Grand Prix of Qatar 2018
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Late flurry of activity in FP2 to set a banker time for Q2. Not a Honda or Yamaha in sight until Marquez. Ducati's and Zooks fill the top 5 places!
Who would bet against Dovi for the win?
1 4 italy Andrea Dovizioso Ducati 17 1'54.361
2 9 italy Danilo Petrucci Ducati 16 1'54.367 0.006
3 42 spain Alex Rins Suzuki 19 1'54.458 0.097
4 99 spain Jorge Lorenzo Ducati 16 1'54.831 0.470
5 29 italy Andrea Iannone Suzuki 20 1'54.841 0.480
6 93 spain Marc Marquez Honda 17 1'54.850 0.489
7 26 spain Dani Pedrosa Honda 18 1'54.851 0.490
8 35 united_kingdom Cal Crutchlow Honda 16 1'54.852 0.491
9 46 italy Valentino Rossi Yamaha 17 1'54.853 0.492
10 5 france Johann Zarco Yamaha 18 1'54.912 0.551
11 25 spain Maverick Viñales Yamaha 16 1'55.195 0.834
12 41 spain Aleix Espargaro Aprilia 16 1'55.236 0.875
13 53 spain Tito Rabat Ducati 18 1'55.308 0.947
14 43 australia Jack Miller Ducati 16 1'55.360 0.999
15 30 japan Takaaki Nakagami Honda 19 1'55.694 1.333
16 45 united_kingdom Scott Redding Aprilia 14 1'55.718 1.357
17 44 spain Pol Espargaro KTM 14 1'55.919 1.558
18 21 italy Franco Morbidelli Honda 17 1'55.965 1.604
19 12 switzerland Thomas Luthi Honda 16 1'56.242 1.881
20 38 united_kingdom Bradley Smith KTM 16 1'56.260 1.899
21 17 czech_republic Karel Abraham Ducati 17 1'56.394 2.033
22 55 malaysia Hafizh Syahrin Yamaha 17 1'56.454 2.093
23 19 spain Alvaro Bautista Ducati 14 1'56.990 2.629
24 10 belgium Xavier Simeon Ducati 15 1'57.765 3.404
Who would bet against Dovi for the win?
1 4 italy Andrea Dovizioso Ducati 17 1'54.361
2 9 italy Danilo Petrucci Ducati 16 1'54.367 0.006
3 42 spain Alex Rins Suzuki 19 1'54.458 0.097
4 99 spain Jorge Lorenzo Ducati 16 1'54.831 0.470
5 29 italy Andrea Iannone Suzuki 20 1'54.841 0.480
6 93 spain Marc Marquez Honda 17 1'54.850 0.489
7 26 spain Dani Pedrosa Honda 18 1'54.851 0.490
8 35 united_kingdom Cal Crutchlow Honda 16 1'54.852 0.491
9 46 italy Valentino Rossi Yamaha 17 1'54.853 0.492
10 5 france Johann Zarco Yamaha 18 1'54.912 0.551
11 25 spain Maverick Viñales Yamaha 16 1'55.195 0.834
12 41 spain Aleix Espargaro Aprilia 16 1'55.236 0.875
13 53 spain Tito Rabat Ducati 18 1'55.308 0.947
14 43 australia Jack Miller Ducati 16 1'55.360 0.999
15 30 japan Takaaki Nakagami Honda 19 1'55.694 1.333
16 45 united_kingdom Scott Redding Aprilia 14 1'55.718 1.357
17 44 spain Pol Espargaro KTM 14 1'55.919 1.558
18 21 italy Franco Morbidelli Honda 17 1'55.965 1.604
19 12 switzerland Thomas Luthi Honda 16 1'56.242 1.881
20 38 united_kingdom Bradley Smith KTM 16 1'56.260 1.899
21 17 czech_republic Karel Abraham Ducati 17 1'56.394 2.033
22 55 malaysia Hafizh Syahrin Yamaha 17 1'56.454 2.093
23 19 spain Alvaro Bautista Ducati 14 1'56.990 2.629
24 10 belgium Xavier Simeon Ducati 15 1'57.765 3.404
I'm not the one making the absurd claims that the SNS were designed for Rossi. You are. The onus is on you.
Agree on most of this, but being 15 km/h down is unacceptable for a MotoGP bike. The Yamaha grenaded at Misano. It was even much slower than the Honda.
I agree that Rossi couldn't do what Stoner did on the GP7 or any of the successor bikes. I recall reading Burgess summarising Stoner's incredible riding style - basically, a constant state of oversteer (which overcame the Ducati's reluctance to turn).
The 06 Yamaha had bad chatter issues, but they ended up reverting to an 05 frame at some point during the season which fixed the issues quickly. However, it did obviously grenade itself twice at Laguna and Le Mans.
I'll never forgive HRC for that stupidity with the "Evo" bike.
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The claims aren't absurd.
It's been talked about at length. Just because you are too lazy to use the search function doesn't mean any onus is on me. Use it. You'll find topics dedicated to it and you might actually learn something about GP 4-stroke era history that would enlighten you.
Rossi never discarded his SNS tires prior to a race, gee I wonder why.
I have this feeling that JL has something to give, I think he's sandbagging a bit.
Or maybe it's just my internal desire.
Vinales' remark says it all. Same old ragged M1. I might revise my prediction after Q2, could be Suzuki third best manufacturer.
Lastly, Marquez-Zarco, what a team that would be.
I wonder if what's being a silent statement that Pedrosa's luck as a second rider in HRC is due to his backing-sponsorship of Repsol is true. Because I think there are much better (and constant) riders out there, and I don't think that anyone would deny Honda.
Or maybe it's just my internal desire.
Vinales' remark says it all. Same old ragged M1. I might revise my prediction after Q2, could be Suzuki third best manufacturer.
Lastly, Marquez-Zarco, what a team that would be.
I wonder if what's being a silent statement that Pedrosa's luck as a second rider in HRC is due to his backing-sponsorship of Repsol is true. Because I think there are much better (and constant) riders out there, and I don't think that anyone would deny Honda.
Keep backpeddling. "Talked about at length" is different to evidence. If it's all so clear and apparent, then surely you'd be able to find some evidence? No?
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This has been discussed at great length here. SNSs were only available to a very limited number of riders and numerous of those who were denied them have pointed this disparity out. And those who got them often stated that the tires conformed to a very narrow set of specs that suited Rossi. Many journalists pointed this out as well. Nobody here is just making it up. We’re all tired of the subject and fed up with having to prove to new people what is long been established. Rossi was the one who consistently gained the advantage. And if you thought zillion dollar sports organisations don’t play favorites you would have to be extremely naive. The evidence is there for those with eyes to see.
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https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...st/aug1407motogprossibemoansmichelintactics-/
Nearly killed me searching for that. Not in the yellow pages though!!
Nearly killed me searching for that. Not in the yellow pages though!!
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There isn't anything to backpeddle on. I'm afraid your refusal to use the search function confirms your ignorance on this subject that I and others have discussed at length with evidence provided in those topics.
Rossi enjoyed tremendous advantages in MotoGP from the time he came into the top class till 2009 when they were finally all rightfully taken away from him. The end result has been he hasn't won a world title since he was 29, and has spent nearly a decade chasing that elusive 10th title that is never coming because he is an aging has-been who has no special construction tire. When he cried about the tire last season and that ........ vote came up, Mike Webb was asked by a rider if he could complain about tires and get a change made. A tire change was made because Rossi was pissy about his teammate embarrassing him. No different from the threat to quit in 2008 if he didn't get Bridgestones. No different from receiving tailor made tires from Michelin that were to his preferences.
Rossi is a cheating .... who was backed by Dorna. Put him on a level playing field like what happened after 2009, he doesn't win many races and can't win any titles. His 2 year contract extension just ...... Yamaha since they have to field the aging has-been into his 40s while taking in all of his useless technical feedback (Mr "Take's 80 Seconds to Fix the Ducati") and preventing themselves from actually moving forward as a team. No world titles for Yamaha in the foreseeable future. Race wins? Might luck into one or two. Either way Cancerous Rossi turns everything to .....
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....... boppers 
Theyre their own worst enemies.
But the good thing is ..... they always manage to remind us of how rossi sucks.
Theyre their own worst enemies.
But the good thing is ..... they always manage to remind us of how rossi sucks.
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Im beginning to think real bopposites on your comments. Who else but some misguided neglectorino would come up with the childish prattle you spurt.
Agreed. I think the way to put it is that Yamahaha screwed themselves. Nobody to blame but the decision makers on that team and in the corporate suit(es.) these first few races will surely tell if development has improved.lets see what happens.
So you boppers are now saying rossi didnt get fly in overnight tyres?.
RCV is no bopper, but rather a fair minded poster imo, and while I dislike Rossi personally after the late season 2015 imbroglio which demonstrated him to be fully complicit in the persecution of his rivals by the “bopper” element among his fandom, even I still consider him to have been a great rider in his pomp and still pretty good at age 39.
.... it, why not.
15kmh is a disadvantage yes, unacceptable would depend on the advantages of that bike over the opposition of the time and of course, the tracks involved.
No doubt, 15kmh down is a disadvantage at Mugello, Qatar and Phillip Island but if that same bike handles as if it were on rails (formerly a Yamaha trait), then at tracks like Valencia it has the advantage as a well ridden sweet handling bike is still ultra competitive. Swings and roundabouts as they say, swings and roundabouts.
Rossi has shown for years that he can win on a great handling bike over those with outright power, the issue over the last decade or so is that the gap between a powerful bike that handles like a horse cart, and a less powerful bike that handles as if on rails has diminished thus he has to fight harder to be competitive (and this does not take to account the sheer ability of the current riders)
Max Biaggi was said to get his own SNS for a period as well that were not factored on the want of Rossi and I do seem to recall that Gibbers may have as well when he was the #1 Honda guy, plus I suspect (suspect being the operative word) that HRC would have pushed heaven and earth to get special tyre treatment post the Rossi departure.
Plus, as I have often said, the sheer fact that Rossi did get a level of equipment over years that others may not have had access to is no fault of Rossi's and I reckon I would be safe in saying that there is not 1 rider past, present or future that does not want that advantage as it simply makes their job easier.
Sure they will all talk of a 'level playing field', but what they all mean is 'a level playing field for all except me, I want the best available', and who can blame them as they are sportsman first and all top sportsman have a selfish streak when participating in their chosen sport.
15kmh is a disadvantage yes, unacceptable would depend on the advantages of that bike over the opposition of the time and of course, the tracks involved.
No doubt, 15kmh down is a disadvantage at Mugello, Qatar and Phillip Island but if that same bike handles as if it were on rails (formerly a Yamaha trait), then at tracks like Valencia it has the advantage as a well ridden sweet handling bike is still ultra competitive. Swings and roundabouts as they say, swings and roundabouts.
Rossi has shown for years that he can win on a great handling bike over those with outright power, the issue over the last decade or so is that the gap between a powerful bike that handles like a horse cart, and a less powerful bike that handles as if on rails has diminished thus he has to fight harder to be competitive (and this does not take to account the sheer ability of the current riders)
Max Biaggi was said to get his own SNS for a period as well that were not factored on the want of Rossi and I do seem to recall that Gibbers may have as well when he was the #1 Honda guy, plus I suspect (suspect being the operative word) that HRC would have pushed heaven and earth to get special tyre treatment post the Rossi departure.
Plus, as I have often said, the sheer fact that Rossi did get a level of equipment over years that others may not have had access to is no fault of Rossi's and I reckon I would be safe in saying that there is not 1 rider past, present or future that does not want that advantage as it simply makes their job easier.
Sure they will all talk of a 'level playing field', but what they all mean is 'a level playing field for all except me, I want the best available', and who can blame them as they are sportsman first and all top sportsman have a selfish streak when participating in their chosen sport.
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