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What frustrates me is that it wasn't done before. It reminds me of the crane used to recover a car during a hot wet F1 race which killed that kid. When I look at the races and circuits sometimes it occurs to me off handed that intuitively something doesn't look right in some places. This turn 12 was obvious. It's like turn 3 at Laguna, can you imagine if they replaced the gravel with pavement? How did it go unaddressed so long? Anyway, as they say, someone has to get killed before anything is ever done if they actually do anything. That Jamaican player which kicked another guy in the back was banned over 9 months. Meanwhile...., I'll be curious to see who is shedding crocodile tears over "safety" on this one.

This incident reminded me of Hopkins cheating death at Assen. He hit a sponsorship sign which didn’t help.

Mdub made a great point to me, which I'll let him elaborate, he reasons that if Stoner was still riding, a corner like this would have been brought up as a major concern because Casey was very safety conscious. I totally agree with Mdub's rationale, as it speaks to Stoner's absence.

If they ever turned Laguna's off areas into tarmac, that circuit would be done for motorcycle racing forever. There's a few circuits GP uses that have more tarmac runoff than I'd like; COTA is the main one since the back straight could kill someone if they ever lose the bike because it's tarmac and then just barriers. Valencia has some tarmac, but they put the gravel traps right beyond it which is criticial for turn 1 in particular. Would prefer it if they took out the tarmac, but don't see it happening.

I don't think it got addressed for the same reason Catalunya put the tarmac down; F1. The circuits seem to be more in fear of losing F1, an admittedly extortionist event that bankrupts circuits or requires that they receive government funding to afford the hosting fee. Given the circuit is in Catalonia, instead of demanding any change, I expect GP to use the F1 layout for good instead of just forcing the ....... circuit to fix the issue. The real bothersome thing about this not being fixed is that F1 stopped using the old turn 12 almost 10 years ago. There was zero reason to not revert it back to gravel runoff since GP has been using it forever.

I agree with that, Stoner was always high on safety. I wonder if Lorenzo will speak up since he's the only one that has had safety in mind among the current riders. Or maybe Carmelo will just put a gag order out on everyone.

One thing I'd like to point out, and I've said it dozens of times here, and gotten push back from some posters when I was discussing the proclivities of the Michelins to wash out, is that low side crashes are the crashes to be far more concerned about in motorcycle racing. So much more .... can go wrong with a low side crash as these unfortunate events have proven.
 
So I am hearing they may use a chicane at corner 12 which f1 already uses because the corner was to fast or whatever. So why did they need the extra run off?

Not sure Dubs but I suspect that most other car categories may not use the chicane and as such, cars pull crowds and brings lots of dollars so they win in terms of circuits meeting their requirements (not saying I agree with the rationale of the owners however)

In Australia now, even T1 at PI has some tarmac before the gravel as the cars demanded it whilst T2 at Eastern Creek now has tarmac then grass (used to be immediately grass) and these are not the only 2.
 
surprised they can change the layout mid weekend, remember Michelin-gate at 2005 US F1 GP, saw an interview with Heir Mosley taking about it and many parties wanted to add a chicane in the last turn so they could have a full grid, but FIA wouldn't allow it as its effectivly racing on a different circuit to the one they were meant to be racing on.
I know circumstances here are very different and they will have some laps tomorrow but still seems to be a big change at very short notice for the teams and riders about a third of the track will be "new".
Also what happened today is a tragedy of course but almost every track MotoGP travels to has a corner (or more) that a similar accident could happen.... Cant just change all the corners you don't like!

Anyway, Adios Luis, you will be missed by many!
 
Not sure Dubs but I suspect that most other car categories may not use the chicane and as such, cars pull crowds and brings lots of dollars so they win in terms of circuits meeting their requirements (not saying I agree with the rationale of the owners however)

In Australia now, even T1 at PI has some tarmac before the gravel as the cars demanded it whilst T2 at Eastern Creek now has tarmac then grass (used to be immediately grass) and these are not the only 2.

The "issue" with Catalunya for F1 became the corner speed at turn 13 when you ran the now old GP layout. I say issue sarcastically because F1 is risk averse to everything, and has created a false sense of illusion regarding safety or lack thereof. In any event they started using the chicane to cut down corner speeds because they've long had a preoccupation with corner speeds getting too high at different circuits.

Meh, while I think safety needs to be considered with bike racing, the safety focus in F1 has been out of control for years. It helped generate a dangerous driving environment because the drivers think they are invincible, and everyone refuses to cede an inch anymore because of it.

GP should just push Catalunya to re-profile the corner so that the stands are back further, and the tarmac is ripped out for gravel traps again. No issue otherwise. Instead they will just go with the chicane indefinitely because GP's commitment to safety is to never really address the actual issue (such as Rossi punting a rider off the bike, or MM with the Kamikaze approach) and to figure some other way to deflect it.
 
Does the new entry to the chicane not put the riders into a braking zone directly in line with the area where Luis crashed?
 
Does the new entry to the chicane not put the riders into a braking zone directly in line with the area where Luis crashed?


Yes but with a lower entry speed and slightly more room to the point of impact.

The new corner will see riders decelerating (braking?) to enter the now sharp and short 90 degree right at the point where they were accelerating to drive through the corner where Salom fell.

In essence, yes it is the same but the dynamics of the corner are significantly different (although unfortunately, the tarmac remains and possible now a rumble strip is more in play)
 
MM with a monster pole lap.

8 tenths clear of Lorenzo in P2. Pedrosa is P3.

Well, I thought the addition of the chicane would kill the Honda. They must have figured something out with the electronics for this track because both bikes looked really, really good.
 
MM with a monster pole lap.

8 tenths clear of Lorenzo in P2. Pedrosa is P3.

Well, I thought the addition of the chicane would kill the Honda. They must have figured something out with the electronics for this track because both bikes looked really, really good.



They've said both Repsol boys have had a new engine part (must be intake or exhaust mod) and it's given both riders a big boost. Obviously now the other Honda teams are asking for the part pdq.
 
Yes this is the next installment in the series. Jumkie and I are having a lengthy conversation about it now. Even to me this is sad. I like the addition of flat track racing, but I laugh at the fact that Rossi never was a flat track racer and the next generation will grow up thinking he was great at that too. But qwhy in the .... is drifting cars in this game? Anyone know what button calls Carmello to the pit garage?

Not a button, its voice activated by saying,"motorhome now ....."
I like the tire unlock feature thats only available on Rossi's character.
Also parts upgrades are cheaper when playing him for there's no tax to pay.
It also has mini games. I like test rider. You can play as a a spectator in the box and shake your head at riders. You can also go fishing, beat your wife and send out complaints via tweet.
Theres another mini game called Gravel Trap. It remends me of Asteroids You have to find your way out of a gravel trap while Crutchlows bikes are coming at you from all angles
Great game. Despite the title I highly reccomend
 
Not a button, its voice activated by saying,"motorhome now ....."
I like the tire unlock feature thats only available on Rossi's character.
Also parts upgrades are cheaper when playing him for there's no tax to pay.
It also has mini games. I like test rider. You can play as a a spectator in the box and shake your head at riders. You can also go fishing, beat your wife and send out complaints via tweet.
Theres another mini game called Gravel Trap. It remends me of Asteroids You have to find your way out of a gravel trap while Crutchlows bikes are coming at you from all angles
Great game. Despite the title I highly reccomend

....... awesome. I was disappointed with the Dani Pedrosa sailing test trivia mini game. But I do like the relive great moments feature. You can reenact Laguna '08 or how about respiking Sete in the leg? Not your cup of tea? Then punch a frenchman in free practice may suit your liking. But everyone and I mean everyone will love to reenact "the kick" over and over again.
 
Tại sao lại mua SÚNG MỞ á»C chÃnh hãng
Súng vặn vẹo tù và là giống?

SÚNG THÃO BU LÔNG hay Ä‘Æ°Æ¡ng gá»i là súng siết bulông, máy riết bulông chuyên sá» dụng thắng báºt hay là riết vòng Ä‘ai tù và phẳng phiu hệ thống khà ká»m Ä‘á»n rồng xuể sá» dụng ở danh thiếp hiệu sữa sá»a ôtô xe pháo tải.



MÃY XIẾT á»C tù và thắng chia thÃnh những loại nÃo lÃ?

danh thiếp cứt loại súng bắn tù và nÆ°Æ¡ng nhá» ra kÃch tấc lá»— lã vuông đặng lắp vá»›i bulông, nÆ°Æ¡ng nhá» ra kÃch tấc lá»— vuông nÃo nổi cứt cứt các loại to rá» khác rau, các kÃch tấc ăn tiêu chuẩn nhÆ° sau: 3/8 inch, 1/2 inch, 3/4 inch, 1 inch, 1 1/2 inch.

DÆ°á»›i đây là bảng chia loại súng bắn tù và đặng ngÆ°á»i dùng chá»n lá»c, danh thiếp mốt khác nhau giÃu kÃch tấc lá»— vuông gắn khẩu, lá»±c siết, kiểu dáng, sá» dụng trong suốt dạo dÃi hợp nè, bá» dÃi lá»— vuông trÆ°á»ng năng ngắn khác rau. NgÆ°á»i sá» dụng nên dá»±a ra bảng nÃo thắng chá»n loại súng vặn tù và ăn nháºp nhất cho trÆ°á»ng thÃch hợp ngữ mình.



Sau đây là đơn căn số mốt Ä‘á»n rồng tốt khách khứa dÃnh tuyển lá»±a dùng:

Súng căn vặn tù và model: 44116MP hẹp là súng căn vặn tù và cở rá» nhiá»u lá»— vuông đặng gắn khẩu tuýp là 1/2 inch tổng cá»™ng gồm 21 giống huyết béng kèm cặp.



Súng vặn ốc mốt: 44118MP cÅ©ng tÆ°Æ¡ng tá»± nhÆ° loại 44116MP tuy rằng nhiên loại nÃo nhiá»u tổng quýnh quáng 23 hệt tiết phai kèm cặp và những đầu tuýp dáºn kèm là loại đầu tuýp dÃi.



Súng căn vặn ốc model 33411-040 hay 33411-050 đây là loại súng vặn vẹo ốc 1/2 inch chả nhiá»u các đầu khẩu tuýp Ä‘i kèm cặp, ngÆ°á»i dùng nhiá»u dạng sắm thêm cạc đầu tuýp phù hợp để sá» dụng, momen xoắn hạng loại súng nà là 678 N.m và 881 N.m Ä‘á»n rồng dùng cho các bulông M16,M19 tang lại.



Súng vặn tù và model 33412-050 là súng vặn ốc 1/2 inch lắm đầu vuông gắn khẩu tuýp dÃi loại nÃy xuể dùng giÃu trong suốt trÆ°á»ng ăn nháºp bulông vòng Ä‘ai tù và ở trong sâu hay là bị giá»›i kì hạn không trung buồng.

danh thiếp mốt súng vặn tù và loại 3/4 inch thÆ°á»ng sá» dụng nhÆ°: 33611-055, 33621-075, 33622-075, 64111MP, 64115MP.







Súng căn vặn tù và 1 inch thÆ°á»ng thắng sá» dụng nhÆ° sau: 33831-180, 33832-180, 33841-180C, 33851-120, 33851-250, 33852-250.









Máy vặn vẹo tù và kè tay model 37423-080 loại 1/2 inch như sau:



Máy vặn vẹo xảm lạ tay sá» dụng khà kìm nhiá»u model nhÆ° sau: 33111



cạc thứ yếu kiện bay kèm nhÆ° ống hÆ¡i model SA-2015, 799010-15 có chiá»u dÃi 15m.

Hãy liên tưởng thẳng tÃnh cho chúng tui theo số pháºn Ä‘iện thoại 0919 219 111 đặng nổi tÆ°Æ¡ng trợ và tÆ° vấn miến phà tổn.
 
....... awesome. I was disappointed with the Dani Pedrosa sailing test trivia mini game. But I do like the relive great moments feature. You can reenact Laguna '08 or how about respiking Sete in the leg? Not your cup of tea? Then punch a frenchman in free practice may suit your liking. But everyone and I mean everyone will love to reenact "the kick" over and over again.

Great feature. I especially liked the option to play Earl Hayden at 06 Valencia. Sneaking into Rossi's motorhome and pissing on his toothbrush reminded me of the old Hitman games. Here's a tip. You have to wait till Carmelo leaves and Uccio starts blowing Rossi or else you will be caught.
The Pedro sailing game is cool. You can play submarine captain Bautista and try to torpedo Pedros boat. If you play the Pedro sailing game at Jerez 2010 there's also an option to save Lorenzo as he's drowning.
 
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Thanks for the levity JKD, Mdub, and bomdiendbk1, your posts were equally hilarious.

Interesting how the layout has effected the balance between Honda and Yamaha. Viñalez looked good for a pole position then what happened? Maybe it was just a function of the Honda's favoring the new last sector, I guess. Another point, the Ducatis continue to slide down, by year's end the prediction of Lorenzo put out of the championship picture looks to be prophetic.

On another note, I was fascinated with this "journalists" in the press debrief that explained the new layout, who momentarily grew some balls and not shriveling down to Carmelo's obvious tactic (perhaps a page from Rossi) of suddenly pretending not to understand the question with the eventual result of the "reporter" giving up on the inquiry. There was one reporter who asked Carmelo to explain the decision to put up the CCTV footage of Salom's crash. Carmelo pretended not to understand the question, the reporter then folded in typical fashion. But later another reporter got up and asked a similar question, but framed it as an admonishment, even going so far as to suggest it was done to increase web traffic to the GP site, ah the irony! Carmelo of course suddenly couldn't understand English momentarily, and tried to deflect. But for once the reporter was undeterred, then framed his question again, which frankly wasn't a question at all but rather a statement of admonishment. It was an intriguing exchange.

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I say intriguing because as I've said before, the "journalistic" corps musters intestinal fortitude willy-nilly.

Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)
 
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They've used up their one per year "Testicular Fortitude" card with that question/admonishment.
 
Looking like Marquez's race since the track change but if he has a bad start it could be anyone's as dive-bombs into the chicane are a real probability. Nice to see Dani on the front row, hope he's there at the end too, whatever position. Rossi could also figure if they find the few tenths tonight. Jorge may or may not, fp4 wasn't too good for him.
 
Bitchfest!!!

MotoGP riders back the changes made to Turn 12 at Catalunya, the scene of Luis Salom's fatal Friday accident in the Moto2 class.

Indeed, pole sitter Marc Marquez stated that the race would have been cancelled if modifications were not made.

But in the post-qualifying press conference a difference of opinion emerged between world champion Jorge Lorenzo and fellow front row starters Marquez and Dani Pedrosa over the decision to also replace Turn 10, at the end of the back straight.

The modifications were unanimously agreed by the Safety Commission and meant that the MotoGP event has switched to the full F1 layout for the remainder of the weekend.

However only 10 of the 21 MotoGP riders - Marquez (Honda), Andrea Iannone (Ducati), Pol Espargaro (Yamaha), Jack Miller (Honda), Bradley Smith (Yamaha), Alvaro Bautista (Aprilia), Aleix Espargaro (Suzuki), Andrea Dovizioso (Ducati), Tito Rabat (Honda) and Cal Crutchlow (Honda) - attended the Safety Commission meeting.



“Well I think the important thing this weekend is what happened yesterday,” Lorenzo began. “Unfortunately we lost Luis and everything else is secondary. But you know after what happened yesterday, the Safety Commission decided to change the corners, together with some riders.

“I miss a little bit not to be there, as world champion and leader of the world championship. But I didn't receive any communication and I don't understand why we weren't there together, all 21 riders, to take such an important decision. To modify the track after Friday. Disappointed, but it's like this.”

Lorenzo then declared that the slower corners have 'more benefit' for the Honda riders.

“With this condition we have to manage to get the best result possible tomorrow. It's not simple for us because the first gear corners, for our bike, are not the best ones. It has much more benefit for Honda.

“But I think the safety is very important. In my opinion Turn 12 should be modified - not only yesterday but a long time before. Because we needed much more gravel to stop the rider and the bike. But in my opinion Turn 10 was not worth to be changed, but we couldn't be there to decide.”

Pressed on his comments, Lorenzo responded:

“We all have the option to go to the Safety Commission normally, but yesterday what happened [to Salom] happened so was a special occasion. Also the safety Commission normally meets in the Dorna office and yesterday it moved to the corner [Turn 12] and I didn't know anything was happening in that area.

“Also I think Dani and Valentino didn't go. We went too late. I think for me it should be the normal procedure, to communicate this special occasion for such an important decision. Not only the riders but also the teams should have the option to at least give their opinion.

“As I said, Turn 12 should have been modified before, but sometimes you just modify when something like this happens. But for example [turn 10] was not for me necessary to change and these two changes make finally our life more difficult. But if it is just for safety, I agree. But for me Turn [10] was not worth it.”

But isn't a Safety Commission meeting held at the same time at each circuit?

“If I knew they wanted to change the two corners, for sure I would go. For such an important decision and special occasion for sure I would go to at least understand and say my opinion,” Lorenzo said.

“But I didn't know anything. I thought they would keep using the same track, as changing these kind of things after starting the weekend has never happened. In my opinion we should all have been there for such an important modification.”

Lorenzo's claims were swiftly countered by Marquez, sitting next to the Yamaha rider.

“One thing is clear; every Friday we have the Safety Commission meeting at 5;30 in the same place and yesterday it was the same riders as usual. Normally we are always 9-10 riders, not every rider [attends], and I think if we have the opportunity to try to improve the safety of the tracks every rider needs to go,” Marquez said.

“Okay, at some tracks we don't speak a lot and in 15 minutes the meeting is done. But in others it's important and I think thanks to Dorna for giving us the opportunity to give our opinion about the safety.

“So yesterday we were the same riders [as usual] there. First of all we planned to cancel the race because we thought that it was a hard moment, but Carmelo called the family [of Luis Salom] and they were agreed to continue with the grand prix. I think also if Salom was here he would like to race.

“After this we planned first to change that corner [Turn 12] and the solution was difficult because we modified [the chicane] as well, we painted some of the asphalt [marking the edge of the track] to try to gain more space.

“Then, two years ago, we had already tried the different Turn [10]. Everybody was agreed that for safety it was better, but for the layout it was worse. I also agree, the other corner is more fun to ride. But in the end every rider that goes straight-on there, especially Moto2 and MotoGP, arrives in the wall or very close to the wall because there is not enough run-off.

“Last year I went wide there and I was [leaning] the bike over in the gravel and people said 'why?' It was because the wall was here [puts hand in front of face] already, so to try to stop. Looks like if nothing happens we don't need to change anything, but it's better to think about it and change before there is an accident.

“So we did it for this reason and everybody that was there was agreed."

And where and when was Friday's meeting? “Yesterday from 5:30 until 6:15 we were in the Dorna office like always. Then we moved to the corners to check everything. Because on a map is one thing and to be there is another.”

While Lorenzo is far from alone in feeling that the event could have gone ahead without the Turn 10 change, his comments about first gear corners being 'more benefit for Honda' are controversial since they will be interpreted as meaning the change was not done purely for safety.

Lorenzo had been fastest in Friday practice, on the original layout, but only 14th in FP4 prior to pulling out a front row in qualifying.

Pedrosa rejected the suggestion that the slower final sector means the new track layout favours the Honda riders.

“It is only one section. The rest of the track is the same," he said. "So if [the last sector] is better for the Hondas, we have a negative in the other parts. It is clear Honda doesn't have the best bike, in acceleration or normal corners, and I think this change doesn't mean it's bad for others because in the end the track is balanced. It's the choice of someone else to cry or not to cry. I try to think on the reality, that yesterday we lost one rider and this is above everything else.”

Earlier in the day, Dorna CEO Carmelo Ezpeleta held a press conference with FIM Safety Officer Franco Uncini, in which it was stated that there had not been any requests to change Turn 12 before the accident.

A blunt question from an Italian journalist ("obviously someone is lying, you riders or Carmelo and Franco") combined with the emotionally charged atmosphere brought an angry response from Moto2 pole sitter Johann Zarco: "It's a .... question. You are looking for a problem. Who is right and who is wrong. You must shut up."

Marquez stepped in to calm the situation: "Nobody lied. Nobody lied because we discussed this corner in the past, but everybody was agreed that we would put the airfence, that works really good, all around the corner.

"The riders were agreed. We say 'okay it is a good solution', because it is not possible to have more [run-off] space. We thought the airfence was enough. What we saw yesterday, nobody expected. This is so difficult to imagine, that it would happen like that with the bike in front [of the rider]."

A minute's silence will be held in memory of Salom at 10:15am tomorrow.












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