 2, not 3, races in 2006 and one of that two was colin's gift. rossi won 5 and had technical related dnf's in shanghai, le mans and laguna. hayden's mechanical dnf's? none.

All races are worth the same amount of points, so each has equal significance to the outcome. Obviously Rossi had results where the outcome was out of his hands, but he also had poor results that where within his control which were equally significant.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Oct 20 2008, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>unfortunately for hayden's fans facts said this:

tamada has 2 wins on customer honda in one proper season.
Hayden has 3 wins on repsol honda in 6 seasons.

Tamada was in his second season in 04.

If you're going to be a ..., atleast get some facts straight
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 20 2008, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>22 (Is this for Roger Hayden?)
Tommy runs 22 Jum, Rog is 95.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Oct 20 2008, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>unfortunately for hayden's fans facts said this:

tamada has 2 wins on customer honda in one proper season.
Hayden has 3 wins on repsol honda in 6 season.
That's a fantastic use of google Tamada san and I'm also very proud of you not only reading those facts, but copy/pasting them into the forum. You must teach computer literacy courses.

However, are you going to respond to my allegation that Tamada's wins are based solely on the Honda RC211V and Bridgestone's superiority in fly-away rounds in 2004, 2005 and 2006?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Oct 20 2008, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>but he also had poor results that where within his control which were equally significant.

where except in valencia?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 20 2008, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can't believe I forgot to mention this. Anyone who knows the intricacies of this sport understands that Tamada's wins in 2004 were anomalies. The fact is Tamada was the only Bridgestone rider who had a race-winning bike. As I recall, Rio was a Bridgestone track and Motegi certainly has been a Bridgestone stronghold since 2004, winning every race there since that season.

Haydens victories in 2006 could be considered equally anolalous. Neither were "usual" circumstances, but in any given race (and championship for that matter) the winner is he who copes best with the circumstances presented.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 20 2008, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tommy runs 22 Jum, Rog is 95.


That's a fantastic use of google Tamada san and I'm also very proud of you not only reading those facts, but copy/pasting them into the forum. You must teach computer literacy courses.

However, are you going to respond to my allegation that Tamada's wins are based solely on the Honda RC211V and Bridgestone's superiority in fly-away rounds in 2004, 2005 and 2006?

no sucker because bridgestone isn't superior in rio. google isn't necessary to know that.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Oct 20 2008, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no sucker because bridgestone isn't superior in rio. google isn't necessary to know that.
You don't think so? Bridgestone dominating fly-away rounds did not apply to Rio, located in Brazil? That's a coincidence? I suppose it's also a coincidence Tamada is floundering unnoticed on some private Kawasaki ZX-10 while Hayden will move to one of the most storied factories in motorcycle history.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 20 2008, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>while Hayden will move to one of the most storied factories in motorcycle history.

melandri had same honor year ago.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Oct 20 2008, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>compare kwak performances in rio with that at motegi.
Nakano got a third at Motegi and a ninth at Rio. Nakano was 13 seconds adrift at Twin Ring and a further 14 back at Rio in a group that also featured Bridgestone shod Kenny Roberts Jr. All the while at Motegi, Roberts was nowhere.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Oct 20 2008, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>melandri had same honor year ago.
Melandri doesn't have a Rookie of the Year title. Nor a world championship.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 20 2008, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nakano got a third at Motegi and a ninth at Rio. Nakano was 13 seconds adrift at Twin Ring and a further 14 back at Rio in a group that also featured Bridgestone shod Kenny Roberts Jr. All the while at Motegi, Roberts was nowhere.

rio:

MotoGP
Race Classification MotoGP (24 laps = 118.392 km)
Pos/ Rider / Nat / Team / Motorcycle / Time/ KM/H
1 / Makoto TAMADA / JPN / Camel Honda / HONDA / 44'21.976 / 160.110
2 / Max BIAGGI / ITA / Camel Honda / HONDA / 44'23.995 / 159.989
3 / Nicky HAYDEN / USA / Repsol Honda Team / HONDA / 44'27.740 / 159.764
4 / Loris CAPIROSSI / ITA / Ducati Marlboro Team / DUCATI / 44'33.121 / 159.443
5 / Alex BARROS / BRA / Repsol Honda Team / HONDA / 44'34.927 / 159.335
6 / Colin EDWARDS / USA / Telefonica Movistar Honda Mot / HONDA / 44'35.880 / 159.278

bridgestone superior with 5 Mic's in top 6? no, tamada beat biaggi fair and square.

motegi:

MotoGP Results:
1. Makoto Tamada (Honda)
2. Valentino Rossi (Yamaha)
3. Shinya Nakano (Kawasaki)
4. Alex Barros (Honda)
5. Marco Melandri (Yamaha)
6. Sete Gibernau, (Honda)

bridgestone superior? yes, nakano proved that.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#22 @ Oct 20 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thanks Jumkie, wasn't aware of that.

Nope, #22 is my race number. Though I wasn't aware Roger Hayden ran the same!
He doesn't, his other brother Tommy does. As Mr. fact finder Austin reminded me. Dop. Yes, of course, I meant Tommy.

Austin, are you high? Pinky is a monkey.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 20 2008, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Melandri doesn't have a Rookie of the Year title. Nor a world championship.

so shame for first corner at catalunya06. but at least he have more wins on satellite than hayden on factory bike.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 20 2008, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He doesn't, his other brother Tommy does. As Mr. fact finder Austin reminded me. Dop. Yes, of course, I meant Tommy.
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