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Umm.. I don't even think 2007 was close to as good as his 2011. 2007 might be a better lifetime movie, but not as dominating championship season.
Brother, in 2011 Casey rode a championship contending machine to the title. In 2007, Stoner (the 4th choice for Ducati) took a worse version of today's Suzuki and dominated the season. For perspective, look to Casey's 2007 teammate.

2007 vs 2011 isn't even close in comparison. It shouldn't even be a question if I'm frank. Would you say a win on a M1 at Jerez would be the same as a win by the GP16? No. Then add, Stoner still had to beat Hondas and Yamahas on said Ducati.
 
Please remember that for 5 years he had double title years.
I wonder how many titles Rossi would have if he was riding moto3/[125), moto2/(250) and MotoGP at the same time.
He probably would have surpassed Agostini.
The demand for the modern rider would have negated this probability. Not to mention, the increased sophistication. I for one am not as impressed (relatively speaking) with Ago's MV titles. Imagine today, everyone on CRTs wilst Ago on a factory M1.
 
Exactly. the thought of having to battle Rossi and others again for another year was overwhelming to him. He was so frightened, he turned down 20 million. He could have made many charitable contributions with that sort of money.
Clearly a troll

I know 95% of your posts are trolling, this is an example, though you have started to settle down a bit and have made some decent attempts at dialog; but you should research how many times Rossi has threatened to QUIT the sport. No seriously, tally it up. I'll help you out, 1 in November of 2016.
 
Clearly a troll

I know 95% of your posts are trolling, this is an example, though you have started to settle down a bit and have made some decent attempts at dialog; but you should research how many times Rossi has threatened to QUIT the sport. No seriously, tally it up. I'll help you out, 1 in November of 2016.

95% is a bit high. I've been toning it down. But the post you mention was clearly tongue-in-cheek.
 
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Agreed
Athletes want to play and win and they never want to stop. Quitting over anger is not something a typical driven athlete would ever consider.
Tom Brady has had his reputation smeared by a corrupt league for a yr and a half now. He doesn't quit, he says .... you, watch me win
You crack me up. And to think, people think friends around here walk in lock step.

The NFL didn’t cancel the Superbowl media circus for Brady either. Dorna did exactly that for Rossi! You may be underestimating the affect and technical impact on Casey Stoner being privy to this kind of .... for years. The NFL doesn't go changing the rules or key aspects of the contest to suit the Mannings, do they? Other than using them for marketing, there is no technical rule that suits their strengths over Brady. When Bridgestone was reluctant to supply Rossi tires on the context of him quiting, Roger Goodell (Carmelo Ezpeleta) threatened a proposal to go to a single tire supplier, with Michelin in the bag. Suddenly Bridgestone acquiesced. The NFL used deflate-gate to distract from concussion-gate, but it was powerless to thwart Brady from wining with his team. They couldn't touch him, probably much to Roger Goodell's Chagrin. Think about how sweet that must feel for Brady. Unlike Stoner who couldn't exact his revenge for years on a Ducati which became progressively worse under increasing rules finagling. Conversely, Carmelo's Rossi-centric machinates did exactly that! I wouldn't say apples to oranges, more like apples to watermelons.

As you say, an athlete who is driven to 'win' never wants to stop. What happens then when that athletes is significantly thwarted from doing that very singular thing you say drives them? You don't think when the weight regulations suddenly changed, seemingly meant to help Rossi at Ducati and hinder Stoner at Honda the thought occurred to him, ...., here we go again?

When Roger Goodell starts making rules with the effect that thwarts Brady's ability to win, then we can start comparing Stoner to him. Again, the best example is the all points media gag order at the #GrandFarce. Rossi exists on an island nation dedicated to him, no red states no blue states, only one big yellow state, everyone else is just an enemy of the state.

Edit: full disclosure, there are not any greater fans of Tom Brady on this forum than JKD and i.
 
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Again, I'm not saying your theory is inconceivable, but it would seemingly be very easy for them to sneak Rossi a set of SNS tires over the course of a few extra races last year, which would have seen the anointed king win the title, thus making them even more money.
That would be race fixing.

That is an entirely different to rigging, which is what Povol was trying to explain.


When you go get a smartphone, and they tell you great, here you go, no charge upfront, sign here. Then 3 months later you're so unsatisfied with the service of the carrier, you go and say, I'm not going to pay you for this ...... service. They'll say, no problem, $300 to get out of your contract. Then you say, screw you, I won't pay you nothing ever again. Then they'll ruin your credit. All legal. Why? Because before you ever walked in to buy a smartphone the telecommunications company hired a lobby firm to persuade lawmakers to write into 'consumer protection' laws provision to .... you over and protect their interests. That is called rigging. See the difference?
 
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Apples to apples.

Different bike

The viscosity of the paint that Ducati used in 2011 affected the bikes aerodynamics and weight distribution in ways that Stoner never experienced in 2010 and besides it was his fault as he developed the paint
 
Again, I'm not saying your theory is inconceivable, but it would seemingly be very easy for them to sneak Rossi a set of SNS tires over the course of a few extra races last year, which would have seen the anointed king win the title, thus making them even more money.

I don't want to be presumptuous - but have you ever been in a MotoGP paddock? Everything that goes on between the tire supplier and the garage occurs in broad daylight and open to a great deal of scrutiny. Everybody is watching the moves of everybody else like a hawk, journalists especially. Think on how many tires a rider uses in the course of a race weekend; how many times they change tires over how many practices. They would have to sneak in a truck-load of SNSs. Even if, for the sake of argument Uccio could snug one set of Rossi-Specific tires in-between his ...-cheeks and slip them to Rossi while no-one was looking, they wouldn't be of the same construction as those used in practice - so Rossi's settings from all the practices would be useless.
 
I would argue that is way different than Stoner not being strong enough mentally to remain in the sport.

And I would argue that his decision to leave the circus to devote time to his family after refusing to jump through the hoops any longer was on the contrary, a sign of mental strength.

Lawson walked out of the paddock and never came back - was that mental fragility too?
 
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I guess it depends on what GOAT means, using your criteria, I totally agree. Great post bro.

Stalin is the GOAT of Russia. Putin is good, but he's got nothing on Stalin.

This is how I described my sentiment to Arrabi the other day:

'I have little to no faith in it (MotoGP) as an authentic competition because the power politics are rife (infinitely more sophisticated in the modern era). I understand my lense is particularly intense, however my perspective for GP is that it's much more susceptible to what we experience in the wider socio-economic power politics as pawns in a Game of Thrones, except the game is being played in a dictatorship tax haven island nation--(DORNA).


Frankly my dear friend, I always find it difficult to balance discussions about the proceedings wilst the Yellow Elephant in the room exists. So in essence, I feel there is a futility in discussing the finer points of Mark Maguire's swing on a home run at bat (in reference to the last race).'

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Rossi in terms of domination of a sport is certainly the GOAT for the reason being he is the exclusive figure. But it's partly do to the modern sophistication of business. 60 years ago you could walk in a rob a bank. Now the banks are robbing the masses at alarming pace (not just customer fees, but billion dollar tax payer bailouts). And they're doing it legally thanks to their sophisticated lobbying of law makers, laws disguised as consumer protections! That's because the system is 'rigged' in their favor. JP Morgan Chase, the GOAT Finance?

In the 80's a group of executive bankers sat around a table in Texas to brainstorm how they could gain more customers. Out of that meeting they came up with the plan to offer "free checking accounts", something they had previously charged. It proliferate and banks gained customers by the millions. Were banks in the giving mood? No. Because part of that meeting they schemed to increase hidden fees, particularly NSFs checks. It was a watershed moment. Profits skyrocketed, yet they were "giving" their checking accounts out for "free". This is the world we live in, this is an example of the type of executive power meetings from 40-50 years ago, it's become more sophisticated. Who thinks these types of meets are rare in executive board meeting? Why oh why do people think Dorna and the sport, headed by a tiny group of executives with almost absolute control, operate in a bubble of authenticity and integrity?

We see it play out in front of our faces, and yet nobody is really looking around the room incredulously with the look, "did you just see that?" Wait wait, something isn't right. Oh that, no its your imagination, it's all legal you see. Oh oh, ok, then that's OK then.

We don't for a moment think there are meetings like the one by those Texas bankers in MotoGP? We saw the sport go from a Michelin tier sysyem defacto supplier to a Bridgestone one wilst at the time it was surrounded by a similar intensity of power political drama as we saw at the end of last season. Nobody looked around and thought, that's weird, Stoner dominated 07 and now seems to spend more time in the gravel year after year, oh but hey, Rossi is winning-- squirrel! If you saw the post race press conference of Jerez, it was laughable how everyone intuitively expressed a sense of an overwhelmingly uncharacteristic race proceeding; but nobody connecting dots! If Rossi/Dorna got into the real estate business as part of buying a #46 hat, specializing in beach front property in Kansas, his sales would be through the roof.

Lost me at the end. Cant connect with your meaning.
 
Again, I'm not saying your theory is inconceivable, but it would seemingly be very easy for them to sneak Rossi a set of SNS tires over the course of a few extra races last year, which would have seen the anointed king win the title, thus making them even more money.
You need to go read how tires are distributed come race day. Its a blind draw, the tires you draw are numbered and registered to you. It would be extremely hard but not impossible. Also, in the world of high stakes racing, you can bet their is plenty of counter espionage going on. Prototype racing breeds paranoia like nothing you have ever seen. The behind the scenes going ons is more entertaining than the racing.
 
You need to go read how tires are distributed come race day. Its a blind draw, the tires you draw are numbered and registered to you. It would be extremely hard but not impossible. Also, in the world of high stakes racing, you can bet their is plenty of counter espionage going on. Prototype racing breeds paranoia like nothing you have ever seen. The behind the scenes going ons is more entertaining than the racing.

Povol, I'm sure the behind the scenes stuff is quite interesting. I wish there were more reports about it. As you said, I'm sure it would be nearly impossible for them to give him tires "under the table", but I'd be willing to bet that under the guise of nightfall, if they REALLY wanted to make that happen, there's enough $$$ to go around to make it a reality. Do I think that actually happened? No. I definitely think when there's a will there's a way, however.
 
I have a lot of admiration for sportsmen who walk away in their prime, the mentally weak ones are those who stay around long past their best either for money(greed) or love of the sport(addiction).
 

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