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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bojuhl @ Sep 11 2008, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Hayden realizes he may not have the most talent but that does not fck up his desire to compete. And the Duc management realize this. They can let Stoner win championships and Let Nick fight in the top 5 and sell the .... out of Ducs in dumfuckastan (AKA USA).

I thought being second rate in a team was a lot of his current problem, but he's walking right back into it
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 11 2008, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I thought being second rate in a team was a lot of his current problem, but he's walking right back into it

theres a lot of difference between being #2 in the team and being downright despised and unwanted.

oh, and lets see how it plays out at ducati before drawing conclusions eh?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 11 2008, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I thought being second rate in a team was a lot of his current problem, but he's walking right back into it

It used to be.

Obviously, his action are verification that Honda have been working against him for some time now.

As is always the case, actions always end up verifying the "myths" circulating on this board.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 11 2008, 06:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I thought being second rate in a team was a lot of his current problem, but he's walking right back into it
If Nicky beats Stoner, Ducati will still be happy. He'll also get equal parts, which he's not getting now. His real problem is the bike design/chassis and its lack of power.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Sep 11 2008, 07:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>theres a lot of difference between being #2 in the team and being downright despised and unwanted.

oh, and lets see how it plays out at ducati before drawing conclusions eh?

Well we don't know yet how wanted he actually is at Ducati, the situation could be very similar to his time at HRC, both perhaps being the result of marketting decisions. As you said, lets see how it plays out. So far the quotes i have seen suggest Nicky is heading straight for #2 support status, but things might not work out like that.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 11 2008, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It used to be.

Obviously, his action are verification that Honda have been working against him for some time now.

As is always the case, actions always end up verifying the "myths" circulating on this board.
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People can draw numerous conclusions from the same action, they don't necessarily verify opinions to be correct or incorrect.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 11 2008, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well we don't know yet how wanted he actually is at Ducati, the situation could be very similar to his time at HRC, both perhaps being the result of marketting decisions. As you said, lets see how it plays out. So far the quotes i have seen suggest Nicky is heading straight for #2 support status, but things might not work out like that.

and do you think the reported 'family' atmosphere in the ducati garage that benefitted stoner so much in 2007 will be of great help to hayden? of all the people on the grid, i think nicky will relish being in a team where he feels his input is valued. that will be good for a few tenths per lap by itself IMO.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Sep 11 2008, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and do you think the reported 'family' atmosphere in the ducati garage that benefitted stoner so much in 2007 will be of great help to hayden?

It might do, i think it will make him more comfortable but i am still unconvinced this change will make him a front runner again. My point is that all of the the complaining people do about Haydens treatment at HRC are liable to remain at Ducati, and we will not know if his performance will drastically change either way until he hits the road.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 11 2008, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It might do, i think it will make him more comfortable but i am still unconvinced this change will make him a front runner again. My point is that all of the the complaining people do about Haydens treatment at HRC are liable to remain at Ducati, and we will not know if his performance will drastically change either way until he hits the road.

I expect him to be on the Podium on the Ducati within the first 5 races of the season, and I win before Laguna...

If he start the season exactly as he has been riding this season then Ducati need to put all their enerigies into Kallio by making Nicky swap to the second squad....

I honestly don't think Nicky will do any better than Capirossi or Marco on the 800 Ducati....but good luck to him....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 11 2008, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I thought being second rate in a team was a lot of his current problem, but he's walking right back into it
I think there's a big difference between being second on a team and being part of a second team. From what's coming out of both Suppo and Hayden, there's a lot of the latter going on at HRC and with Melandri. Moving from that to the former is a pretty big step up, and that's at least what both sides are saying they're looking for publicly.
 
I read part of the Hayden Bros. autobiography at the book store.

In it, Nicky recounts his very first test for HRC.

He took the bike out, the throttle stuck open and he crashed.

He came back into the garage, told the mechanics what happened and nobody believed him. They thought he was lying to cover up for his mistake.

It was only later that the black box proved Nicky was telling the truth.

I think that very first experience set the tone for his entire tenure at HRC; distrust on both sides of the coin; the team didn't trust Nicky to tell the truth and Nicky didn't trust the team to believe him when he did tell the truth.

Sad.

I guess the allure of a factory ride is enough to make you put up with a lot of crap.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 11 2008, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well we don't know yet how wanted he actually is at Ducati, the situation could be very similar to his time at HRC, both perhaps being the result of marketting decisions. As you said, lets see how it plays out. So far the quotes i have seen suggest Nicky is heading straight for #2 support status, but things might not work out like that.
if stoner carries on with his present form this season and starts badly next season ducati could pin there hopes on nicky if he starts well.

i hope both nicky and casey get equal treatment ,parts ect so both get the best oppitunity for a championship challange for 08. any talk of prefferentual treatment at the moment is just silly, geeze haydens duc contract isn't even official yet.

i no why they call it the silly season now, because of the silly thing's the fans say.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 12 2008, 06:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if stoner carries on with his present form this season and starts badly next season ducati could pin there hopes on nicky if he starts well.

i hope both nicky and casey get equal treatment ,parts ect so both get the best oppitunity for a championship challange for 08. any talk of prefferentual treatment at the moment is just silly, geeze haydens duc contract isn't even official yet.

i no why they call it the silly season now, because of the silly thing's the fans say.
Exactly right. But without the silliness of some people, I wouldn't get a laugh every time I read some of the fantasyspeak of some people around here.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 11 2008, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if stoner carries on with his present form this season and starts badly next season ducati could pin there hopes on nicky if he starts well.

i hope both nicky and casey get equal treatment ,parts ect so both get the best oppitunity for a championship challange for 08. any talk of prefferentual treatment at the moment is just silly, geeze haydens duc contract isn't even official yet.

i no why they call it the silly season now, because of the silly thing's the fans say.

I'm only calling possibilities. Suppo seamed to praise Nickies performance at testing and as a second rider to Dani, things I didn't think Nicky was particularly aiming for. I too hope Nicky can acheive a top level of performance next year, but there are so many un-knowns to answer following the recent form of Ducati riders, we will just have to wait and see.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Sep 11 2008, 07:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I expect him to be on the Podium on the Ducati within the first 5 races of the season, and I win before Laguna...

If he start the season exactly as he has been riding this season then Ducati need to put all their enerigies into Kallio by making Nicky swap to the second squad....

I honestly don't think Nicky will do any better than Capirossi or Marco on the 800 Ducati....but good luck to him....
I think he will do as well as Capirossi maybe a little better because of the improvements of the bike making it more normal so to speak,and because he is taller and can turn it better.But he will definitely
do better than Melandri,any one could.(Almost)
In other words top six rider with maybe more podiums than Capirossi had.I doubt he will take a win though.I think he just wants to be in a team as good as possible away from Repsol Honda and he is going to,because the Yamaha factory team is full.
 
I bet he wishes he had taken that Yamaha offer when it was on the table instead of re-signing with Honda.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 11 2008, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>People can draw numerous conclusions from the same action, they don't necessarily verify opinions to be correct or incorrect.

Well you're the one who asked why he was moving to Ducati to do the same thing he is allegedly doing for HRC.

I'm not the one with the broken theory.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 11 2008, 08:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It used to be.

Obviously, his action are verification that Honda have been working against him for some time now.

As is always the case, actions always end up verifying the "myths" circulating on this board.
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Absolutly, one had to be clairvoiant to see that Niky weren't honda's #1 rider.










Or casually watching MotoGP the two last years
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 11 2008, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Absolutly, one had to be clairvoiant to see that Niky weren't honda's #1 rider.










Or casually watching MotoGP the two last years
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BUT IT SAYS NICKY IS DUAL #1 IN HIS CONTRACT! I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
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Shall I revisit the post race discussions from 2007. I think I shall. This is going to sting a bit, Babel. Bite down on something.
 

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