Give us Stoner back

This thread is ...... harebrained

I would like to see them both challenge Rossi .

Lorenzo will definitely be a challenger and fingers are crossed for Stoner to come back strong after the break

I prefer Lorenzo. I like his style on the bike, his confidence, attitude and passport. He may not be as great of a showman as Rossi, but he's a showman nonetheless and every series can always use more showmen.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Aug 9 2009, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I know. It must be my fault.
An exemplary life following this sport, always impartial and sportsmanlike, and then it comes down to some emotional stuff.

I just can't stand Jorge Lorenzo. His 'Lorenzo's Land' celebrations are harebrained and utterly stupid. He's a champion but not a genius--he takes an awful lot of risks, and if he doesn't crash, then he'll win... Bah. Sometimes he doesn't win even after taking way too many risks!

His interviews and PR acts are pathetically contrived. Double bah.

On the other hand, we have Stoner. The perfect anti-Rossi. A real speed machine, and a genius like Vale in his own way. See how he managed, alone, to master the Ducati. A no-nonsense rider, old style. Not a charismatic star like Valentino, but that makes him perfect as challenger. The antithesis.

Give us Stoner back!


Have you forgotten, a couple of years ago, stoners 1st season, he spent most of his time in the gravel!

agree jarno !! the guy is just too cocky and tries too hard to copy rossi! but it is good for the sport to have them both at the top fighting with vale

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Aug 9 2009, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>On the other hand, we have Stoner. The perfect anti-Rossi. A real speed machine, and a genius like Vale in his own way. See how he managed, alone, to master the Ducati. A no-nonsense rider, old style. Not a charismatic star like Valentino, but that makes him perfect as challenger. The antithesis.

Give us Stoner back!

I have to disagree here, CS is far from no-nonsense.....his ....... and whinges are right up there with the best of them (quite Biaggi like). But I feel his days of challenging for the title are gone. Just being fast has never been enough, CS isn't a development rider, if anything the Ducati is going backwards at present and despite his protests otherwise, CS has joined the 'I've been out-psyched by the great man' club.

Your right about the Antithesis, I think Rossi fans enjoy watching VR beat CS far more than Jorhenzo......that being said, it might just take another Catalunya style defeat to push Jorge over the edge and turn him into the new 'Rider the world loves to hate!' although he seems more mentally tough and is challenging VR from a very different place than others previous, same bike, similar garage and similar PR stunts......might prove to be the ultimate pretender or beat the man at his own game-either way its a big risk that certainly takes some 'big balls', you have to give it to Jorhenzo for that.

Enjoy it while it lasts we may only have one more season with the GOAT.....then we'll be stuck with the current afterbirth, hopefully Spies can come in and stir it all up a bit!

J4rn0, what the hell? You have always struck me as one of the few on this forum with a great sense of knowledge and respect for the sport, than you post a thread like this?!!!

If your on the booze, leave the girly fruity drinks to Pinky & stick to the thinking mans poisons.

Lorenzo or Stoner... My vote goes to Lorenzo and its not because i'm a Lorenzo fanboi, but as a rider, boy has skills. Everyone knows the bike and transition from 990 to 800 is the only reason why Stoner won a championship in 2007. He's simply not championship material and i think Lorenzo will get there before he does.

Based on his ability to ride a motorcycle, hes the smoothest rider on the grid. Just watching how smooth he is when he transitions from one side to another is amazing to me. I love his riding style.

As far as competition for Rossi, theyre pretty much on the same equipment and it comes down to the rider. Yes its possible that Rossi gets better "equipment and the newest upgrades" but regardless, theyre both on the same bike.

While Lorenzo crashes a lot and takes huge risks, hes learning a lot and the limits of his motorcycle. I admire how he can crash and still give it 110%, hes fearless and thats effin awesome. While some of you feel that Lorenzo is cocky and arrogant, i believe he finds his drive and determination to be the best from that. So, without his cockyness and arrogance, we'd probably have another "Rossi spanked Stoner" season.

The only thing im unsure about Lorenzo is if he has the ability to develop a bike. Rossi has obviously proved he can win races and develop just about anything into winning bike. Maybe JB has something to do with that too...

Lorenzo is a fantastic talent and i don't find him to be arrogant at all. so what if he has the Lorenzo Land thing? its just a celebration. i'm sure at one time doing a wheelie was considered arrogant and unsportsmanlike.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Aug 9 2009, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This thread is ...... harebrained

I would like to see them both challenge Rossi .

Lorenzo will definitely be a challenger and fingers are crossed for Stoner to come back strong after the break

I agree Johnny. More bikes on the grid and more riders in the battle to knock GOAT off the top spot please.

Gotta admit though, my preference is Jorge....Talented, confident and a tough little .......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ Aug 9 2009, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>J4rn0, what the hell? You have always struck me as one of the few on this forum with a great sense of knowledge and respect for the sport, than you post a thread like this?!!!

If your on the booze, leave the girly fruity drinks to Pinky & stick to the thinking mans poisons.

I haven't been fooled. I've always known J4rn0 to be a Mindless-Cheerleader...and wait for it..a ROSSI-BOPPER of the highest order. (yeah, I said it). Hahaha

The thing is he's subtle about it, and he's got people like Son of Doo quoting him once and declaring it to be the greatest post ever. Hahaha, I just laughed, poor Son of Doo, if only he had been around a few years ago. Ah, but my memory is long, and as I recall, it was during the whole rossi-bridgestone debacle that he showed his true colors. There are only a few rossbobbers left, and I intend to smoke them out. (Even though we've had a few new editions to the playpen).

I called it on another thread, I said it wouldn't be long before the Mindless would start directing their ire at Lorenzo for daring to challenge the Great One. Well here you go again. (This reminds me of a story I heard as a kid, about a scorpion that wanted to cross the river. Well, you can hide your true colors for a while, but not forever.)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Aug 9 2009, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your right about the Antithesis, I think Rossi fans enjoy watching VR beat CS far more than Jorhenzo.....
Everyone including rossi strongly suspecting jorge will never beat him for a world championship might have something to do with it.

ill go with lorenzo, he can push rossi to the limit and we can watch almost every race for nice battle
when stoner we watch a rider that have a fast bike and when he interrupt by rossi (laguna seca), then stoner cry and fall almost every last 2008 race, no mental at all
just he can ride the duc very fast (because the bike is match for his riding style)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cygnus88 @ Aug 10 2009, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ill go with lorenzo, he can push rossi to the limit and we can watch almost every race for nice battle
when stoner we watch a rider that have a fast bike and when he interrupt by rossi (laguna seca), then stoner cry and fall almost every last 2008 race, no mental at all
just he can ride the duc very fast (because the bike is match for his riding style)
You may not have noticed, but rossi is actually fairly good; jorge simply will not beat him over a season, particularly on a bike developed (quite legitimately seeing he is their long term and multiple championship winning number one rider) by and for rossi. The fact that someone as good as jorge can only get fairly close in most races is of course testament to how good valentino is, and probably why rossi fans like jorge .

Ducati on the other hand recognising it was difficult if not impossible to beat rossi by conventional means took a punt on a radical design in concert with the previously second best tyre manufacturer, took a further punt on a wild but fast rider, and won a world championship (fairly handily) for which they and stoner deserve credit not condemnation, even if they could only get the planets to align including stoner's physical and psychological condition for that single season. Valentino fairly clearly rates casey quite highly even if you guys don't.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 9 2009, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I prefer Lorenzo. I like his style on the bike, his confidence, attitude and passport. He may not be as great of a showman as Rossi, but he's a showman nonetheless and every series can always use more showmen.

+1

I don't see how you can criticise Lorenzo's celebrations as stupid, a lot of Rossi's celebrations are just as bad (Motegi 08) & if anyone other than Rossi staged them, they'd be called stupid too.
I agree he came across as arrogant in 250's but since he's moved up that has changed completely. In fact, listening to Lorenzo now I wonder how much those celebrations were his idea, and how much they may have been someone else's, for instance his old manager's?

Can't wait for more Lorenzo's Land celebrations this season. Round the outside for the title!!

go jorge! his celebrations are no worse rossi's rediculous theatrics..... it's gonna be so sweet when lorenzo beats him again!