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Ive been to the Keys once in my life and dont plan on visiting that freak show ever again. I have never been so disappointed in a place in my life, If it wasnt an "artist" lying in his own vomit on the sidewalk bumming money, it was a ....... 7 foot drag queen hitting on my my 14 year old son. That was one of those moments when my wife kept me out of jail by grabbing my arm and saying "just walk". The food was mediocre and expensive and there are cock roaches the size of small rodents crawling around everywhere while you are trying to eat. My complaint fell on deaf ears as obviously they have just accepted living with filthy disease carrying insects. They gave them a new name so people wont be so grossed out. Oh, those are Palmetto Bugs", no those ....... cock roaches . Oh, and dont get started on the traffic. We were staying at Marco Island and saw where the Keys were only 80 miles away, nice little day trip. That 80 miles took 4 ....... hours, i wasnt in a good mood when i got there Anyway, .... Key West, i can say ive been and there are plenty of places you can have the same experience without putting up with all that .....
I agree with everything you said, it is a long ride/drive to get to a small time town. However, I didn’t get the traffic because stayed in Marathon, and left from there and back. But I'm told in a normal commute during traffic it can be brutal. Also, when I went I don't think I was driving, so it could relax about the other ........ on the road. On top of that I was in vacation mode, and probably at the time drinking in the back seat. I didn't know about the gay scene in Gay West, until I accidentally ran into a gay bar because I had to take a leak (from drinking). I walk out and everyone in the car were laughing at me as I came back pale (no small feat for my skin type. No I'm not anti-..., i love the gays, some of my best friends are homos, and i respect their lives, it's the Christian/Muslim/Hindus who shove their lifestyle down my throat that i hate). Anyway, I said, oh ...., that place is gay. They said, I take it you didn't read the sign when you ran into Johnny's Monkey Bar.

Frankly I didn't see the tourist attraction of Key West other than it's the southern most tip of US, and the natural unique beauty of driving along a chain of keys. Like I said, the Dry Tortugas was the .... for me. Historic and amazing structure in the middle of nowhere.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
 
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Addendum to my previous post: having said all that, my biggest problem was probably being in a car as opposed to a motorcycle...being the point of this thread and the tangent of giving a .... travel review of Gay West.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
 
Addendum to my previous post: having said all that, my biggest problem was probably being in a car as opposed to a motorcycle...being the point of this thread and the tangent of giving a .... travel review of Gay West.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
I would have killed myself had i been on a bike that day. Just put a gun to my temple and ended it.
 
Just curious Povol. It is Key West. A town made famous for its debauchery and lack of inhibition. What were you expecting?

I really dont know what i was expecting, but what i got was a dirty, dingy,weather beaten, run down, modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. Not my scene at all and im no angel.
 
I really dont know what i was expecting, but what i got was a dirty, dingy,weather beaten, run down, modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. Not my scene at all and im no angel.

Fair enough.
Key West is one of those places that better off without the light of day shown on it. Great town for its designated purpose. Its really not reflective of the keys in general which is more of a libertarian attitude of .... your corporate development. We don't need your Starbucks and Applebees. One can appreciate it ad one of the last places in America that isnt cookie cutter.
Peope just want to fish, drink and be left alone. I think the Keys are though of as a carribean paradise by people that dont know. Its not that at all. I think you would appreciate that the real and best part of the keys can only be seen on a boat. Most of it is fairly ramshackle but the fishing, snorkeling, diving and general boating is unparalled. Its fairly shallow so its never really rough.
I wish Levi were still here. He's dived quite a few wrecks. He could attest to how amazing it it.
Marco is one of my favorite places in the world. During summer they purge somewhere around 100,000 snowbirds. Its an hour and a half over for me towing the jetskis. Look on google maps and you will see there are 10,000 islands to explore. Its untouched nature and barely noone is around. You'll see un breaching dolphins, fish, turtles, stingrays, all kinds of crabs. The beaches are full of shells sand dollars and sea biscuits. Again though, if your not on a boat, or a ski, you will miss what makes living in Florida so wonderfull
 
I would have killed myself had i been on a bike that day. Just put a gun to my temple and ended it.
I didn't get your post at first, until I realized you live in the uncivilized world where lane splitting is prohibited.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
 
I didn't get your post at first, until I realized you live in the uncivilized world where lane splitting is prohibited.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

When I was riding a couple of weekends ago, I left the gym and was on the main 4 lane road when a guy with another Wide Glide pulled up next to me. I noticed he had a CA plate on the bike. We started ripping open down the road, but the traffic was heavy. At one point I was not about to sit on the side of a hill in heavy traffic, so I said .... it and just filtered up to the front of the pack. NJ while not prohibiting lane splitting, also doesn't condone it. But the dude just followed right behind me like nothing. He seemed surprised I was willing to do it given it's NJ, but eh, better to be at the front than to take it in the rear from a texter. Of course you have the people all raging over it, so I find it best to look straight ahead. Why lane splitting hasn't been legalized in all 50 states makes zero sense.
 
When I was riding a couple of weekends ago, I left the gym and was on the main 4 lane road when a guy with another Wide Glide pulled up next to me. I noticed he had a CA plate on the bike. We started ripping open down the road, but the traffic was heavy. At one point I was not about to sit on the side of a hill in heavy traffic, so I said .... it and just filtered up to the front of the pack. NJ while not prohibiting lane splitting, also doesn't condone it. But the dude just followed right behind me like nothing. He seemed surprised I was willing to do it given it's NJ, but eh, better to be at the front than to take it in the rear from a texter. Of course you have the people all raging over it, so I find it best to look straight ahead. Why lane splitting hasn't been legalized in all 50 states makes zero sense.

Really??? In which ones is it prohibited?

I used to despatch ride so it's second nature. I can't for the life of me fathom people that sit stationary in traffic queues. My bike would reach an uncomfortable temperature a scold my nads long before the fan kicked in. Given the soaring ambient temperatures in the summer Stateside, cooling fins or not, I certainly wouldn't entertain it on an air cooled motorcycle. I once sat at lights next to a lean burn Royal Enfield XS at Hyde Park Corner in July and it smelt like an electrical house fire.
 
Really??? In which ones is it prohibited?

I used to despatch ride so it's second nature. I can't for the life of me fathom people that sit stationary in traffic queues. My bike would reach an uncomfortable temperature a scold my nads long before the fan kicked in. Given the soaring ambient temperatures in the summer Stateside, cooling fins or not, I certainly wouldn't entertain it on an air cooled motorcycle. I once sat at lights next to a lean burn Royal Enfield XS at Hyde Park Corner in July and it smelt like an electrical house fire.

All 49 states except for CA prohibit lane splitting.

All of the information that shows it to be a good safety measure for motorcyclists (when proper speeds are followed) continues to be ignored. There's so many instances of motorcyclists getting plowed into from behind in heavy traffic, or just sitting behind cars at a red light, yet the politicians do nothing about it.

I feel like I am slowly roasting to death at lights on my bike. 1690cc's will do it though.
 
All 49 states except for CA prohibit lane splitting.

All of the information that shows it to be a good safety measure for motorcyclists (when proper speeds are followed) continues to be ignored. There's so many instances of motorcyclists getting plowed into from behind in heavy traffic, or just sitting behind cars at a red light, yet the politicians do nothing about it.

I feel like I am slowly roasting to death at lights on my bike. 1690cc's will do it though.

The important thing to guard against in slow to stationary traffic is cars switching lanes or diving into gaps, people opening doors or if it’s a single lane road, drivers giving up and performing a rapid u-turn without checking their mirrors.

A few years ago – would have been 2011 ‘cause I’d just got back from California, - I was sitting in slow moving traffic due to a long tailback owing to roadworks. I was watching a Repsol liveried Blade coming towards me in the opposite lane. I glanced in my mirror and saw a car rapidly swing out and u-turn behind and knew the inevitable was about to happen. The bike went past at about 70mph and struck the front – the rider was thrown in a parabolic arc about thirty feet and the bike ended up in a field. As I was pegging it over to the scene, the offending driver in a severely damaged overheating Vauxhall, reversed and completed his turn while several other drivers gave chase. It was a pikey kid joy riding in his Mum’s car – they arrested him and the other occupants of the vehicle within the hour. I ran over and lifted the guys visor and his eyes were a palid milky grey – I dunno, perhaps that’s what death looks like – I have no idea, because I’d never stared it in the face. I resolved to talk to him, just gibberish really, because I honestly thought he had minutes to live and I didn’t want him to die alone. This seemed like an eternity, he was responding though which indicated no serious head injuries. Thank ...., a Doctor had stopped and took control, joined by several medical staff about to come on shift. The air ambulance arrived in half an hour but it took a further half hour to stabilise him. He was flown to University Hospital Coventry to the road accident unit and survived, albeit with permanent disabilities.

Next week, I was riding to work in a similar scenario – stationary oncoming traffic in the opposite lane while my side of the road was empty. I was hauling ass but slowed thinking about what I had witnessed the week before. A frustrated driver in a transit van u-turned in front of me in a practically identical fashion – simply hadn’t seen me. A week before, I would probably not have backed off. Seems a no brainer, but sometimes experience can breed complacency. We never stop learning.
 
Errrrrmmm
Ha you look like your having fun, seriously dude, to much traffic on uk roads. Plus the roads are ......

I sold my Zx10 r cos I was sick of getting stuck in traffic, only for when I got out of second gear to get pulled or nearly wiped out. That's why I went racing, less dangerous imo, don't miss the roads one bit
 
The important thing to guard against in slow to stationary traffic is cars switching lanes or diving into gaps, people opening doors or if it’s a single lane road, drivers giving up and performing a rapid u-turn without checking their mirrors.

A few years ago – would have been 2011 ‘cause I’d just got back from California, - I was sitting in slow moving traffic due to a long tailback owing to roadworks. I was watching a Repsol liveried Blade coming towards me in the opposite lane. I glanced in my mirror and saw a car rapidly swing out and u-turn behind and knew the inevitable was about to happen. The bike went past at about 70mph and struck the front – the rider was thrown in a parabolic arc about thirty feet and the bike ended up in a field. As I was pegging it over to the scene, the offending driver in a severely damaged overheating Vauxhall, reversed and completed his turn while several other drivers gave chase. It was a pikey kid joy riding in his Mum’s car – they arrested him and the other occupants of the vehicle within the hour. I ran over and lifted the guys visor and his eyes were a palid milky grey – I dunno, perhaps that’s what death looks like – I have no idea, because I’d never stared it in the face. I resolved to talk to him, just gibberish really, because I honestly thought he had minutes to live and I didn’t want him to die alone. This seemed like an eternity, he was responding though which indicated no serious head injuries. Thank ...., a Doctor had stopped and took control, joined by several medical staff about to come on shift. The air ambulance arrived in half an hour but it took a further half hour to stabilise him. He was flown to University Hospital Coventry to the road accident unit and survived, albeit with permanent disabilities.

Next week, I was riding to work in a similar scenario – stationary oncoming traffic in the opposite lane while my side of the road was empty. I was hauling ass but slowed thinking about what I had witnessed the week before. A frustrated driver in a transit van u-turned in front of me in a practically identical fashion – simply hadn’t seen me. A week before, I would probably not have backed off. Seems a no brainer, but sometimes experience can breed complacency. We never stop learning.

That's a sad story to hear. Kind of have to wonder if it was even worth surviving the crash since the result of permanent disabilities is worse than death in many cases. Was the speed limit 70 or was it just a case of simply riding fast because he could? Just out of curiosity, do you think he had enough time to stop? I ask because you picked up on the U-Turn and knew what was going to happen before it did...or was it just a case of the U-turn starting and the bike coming 2 seconds later?

It might be morbid of me, but I have a Google News alert set for all motorcycle accidents in NJ because I figure whether fatal or not, there's something to be learned from all of those scenarios. The thing that's perhaps remarkable about the majority of the fatal accidents I see around here, is that they were all preventable. While it may seem I am saying this with hindsight, it's about what the rider was doing in the moments prior to the crash. Usually excessive speed is the biggest factor, followed by dangerous riding (the old traffic slalom) and then simple rider error such as failing to negotiate corners properly. Alcohol also can be a factor in some of the crashes. There was young man around here who was overtaking cars on the shoulder of a two lane road recently at high speeds. He blew threw a red light ironically in front of a police station and T-boned a car crossing. Stupid and avoidable. Pronounced dead at the scene naturally.

I don't know, all of us ride fast at various times, but it's about picking your spots IMO. If I have clear visibility on a 4 lane road with a concrete divider in the center, that's generally when I will fly. But two lane roads, not as much. The one thing that's tough to deal with are the left-turners or in your case the right-turners. Not sure what the answer for that is. The only thing I do on two lane roads where that's always a real risk is I tend to position myself towards the outside of the lane to try and give myself some kind of cushion should it happen. The other is to constantly make lateral movements back and forth across the lane. I think drivers are more likely to pick up a bike when it moves laterally as stationary in the lane is hard to pick up.

Any good tips you have Arrab?
 
Just out of curiosity, do you think he had enough time to stop? I ask because you picked up on the U-Turn and knew what was going to happen before it did...or was it just a case of the U-turn starting and the bike coming 2 seconds later?

It was more that the driver hadn't seen him. A year before this, I had someone drive in the back of my car - incidentally, I didn't explain I was in the car at the time. Since then I'm always glancing in my rear view mirror anticipating it, particularly given the prevalence of cell phones these days - although there's not much you can do. As I looked on this occasion, the car had swung out and the rider had no chance. He had just got on the throttle, and although the national speed limit on a single carriageway is 60mph over here, I'd say he was doing around 70 when he hit. Personally, I think his road positioning was poor, perhaps should have been further to the left...but at the same time, you hardly want to be in the drain covers - or vulnerable to junctions (of which there were none).

The track teaches you little about surviving on the road, but Richy is quite right - if you're going to ride like a cock, take it to a circuit. Actually, don't...as Barry correctly observed, there are far too many wannabes spoiling track days

If this is you. I would say your on borrowed time!

This .... is for the track

I've been on borrowed time since I was 16 years old I think. Thank .... Go Pro wasn't about in my teens.

Ha you look like your having fun, seriously dude, to much traffic on uk roads. Plus the roads are ......

I sold my Zx10 r cos I was sick of getting stuck in traffic, only for when I got out of second gear to get pulled or nearly wiped out. That's why I went racing, less dangerous imo, don't miss the roads one bit

That vid was hanging around and the product of putting a go-pro through its paces more than the bike. It was adapted into a parody of a member that lasted about a fortnight on the forum that claimed to be a buddy of Tito and rode track days with him on a first generation R1. More of a piss take than anything.

Otherwise, I entirely agree. There is no justification bar the fact that there are for the large part no junctions or oncoming traffic (most of it is on a straight well sighted dual carriageway) and the conditions were good. The filtering is fast and speeds like that don't belong on the public highway - particularly where you can put others at risk. My three main fears on the road are diesel, junctions and traffic policemen. That's why the bike is largely used for trackdays, and I hanker after a dirt bike again or a cruiser for Sunday afternoons. I agree, .... like this, even as a one off is indefensible. The roads are far too dangerous today in the UK and even back when I was a kid, many of my friends applied for ACU race licences, took their two-strokes off the road and had they not, probably wouldn't be here today.

I went despatch riding in London instead, which as I've said before ranks up there as one of the most dangerous occupations on the planet alongside Alaskan crab fishing. It does however teach you defensive riding.

Any good tips you have Arrab?

What Richy said.

Other than that, the above, defensive riding, anticipating hazards and positioning the bike as far as possible where you are least likely to encounter them...which so many miss. Sounds obvious, yet poor positioning exposes so many riders to danger. That's where it differs so much to track riding, because it often means you have to compromise a line to increase your vision and protect yourself. If you can't see...throttle off. Over here left handers are so often blind. Use the engine braking as a defence - and keep it smooth and assume that everyone is out to kill you. And to really learn how to ride a motorcycle...get off road and on the dirt.

And most importantly, don't do this...

 
Living so close to the Gap and Cherohala and riding it so often, i see death on a fairly regular basis.Its a common scene to see a dude holding his buddy in his arms as he draws his last breath. Its almost always out of towners on vacation having fun, i cant imagine having to be the one to make the phone call to the wife, parents, etc, but its the game we play.
 
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