Hayden - most undeserved champ of all times?

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Oct 20 2008, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>rio:

MotoGP
Race Classification MotoGP (24 laps = 118.392 km)
Pos/ Rider / Nat / Team / Motorcycle / Time/ KM/H
1 / Makoto TAMADA / JPN / Camel Honda / HONDA / 44'21.976 / 160.110
2 / Max BIAGGI / ITA / Camel Honda / HONDA / 44'23.995 / 159.989
3 / Nicky HAYDEN / USA / Repsol Honda Team / HONDA / 44'27.740 / 159.764
4 / Loris CAPIROSSI / ITA / Ducati Marlboro Team / DUCATI / 44'33.121 / 159.443
5 / Alex BARROS / BRA / Repsol Honda Team / HONDA / 44'34.927 / 159.335
6 / Colin EDWARDS / USA / Telefonica Movistar Honda Mot / HONDA / 44'35.880 / 159.278

bridgestone superior with 5 Mic's in top 6? no, tamada beat biaggi fair and square.

motegi:

MotoGP Results:
1. Makoto Tamada (Honda)
2. Valentino Rossi (Yamaha)
3. Shinya Nakano (Kawasaki)
4. Alex Barros (Honda)
5. Marco Melandri (Yamaha)
6. Sete Gibernau, (Honda)

bridgestone superior? yes, nakano proved that.
And you'll ignore the fact that Roberts Jr. placed seventh at Motegi in a season where he finished 19th overall?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Oct 20 2008, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haydens victories in 2006 could be considered equally anolalous. Neither were "usual" circumstances, but in any given race (and championship for that matter) the winner is he who copes best with the circumstances presented.
What was "anomalous" about Assen and Laguna in 2006? What were the "unusual" circumstances to which you refer?

Assen was a track all had seen before many times and Hayden fought to the last lap with Edwards. Mistakes were made by both, Hayden stayed on the bike to win.

Laguna was a track all had seen before in 2005 (for that year an argument could have been made that Hayden had more experience) and Hayden won by over 3 seconds from Pedrosa.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 20 2008, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And you'll ignore the fact that Roberts Jr. placed seventh at Motegi in a season where he finished 19th overall?

you mean in rio?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 20 2008, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Austin, are you high? Pinky is a monkey.
No but I am bored. And he is slowly learning.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Oct 20 2008, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>so shame for first corner at catalunya06. but at least he have more wins on satellite than hayden on factory bike.
Catalunya was a shame, I would have liked Capirossi to continue to be apart of the title chase. But that's racing.

You have a valid point, Melandri gelled well with the Gresini RC211V and did score more wins than Hayden. Unfortunately, he was never able to find that form aboard the Yamaha, nor any 800cc machine.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Oct 20 2008, 04:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you mean in rio?
Yes, thank you for pointing out my mistake.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Oct 20 2008, 10:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What was "anomalous" about Assen and Laguna in 2006? What were the "unusual" circumstances to which you refer?

rossi's wrist fracture.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 20 2008, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, thank you for pointing out my mistake.

rossi and gibernau dibn't finish that race. that's the reason why i igrored roberts 7th place.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 20 2008, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No but I am bored. And he is slowly learning.


Catalunya was a shame, I would have liked Capirossi to continue to be apart of the title chase. But that's racing.

You have a valid point, Melandri gelled well with the Gresini RC211V and did score more wins than Hayden. Unfortunately, he was never able to find that form aboard the Yamaha, nor any 800cc machine.

unlike hayden of course.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Oct 20 2008, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>rossi and gibernau dibn't finish that race. that's the reason why i igrored roberts 7th place.
That's racing. There's no +/- 2 positions depending on whether or not Rossi and Gibernau finish.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Oct 20 2008, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>unlike hayden of course.
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Hayden has five podiums to Melandri's three in the 800cc era.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 20 2008, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, thank you for pointing out my mistake.
Roger, we need another stupid "owned" picture of your ugly ... cat with cancer.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 20 2008, 09:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I suppose we're supposed to believe you are a new member? I can't honestly believe there are two fans of low-level Japanese riders who also rag on Hayden.

Yawn.
The japs can build a bike but they can't race em for ..... I liked Kato cause he had promise but it's a shame we'll never know how good he could have been. Now Haga in SBK could actually bring home a championship but he is the closest thing to going to win the big deal.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 20 2008, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's racing. There's no +/- 2 positions depending on whether or not Rossi and Gibernau finish.

no, but B isn't superior in rio.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Oct 20 2008, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no, but B isn't superior in rio.
Well I'm of a differing opinion. It's too bad it was taken off the calendar, I would have liked to see Ducati and Bridgestone take that fly-away round in 2005 as well.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 20 2008, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden has five podiums to Melandri's three in the 800cc era.

3-3 on "same" bike. if same means repsol honda vs gresini satellite .....

and 2 of that melandri's 3 podiums are second places. hayden have one second, only at his home gp.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Oct 20 2008, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hayden have one second, only at his home gp.
Home GP. A track that hasn't held a motorcycle race since 1908.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 20 2008, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Home GP. A track that hasn't held a motorcycle race since 1908.
But he had all of that extra track time to work on setup data riding the '09 bike!
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