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What GOAT means to you?

When I see Ago racing in those early half helmets and old school safety gear on old dangerous tracks....I think how did he survive so long, so many races and so many wins. A win under those conditions is worth more than one these days due to the relative safety of modern racing.

Plus throw in his 10 IOMTT wins.....something that neither Rossi, Stoner or Lorenzo would consider.

None of the modern guys hold a candle to Ago.



Plus the guy was a huge playboy. He had more girls than wins. Can't say that about the modern guys either. Especially one on particular.
 
GeePee said:
Yes it really is only a debate of Ago or Hailwood at this point.
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Yes the above has my vote.



As for the other comparo re the GTO Aussie is definately a GOAT for the ol sep GTO's are BOATS
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Can't be measured or calculated. Too many great riders from different eras and different circumstances. I fail to see how "moaning" somehow relinquishes one's greatness status as a rider. Of today's riders, I feel Vale is one of the greats of all time. Also, Casey doesn't really have to prove anything else in my books - he rides like a demon. More titles will add to it though. Lorenzo still has some work to do IMO, but is on his way...
 
mad mick said:
Can't be measured or calculated. Too many great riders from different eras and different circumstances. I fail to see how "moaning" somehow relinquishes one's greatness status as a rider. Of today's riders, I feel Vale is one of the greats of all time. Also, Casey doesn't really have to prove anything else in my books - he rides like a demon. More titles will add to it though. Lorenzo still has some work to do IMO, but is on his way...
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Winner winner, chicken dinner!



The GOAT debate is a matter of personal opinion - not historical certainty.



You could make valid cases for both Rossi and Stoner....but that just unfairly diminishes the achievements of Rainey, Ago, Hailwood, Doohan, Saarinen and a multitude of other worthy candidates.



One thing to consider as GeePee has rightly pointed out is that the riders of past eras had far greater risks to deal with. Brick walls and armco were the air fence of yesteryear.
 
It actually makes me think o a sheep like animal that produces mingin milk
 
povol said:
Further proof that domination has been a part of the sport forever, and those who whine about runaway races and runaway championships, simply are whiners.
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Yeah, but there's also a reason that the "american era" is considered a "golden age"...



All Time Podium Appearance Percentage (1949 to Present)



1 Wayne Rainey 77.1% (64 of 83)

2 Giacomo Agostini 73.9% (88 of 119)

3 Mike Hailwood 73.8% (48 of 65)

4 John Surtees 70.6% (24 of 34)

5 Valentino Rossi 69.8% (139 of 199)

6 Mick Doohan 69.3% (95 of 137)

7 Kenny Roberts (Snr) 67.2% (39 of 58)

8 Jorge Lorenzo 66.2% (45 of 68)

9 Phil Read 64.2% (34 of 53)

10 Eddie Lawson 61.4% (78 of 127)



Comment: To be honest, in the '60s when Agostini, Hailwood, and Surtees ran up these stats, a bad day usually meant second or third. For Wayne Rainey there were always enough dangerous rivals on the track to make just getting on the podium difficult. The Yamaha was always competitive but never has the vast superiority that MV enjoyed. That makes the Californian’s record, to me, the most amazing of all.
 

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