Give it a rest Vale

Which illustrates what I've been saying for ages. 99% of the time people are not having a go at Rossi, they are having a go at his fans.

Which in turn means that Rossi fans have the right to take any criticism on any forums personally. Not in any way an insult to VR, but a personal attack, an attempted manipulation. & a highly offensive form of bullying.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Aug 15 2007, 12:44 PM) [snapback]84812[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
If any of the riders are racing primarily for the approval of the public i definitely hold very little respect for them.

\without the public and tv ,where is it gonna go?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Aug 15 2007, 12:44 PM) [snapback]84812[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
If any of the riders are racing primarily for the approval of the public i definitely hold very little respect for them.

Ok Tom,without the tv and public,how long would it survive with just people paying money at the gate?

Fair point,Tom.

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Well it would run into a lot of trouble, but this in not relevant to your point or mine. The isle of man TT probably makes a negligable amount from T.V coverage which is basic at best, yet it survives on.

yeah, but its only held once a year and ametures can race , theres a lot more money involved in motogp so they need bums on seats and tv to pay for it.
im not sure how much teams/riders have to pay to race the iom tt but i bet hrc pay a lot more to race in gp

1. Drumfu is right about Rossi not whinging. The press walk around asking Rossi all day long why he is losing for the 2nd year in a row. You can guess that many questions are about Michelin and the tire rule. Obviously, both are having a negative impact on his performance this season so there isn't much positive to say.

2. Even if Rossi was whinging he would have good reason to. Yamaha allied itself with Michelin because Michelin had the best product and the best customer service. Now, rules changes have intentionally taken that advantage away under the guise of cost-elimination-legislation (f1 garbage).

3. 125/250 are not legitimate world titles in the MotoGP realm and that really isn't up for debate. Colin Edwards is not referred to as 2x world champion, and Valentino Rossi is not the 7x World Champion. This "world champion" imbellishment is marketing lipstick applied to ...-up more riders on the grid. This is a page right out of the Rupert Murdoch playbook. You use your media publicity with one product to fabricate credibility and hype your other products (i.e. using your news networks to hype books printed by your publishing company). It's smart, prudent business unless your audience is smart enough to spot it.

4. I actually agree with Tom about TC. TC in cars and motorcycles seeks to accomplish the same goals but it is not implemented in the same fashion and it has different effect on performance. In automobiles you have to account for 2 or 4 wheels all moving at different speeds. In MGP you have to account for 1 wheel that has a varying circumference. That's just one simple difference. If we started talking about how TC should complement chassis oscillations in motorcylces we could be here for months and still never solve anything.

maybe 125 and 250 arent real world titles in the land of america go to italy or japan I have first hand personal experience in both countries and you are wrong. Rossi said himself that when he won the 125cc world championship his life changed because he became a celebrity. I think most of the people here that say they are not real championships are people from countries where the sport is not as popular

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maybe 125 and 250 arent real world titles in the land of america go to italy or japan I have first hand personal experience in both countries and you are wrong. Rossi said himself that when he won the 125cc world championship his life changed because he became a celebrity. I think most of the people here that say they are not real championships are people from countries where the sport is not as popular


Yes, well NASCAR makes you famous in America too, but that ain't a world title either. Oh well, I shouldn't be surprised that's your response-- it's what you've been programed to say.

There are too many premier class champions, premier class race winners, and competitive racers within the premier class who've never raced on a 125cc or 250cc gran prix race bike, for 125cc and 250cc to be considered a world title worthy of merit in the premier class.

Winning 125cc or 250cc is a great accomplishment, but the fact is your still riding a hotted-up weedwhacker in a talent pool significantly smaller than Motogp.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Aug 16 2007, 12:01 PM) [snapback]85040[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
You might notice that as a general rule the rider who perform the best in motogp are those with previous experience on smaller GP machines. The three best rider in the world were 250cc front runners. It is very relevant.


a rider that has been on the same tracks year in year out, they have the advantage...say 2-3 years in 125s, then 250's....6 years of track time then to the GP class....he knows the tracks inside and out...huge advantage..

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Of course, but i think there is much more too it than that.


well no ......there's always variables...
all i'm saying is as a rider, i'f i've been on the same tracks over and over since i was 14-15....now i'm 25.....there's an advantage...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Aug 16 2007, 08:54 AM) [snapback]85037[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yes, well NASCAR makes you famous in America too, but that ain't a world title either. Oh well, I shouldn't be surprised that's your response-- it's what you've been programed to say.

There are too many premier class champions, premier class race winners, and competitive racers within the premier class who've never raced on a 125cc or 250cc gran prix race bike, for 125cc and 250cc to be considered a world title worthy of merit in the premier class.

Winning 125cc or 250cc is a great accomplishment, but the fact is your still riding a hotted-up weedwhacker in a talent pool significantly smaller than Motogp.



and this is a typical american answer as well, maybe if you lived there you would understand but it is impossible for me to make you understand just like it would be impossible for you to explain to me bald eagles hamburgers and nascar

culture differences

oh heres a good example when a winning nfl team wins the super bowl they are crowned world champions but america is the only real country that supports it.. how is that considered a world title