Give us Stoner back

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Aug 10 2009, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't see how you can criticise Lorenzo's celebrations as stupid, a lot of Rossi's celebrations are just as bad (Motegi 08) & if anyone other than Rossi staged them, they'd be called stupid too.
I agree he came across as arrogant in 250's but since he's moved up that has changed completely. In fact, listening to Lorenzo now I wonder how much those celebrations were his idea, and how much they may have been someone else's, for instance his old manager's?

Rossi's celebrations = good humoured and often ironic

Lorenzo's celebrations = black flags planted in Conquistador style, complete lack of irony (or of any sense of humour)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 10 2009, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I haven't been fooled. I've always known J4rn0 to be a Mindless-Cheerleader...and wait for it..a ROSSI-BOPPER of the highest order. (yeah, I said it). Hahaha

The thing is he's subtle about it, and he's got people like Son of Doo quoting him once and declaring it to be the greatest post ever. Hahaha, I just laughed, poor Son of Doo, if only he had been around a few years ago. Ah, but my memory is long, and as I recall, it was during the whole rossi-bridgestone debacle that he showed his true colors. There are only a few rossbobbers left, and I intend to smoke them out. (Even though we've had a few new editions to the playpen).

I called it on another thread, I said it wouldn't be long before the Mindless would start directing their ire at Lorenzo for daring to challenge the Great One. Well here you go again. (This reminds me of a story I heard as a kid, about a scorpion that wanted to cross the river. Well, you can hide your true colors for a while, but not forever.)

Wow--spot on! You unmasked me

If this is true though...
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/
I might have to give up my hopes.

Really (seriously now) bad news.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LorenzoFan @ Aug 10 2009, 05:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo or Stoner... My vote goes to Lorenzo and its not because i'm a Lorenzo fanboi, but as a rider, boy has skills. Everyone knows the bike and transition from 990 to 800 is the only reason why Stoner won a championship in 2007. He's simply not championship material and i think Lorenzo will get there before he does.

Based on his ability to ride a motorcycle, hes the smoothest rider on the grid. Just watching how smooth he is when he transitions from one side to another is amazing to me. I love his riding style.

As far as competition for Rossi, theyre pretty much on the same equipment and it comes down to the rider. Yes its possible that Rossi gets better "equipment and the newest upgrades" but regardless, theyre both on the same bike.

While Lorenzo crashes a lot and takes huge risks, hes learning a lot and the limits of his motorcycle. I admire how he can crash and still give it 110%, hes fearless and thats effin awesome. While some of you feel that Lorenzo is cocky and arrogant, i believe he finds his drive and determination to be the best from that. So, without his cockyness and arrogance, we'd probably have another "Rossi spanked Stoner" season.

The only thing im unsure about Lorenzo is if he has the ability to develop a bike. Rossi has obviously proved he can win races and develop just about anything into winning bike. Maybe JB has something to do with that too...

Good sensible post, this obliges me to leave my dislike for Lorenzo aside and agree with you on almost all points. Of course the little cocky Rambo is a great rider, no doubt about that... But he wouldn't have lasted a season on 500's riding like that.

Lorenzo is more the next Biaggi than the next Rossi.
Same elegant and fast 250-style riding, same super-high initial promises, same aggression and somber megalomania. Plus, which is not a plus, a worrying penchant for highsides.

Now, not so surprisingly, Lorenzo enjoys the same status that was Biaggi's as chosen hero of the anti-Rossi tribe. Who have been really quick in dumping a sick (but truly great!) Stoner to adopt the little (wannabe-great) Rambo.

They are all excited because they don't realize yet that with Stoner out, between Valentino and another title there's only a rider who is not better than him, on a bike that's never going to run faster than his.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Aug 11 2009, 02:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>c'mon J4rn0 you know damn well max has always been a low sider... still is to this day

YUp. The highsiding was a difference (plus) from Max, not another similarity