Hayden - most undeserved champ of all times?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Oct 19 2008, 03:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you guys are giving me more credit than i deserve. i have no idea what you guys are on about. prob 27 is from a another country, year sure i could do what u say, but i prob cant fly to another country in 2 minutes.

the point of my self exclusion was

1. hayden would be a failure on the ducati

2. ducati would make a huge mistake to sign him, coz it would be 100 times harder to get rid of him.

thus if he becomes a flop <u>i will return</u>

Hey .... face, your not keeping your word. YOU HAVE RETURNED

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Oct 19 2008, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How many threads are you gonna post the same statement on?
Two, ...... Mc ......

Oi 27 you come here with a photo and quote from that .... on your profile and expect us to take you seriously,.... off

I actually appriciate The picture of fagberto "the child molester" puig now i got something to shoot at every time i go to gun range.

At the end of the seasons Nicky had the most points. He won three races and was consistent throughout the entire year. How is he not deserving. He is one of the top five riders out there, which makes him very good. Also if he wasnt that good, why would Ducati sign him

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Oct 18 2008, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>#27 anit me nor have i made any other profiles.

i think ben can confirm that.

but while i'm here, i must say that hayden will be an absolute flop next year. when he does, i will be back here to enjoy it. untill then, its back to my hibernation status.


Pinky,

What part of "never to return" don't you get!

I don't care if Hayden gets last place! Under no circumstances are you to return.

The bet was not based on Hayden's performance but on Ducati"s Decision to sign him.

Get over it, you loser! Save some face!

Bye!

I apologize to the forum. I made the mistake of trying to reason with Pinky. Now look how this thread has clicked up posts. I’m thinking the joke is on us. Pinky/27 (ad what ever future alias he will use) doesn’t deserve our thoughtful responses. It was obvious this thread was started on a trolling premise, and we all bit. Would you carry on a reasonable conversation with a monkey?

No more from me. From know on I only have jokes and giant crap piles for this .... head.

This thread just simply isn't worth any more consideration; not just because as we all know the troll under the bridge is Pinky; not just because there is no such thing as an undeserved champion; and not just because Uncini and Luccineli would be the immediate candidates to spring to mind were this in fact the case. This thread is not worth any more consideration because it's well trodden ground which has been so comprehensively mapped and charted that even someone as lacking in intelligence and imagination as Pinky/#27 must feel ultimately uninspired revisiting it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yello13 @ Oct 18 2008, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Many DSL providers give their customers dynamic IP addresses that change every time the modem is rebooted. I know mine does.
that's right and you only generally get a static ip if you are on cable or you pay for it but this dynamic ip will be between a specific range due to your router mac address. you not as Anonymous as you think

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C-Burg @ Oct 20 2008, 04:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>At the end of the seasons Nicky had the most points. He won three races and was consistent throughout the entire year. How is he not deserving. He is one of the top five riders out there, which makes him very good. Also if he wasnt that good, why would Ducati sign him

ducati also signed melandri

hayden won 2, not 3, races in 2006 and one of that two was colin's gift. rossi won 5 and had technical related dnf's in shanghai, le mans and laguna. hayden's mechanical dnf's? none.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Oct 20 2008, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ducati also signed melandri

hayden won 2, not 3, races in 2006 and one of that two was colin's gift. rossi won 5 and had technical related dnf's in shanghai, le mans and laguna. hayden's mechanical dnf's? none.
I suppose we're supposed to believe you are a new member? I can't honestly believe there are two fans of low-level Japanese riders who also rag on Hayden.

Yawn.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 19 2008, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I apologize to the forum. I made the mistake of trying to reason with Pinky. Now look how this thread has clicked up posts. I’m thinking the joke is on us. Pinky/27 (ad what ever future alias he will use) doesn’t deserve our thoughtful responses. It was obvious this thread was started on a trolling premise, and we all bit. Would you carry on a reasonable conversation with a monkey?

No more from me. From now on I only have jokes and giant crap piles for this .... head.

Tamada6

LOCK

As is in life, one ....... always screws it up for the prudent. A self-imposed ban is not a ban, but this mockery on authentic membership may be fast approaching this situation.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 20 2008, 09:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I suppose we're supposed to believe you are a new member? I can't honestly believe there are two fans of low-level Japanese riders who also rag on Hayden.

Yawn.


sucker, one of that two "low-level Japanese" in 2004 scores equal number of wins on customer bike as hayden did in 2006. and unlike colin donated assen06 win to hayden, tamada win rio and motegi in 04 fair & square.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 20 2008, 09:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tamada6

LOCK

As is in life, one ....... always screws it up for the prudent.
as you know im all for freedom of speech and expression but this usage of multi forum id's just to troll is getting ridiculous imo. its also the sign of a coward and i have no time for cowards. some members have indicated that they may not visit this site as often in the future because of this cancer that has infected our forum.
i ask for the good of the forum and its members that the moderating team look into this usage of multi id's to troll before to much damage is done.

thank you in anticipation rog..
who's with me ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Oct 20 2008, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>sucker, one of that two "low-level Japanese" in 2004 scores equal number of wins on customer bike as hayden did in 2006. and unlike colin donated assen06 win to hayden, tamada win rio and motegi in 04 fair & square.
Yet Tamada never came close to competing for a world championship, much less winning one, and now finds himself riding for Kawasaki in WSBK. And as far as I know, not a factory Kawasaki effort either. While Hayden will become a factory rider for Ducati in MotoGP.

Yawn. At least debate me with something worth my time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Oct 20 2008, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>sucker, one of that two "low-level Japanese" in 2004 scores equal number of wins on customer bike as hayden did in 2006. and unlike colin donated assen06 win to hayden, tamada win rio and motegi in 04 fair & square.

I wont go as far as saying these comments piss me off, because thats just what sad losers who have nothing better to do than to try and get a rise out of genuine forum losers do. My advice? Go lay on a train track somewhere, or try and write someting intelligent and constructive. I swear I had a pet pigeon that was more intelligent than you.
But, I would like to add my two pence worth to the Nicky debate and admist I might be biased as i'm a fan but lets look at a few things.

Nicky was not 'gifted' the win in Assen 2006. He fought hard all race with Edwards and although he also went off, Edwards crashed in exactly the same way Stoner has crashed while leading Rossi this year, or Pedrosa crashed while leading in Germany. By your argument Rossi, Stoner and virtually every winning rider on the grid has been 'gifted' a victory right? Well guess what, thats racing! Sometimes you eat the bar and sometimes it eats you. Sure you get gifted results sometimes but thats why its called racing and not a parade as no-one knows what will happen. Plus by your argument Edwards was gifted the podium at Assen this year by Haydens bike failure.

Also people why say he was an undeserving champion in 2006 are talking total bollocks! Ok I agree that Hayden doesnt have the raw talent Rossi has but he totally deserved the championship that year because.

1. In the preseason and during it he did more testing laps that any other rider, while Rossi was (and i'm being frank here) being cocky and testing Ferrari F1 cars etc.
2. He did not fall or crash and finished every race of the season bar Estoril
3. He, along with Honda did a better job than the Rossi/Yamaha combo over the season by building a bike that didn't have chatter problems, didn't overheat in traffic and didnt keep blowing up
4. When he wasn't at the front he kept the bike on the track and picking up points, who the hell thinks you should only win championships if you win ten million races a season? Thats ........
5. Finally, Valencia 2006. The title went down to the wire and Hayden totally whipped Rossi's butt that day and then Rossi dropped the bike.

And, like someone else said on here, the history books are all that matters and at the end of the day they say the 2006 champion is NICKY HAYDEN.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 20 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yawn. At least debate me with something worth my time.

Austin, I spend ages typing a reply and then you undermine me with a one liner like that.

Pure class!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 20 2008, 01:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yet Tamada...
Yawn. At least debate me with something worth my time.
Austin, why are you being suckered into a legit debate? Take another look man.

I can't believe I forgot to mention this. Anyone who knows the intricacies of this sport understands that Tamada's wins in 2004 were anomalies. The fact is Tamada was the only Bridgestone rider who had a race-winning bike. As I recall, Rio was a Bridgestone track and Motegi certainly has been a Bridgestone stronghold since 2004, winning every race there since that season.

What's next Pinky/27/Tamada? I'm still yawning.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#22 @ Oct 20 2008, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wont go as far as saying these comments piss me off, because thats just what sad losers who have nothing better to do than to try and get a rise out of genuine forum losers do. My advice? Go lay on a train track somewhere, or try and write someting intelligent and constructive. I swear I had a pet pigeon that was more intelligent than you.
But, I would like to add my two pence worth to the Nicky debate and admist I might be biased as i'm a fan but lets look at a few things.

Nicky was not 'gifted' the win in Assen 2006. He fought hard all race with Edwards and although he also went off, Edwards crashed in exactly the same way Stoner has crashed while leading Rossi this year, or Pedrosa crashed while leading in Germany. By your argument Rossi, Stoner and virtually every winning rider on the grid has been 'gifted' a victory right? Well guess what, thats racing! Sometimes you eat the bar and sometimes it eats you. Sure you get gifted results sometimes but thats why its called racing and not a parade as no-one knows what will happen. Plus by your argument Edwards was gifted the podium at Assen this year by Haydens bike failure.

Also people why say he was an undeserving champion in 2006 are talking total bollocks! Ok I agree that Hayden doesnt have the raw talent Rossi has but he totally deserved the championship that year because.

1. In the preseason and during it he did more testing laps that any other rider, while Rossi was (and i'm being frank here) being cocky and testing Ferrari F1 cars etc.
2. He did not fall or crash and finished every race of the season bar Estoril
3. He, along with Honda did a better job than the Rossi/Yamaha combo over the season by building a bike that didn't have chatter problems, didn't overheat in traffic and didnt keep blowing up
4. When he wasn't at the front he kept the bike on the track and picking up points, who the hell thinks you should only win championships if you win ten million races a season? Thats ........
5. Finally, Valencia 2006. The title went down to the wire and Hayden totally whipped Rossi's butt that day and then Rossi dropped the bike.

And, like someone else said on here, the history books are all that matters and at the end of the day they say the 2006 champion is NICKY HAYDEN.

rossi, stoner, etc. maybe sometimes gain race win as s gift. hayden get championship.