GP9 for donnington?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jun 10 2008, 01:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyone know if there is any chance the GP9 could be used for donnington?
As quoted on autosport, it is not possible. Ducati only run their GP9 next season, Stoner has a positive feedback, Melandri will test on tuesday. so let's see.
As quoted on autosport, it is not possible. Ducati only run their GP9 next season, Stoner has a positive feedback, Melandri will test on tuesday. so let's see.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jun 10 2008, 02:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyone know if there is any chance the GP9 could be used for donnington?
in a panic are we pinky?? want him to have the bike advantage again so he can win??? i will be very suprised if they get the carbon frame working how they want anyway, using a screamer config and a carbon frame is that really the way to go?? all them revs and all that vibration.
i hope they do get it workin but they need someone in who can actually develop the bike.
s g maybe.............
in a panic are we pinky?? want him to have the bike advantage again so he can win??? i will be very suprised if they get the carbon frame working how they want anyway, using a screamer config and a carbon frame is that really the way to go?? all them revs and all that vibration.
i hope they do get it workin but they need someone in who can actually develop the bike.
s g maybe.............
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jun 10 2008, 05:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>in a panic are we pinky?? want him to have the bike advantage again so he can win??? i will be very suprised if they get the carbon frame working how they want anyway, using a screamer config and a carbon frame is that really the way to go?? all them revs and all that vibration.
i hope they do get it workin but they need someone in who can actually develop the bike.
s g maybe.............
wow carbon frame, thats cool stuff ! I know they do that in F1.
Thats class, proper prototype racing.
If Ducati are doing that then surely that means honda and yamaha have already done it ?
I dont mean on race bikes but surely have something similar sorted !
i hope they do get it workin but they need someone in who can actually develop the bike.
s g maybe.............
wow carbon frame, thats cool stuff ! I know they do that in F1.
Thats class, proper prototype racing.
If Ducati are doing that then surely that means honda and yamaha have already done it ?
I dont mean on race bikes but surely have something similar sorted !
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jun 9 2008, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>in a panic are we pinky?? want him to have the bike advantage again so he can win??? i will be very suprised if they get the carbon frame working how they want anyway, using a screamer config and a carbon frame is that really the way to go?? all them revs and all that vibration.
i hope they do get it workin but they need someone in who can actually develop the bike.
s g maybe.............
I know they use the stuff in airplanes. If airplanes can handle it I'm sure that a sportsbike would have no problem. Obvioulsy we are talking about a much more sensitive matter, with a very specific rider feel though.
i hope they do get it workin but they need someone in who can actually develop the bike.
s g maybe.............
I know they use the stuff in airplanes. If airplanes can handle it I'm sure that a sportsbike would have no problem. Obvioulsy we are talking about a much more sensitive matter, with a very specific rider feel though.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Jun 10 2008, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>wow carbon frame, thats cool stuff ! I know they do that in F1.
Thats class, proper prototype racing.
If Ducati are doing that then surely that means honda and yamaha have already done it ?
I dont mean on race bikes but surely have something similar sorted !
Cagiva built one it in 1990 - Mamola rode it
Thats class, proper prototype racing.
If Ducati are doing that then surely that means honda and yamaha have already done it ?
I dont mean on race bikes but surely have something similar sorted !
Cagiva built one it in 1990 - Mamola rode it
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Jun 10 2008, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>wow carbon frame, thats cool stuff ! I know they do that in F1.
Thats class, proper prototype racing.
If Ducati are doing that then surely that means honda and yamaha have already done it ?
I dont mean on race bikes but surely have something similar sorted !
its strong and it light but its very rigid. if theres no flex in the frame they will have to build in flex else where . i think this will prove to be too expensive for ducati to make it work at the level they need to keep them in the #1 spot.
Thats class, proper prototype racing.
If Ducati are doing that then surely that means honda and yamaha have already done it ?
I dont mean on race bikes but surely have something similar sorted !
its strong and it light but its very rigid. if theres no flex in the frame they will have to build in flex else where . i think this will prove to be too expensive for ducati to make it work at the level they need to keep them in the #1 spot.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Jun 10 2008, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>wow carbon frame, thats cool stuff ! I know they do that in F1.
Thats class, proper prototype racing.
If Ducati are doing that then surely that means honda and yamaha have already done it ?
I dont mean on race bikes but surely have something similar sorted !
i think yamaha and honda use alloys for there's, i know a few years back carbon was tested but transfered way to many vibrations to the rider.
the way the ducati revs and its screamer config imo i dont think its a good idea but if they get it to work it should pay off.
i cant imagine it being much better on tyre wear to but then again it maydo cos its lighter.
shoulda gone with alloy i say...
Thats class, proper prototype racing.
If Ducati are doing that then surely that means honda and yamaha have already done it ?
I dont mean on race bikes but surely have something similar sorted !
i think yamaha and honda use alloys for there's, i know a few years back carbon was tested but transfered way to many vibrations to the rider.
the way the ducati revs and its screamer config imo i dont think its a good idea but if they get it to work it should pay off.
i cant imagine it being much better on tyre wear to but then again it maydo cos its lighter.
shoulda gone with alloy i say...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jun 10 2008, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think yamaha and honda use alloys for there's, i know a few years back carbon was tested but transfered way to many vibrations to the rider.
the way the ducati revs and its screamer config imo i dont think its a good idea but if they get it to work it should pay off.
i cant imagine it being much better on tyre wear to but then again it maydo cos its lighter.
shoulda gone with alloy i say...
Total weight is the same. Only advantage is that they can decide where on the bike to hang it.
the way the ducati revs and its screamer config imo i dont think its a good idea but if they get it to work it should pay off.
i cant imagine it being much better on tyre wear to but then again it maydo cos its lighter.
shoulda gone with alloy i say...
Total weight is the same. Only advantage is that they can decide where on the bike to hang it.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 10 2008, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>its strong and it light but its very rigid. if theres no flex in the frame they will have to build in flex else where . i think this will prove to be too expensive for ducati to make it work at the level they need to keep them in the #1 spot.
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i think the same rog, i think thats why the other manufacturers wanted to use the alloy.
i know ducati are testing early but i think they are taking a big risk cos if they dont get that to work the will be screwed they shoulda just gone with alloy, they are riding alot on stoners opinion but imo i wouldnt rely on him to much cos when it comes to development he aint got a clue.
i not bashing but after testing last year and qatar he said the gp8 was good now look at the .... they are in... sorry but ducati are taking a huge gamble.
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i think the same rog, i think thats why the other manufacturers wanted to use the alloy.
i know ducati are testing early but i think they are taking a big risk cos if they dont get that to work the will be screwed they shoulda just gone with alloy, they are riding alot on stoners opinion but imo i wouldnt rely on him to much cos when it comes to development he aint got a clue.
i not bashing but after testing last year and qatar he said the gp8 was good now look at the .... they are in... sorry but ducati are taking a huge gamble.
cant develop? didnt he finish 0.5 seconds behind rossi? didnt he beat last years lap time by 12 seconds. didnt he set a new lap record?
the gp8 is an evolution og the gp7, slight imporvement but nothing major.
the yamaha and honda took 10 steps forward.
the gp8 is an evolution og the gp7, slight imporvement but nothing major.
the yamaha and honda took 10 steps forward.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jun 9 2008, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>in a panic are we pinky?? want him to have the bike advantage again so he can win???
Nah, somebody will have to wait their turn, this year its Rossi's.
Nah, somebody will have to wait their turn, this year its Rossi's.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jun 10 2008, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>cant develop? didnt he finish 0.5 seconds behind rossi? didnt he beat last years lap time by 12 seconds. didnt he set a new lap record?
the gp8 is an evolution og the gp7, slight imporvement but nothing major.
the yamaha and honda took 10 steps forward.
The Yamaha was pretty good last year. I don't think it was ten steps, maybe a one baby step. The Ducati is fine. I'm not sure why you're calling for a GP9, Stoner is doing good enough with it. Yeah, he is frustrated he's not leading points, but he's made some mistakes on his own (on top of bad luck DNF mechanical). Both Stoner and Rossi scrapped it out for 2nd place, stop your crying.
the gp8 is an evolution og the gp7, slight imporvement but nothing major.
the yamaha and honda took 10 steps forward.
The Yamaha was pretty good last year. I don't think it was ten steps, maybe a one baby step. The Ducati is fine. I'm not sure why you're calling for a GP9, Stoner is doing good enough with it. Yeah, he is frustrated he's not leading points, but he's made some mistakes on his own (on top of bad luck DNF mechanical). Both Stoner and Rossi scrapped it out for 2nd place, stop your crying.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jun 10 2008, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>cant develop? didnt he finish 0.5 seconds behind rossi? didnt he beat last years lap time by 12 seconds. didnt he set a new lap record?
the gp8 is an evolution og the gp7, slight imporvement but nothing major.
the yamaha and honda took 10 steps forward.
........ you turd capirossi has gone stoner cant develop the bike......... why else would ducati be asking for ex riders to come in and ride to help them understand what the problem is you .....????
its cos stoner cant give them a explanation cos he doesnt have the know how capi had when it comes to development hence using alot of 2007 stuff, wow you really are a dipshit
and if you want proof you only have to think whats different to last year, well il help you capi rides for suzuki................
stoner has had 6 months and i bet the only usefull development thats gone into the gp8 is from the engineers that work in that garage........
the gp8 is an evolution og the gp7, slight imporvement but nothing major.
the yamaha and honda took 10 steps forward.
........ you turd capirossi has gone stoner cant develop the bike......... why else would ducati be asking for ex riders to come in and ride to help them understand what the problem is you .....????
its cos stoner cant give them a explanation cos he doesnt have the know how capi had when it comes to development hence using alot of 2007 stuff, wow you really are a dipshit
and if you want proof you only have to think whats different to last year, well il help you capi rides for suzuki................
stoner has had 6 months and i bet the only usefull development thats gone into the gp8 is from the engineers that work in that garage........
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jun 10 2008, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>........ you turd capirossi has gone stoner cant develop the bike......... why else would ducati be asking for ex riders to come in and ride to help them understand what the problem is you .....????
its cos stoner cant give them a explanation cos he doesnt have the know how capi had when it comes to development hence using alot of 2007 stuff, wow you really are a dipshit
and if you want proof you only have to think whats different to last year, well il help you capi rides for suzuki................
stoner has had 6 months and i bet the only usefull development thats gone into the gp8 is from the engineers that work in that garage........
also ducati's livio suppo wanted to keep loris and was on about a third bike to keep him. i believe loris wanted to go rather than ducati getting rid of him. i wonder why they wanted to keep him
its cos stoner cant give them a explanation cos he doesnt have the know how capi had when it comes to development hence using alot of 2007 stuff, wow you really are a dipshit
and if you want proof you only have to think whats different to last year, well il help you capi rides for suzuki................
stoner has had 6 months and i bet the only usefull development thats gone into the gp8 is from the engineers that work in that garage........
also ducati's livio suppo wanted to keep loris and was on about a third bike to keep him. i believe loris wanted to go rather than ducati getting rid of him. i wonder why they wanted to keep him
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 10 2008, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>also ducati's livio suppo wanted to keep loris and was on about a third bike to keep him. i believe loris wanted to go rather than ducati getting rid of him. i wonder why they wanted to keep him
exactly thanks rog
isit really that hard for you to understand pinky.............and hurry up im waiting to see how you answer this one if you can pull yourself away from your hong kong manual.
exactly thanks rog
isit really that hard for you to understand pinky.............and hurry up im waiting to see how you answer this one if you can pull yourself away from your hong kong manual.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jun 10 2008, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>exactly thanks rog
isit really that hard for you to understand pinky.............and hurry up im waiting to see how you answer this one if you can pull yourself away from your hong kong manual.
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It isn't really clear if Stoner made the fast laps on the GP8 or the GP9 - but if the GP9 can lap like that at the first outing, I have no doubt they are going to use it as soon as possible. It is basically a new frame they tested, and if it works, - Stoner actually said the bike is easier to ride fast consistently - well, tell me ONE single reason why they should sit on it until 2009...?!
Carbon fiber is more rigid, yes, even too much for a bike frame -- but do not forget the Ducati is not using a traditional frame. The engine is a fully stressed element in the Ducati chassis, so basically they'll now have a carbon fiber appendix from the cylinders to the fork's head, instead of a steel trellis one. That's the part of any frame that has to be as rigid as possible...
Then, carbon fiber takes less space and it even integrates (or rather becomes) the airbox also. It could help Ducati make the bike shorter and lower = better handling.
So my conclusion is that CF could work well in Ducati's architecture, and if they really have lapped in 1.42 low at Montmelo' on their first test, then we'll see that bike racing in anger very soon...
It isn't really clear if Stoner made the fast laps on the GP8 or the GP9 - but if the GP9 can lap like that at the first outing, I have no doubt they are going to use it as soon as possible. It is basically a new frame they tested, and if it works, - Stoner actually said the bike is easier to ride fast consistently - well, tell me ONE single reason why they should sit on it until 2009...?!
Carbon fiber is more rigid, yes, even too much for a bike frame -- but do not forget the Ducati is not using a traditional frame. The engine is a fully stressed element in the Ducati chassis, so basically they'll now have a carbon fiber appendix from the cylinders to the fork's head, instead of a steel trellis one. That's the part of any frame that has to be as rigid as possible...
Then, carbon fiber takes less space and it even integrates (or rather becomes) the airbox also. It could help Ducati make the bike shorter and lower = better handling.
So my conclusion is that CF could work well in Ducati's architecture, and if they really have lapped in 1.42 low at Montmelo' on their first test, then we'll see that bike racing in anger very soon...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Jun 11 2008, 01:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>---
It isn't really clear if Stoner made the fast laps on the GP8 or the GP9 - but if the GP9 can lap like that at the first outing, I have no doubt they are going to use it as soon as possible. It is basically a new frame they tested, and if it works, - Stoner actually said the bike is easier to ride fast consistently - well, tell me ONE single reason why they should sit on it until 2009...?!
Carbon fiber is more rigid, yes, even too much for a bike frame -- but do not forget the Ducati is not using a traditional frame. The engine is a fully stressed element in the Ducati chassis, so basically they'll now have a carbon fiber appendix from the cylinders to the fork's head, instead of a steel trellis one. That's the part of any frame that has to be as rigid as possible...
Then, carbon fiber takes less space and it even integrates (or rather becomes) the airbox also. It could help Ducati make the bike shorter and lower = better handling.
So my conclusion is that CF could work well in Ducati's architecture, and if they really have lapped in 1.42 low at Montmelo' on their first test, then we'll see that bike racing in anger very soon...
i agree if they do manage to make it work then it will be one hell of a machine but i think thats the only way stoner will win like in 07 again is to have an advantage.
at the moment the yam honda and the ducati are pretty even........... except the ducati having the fastest top end
It isn't really clear if Stoner made the fast laps on the GP8 or the GP9 - but if the GP9 can lap like that at the first outing, I have no doubt they are going to use it as soon as possible. It is basically a new frame they tested, and if it works, - Stoner actually said the bike is easier to ride fast consistently - well, tell me ONE single reason why they should sit on it until 2009...?!
Carbon fiber is more rigid, yes, even too much for a bike frame -- but do not forget the Ducati is not using a traditional frame. The engine is a fully stressed element in the Ducati chassis, so basically they'll now have a carbon fiber appendix from the cylinders to the fork's head, instead of a steel trellis one. That's the part of any frame that has to be as rigid as possible...
Then, carbon fiber takes less space and it even integrates (or rather becomes) the airbox also. It could help Ducati make the bike shorter and lower = better handling.
So my conclusion is that CF could work well in Ducati's architecture, and if they really have lapped in 1.42 low at Montmelo' on their first test, then we'll see that bike racing in anger very soon...
i agree if they do manage to make it work then it will be one hell of a machine but i think thats the only way stoner will win like in 07 again is to have an advantage.
at the moment the yam honda and the ducati are pretty even........... except the ducati having the fastest top end
