Gardner: Hayden will struggle at Ducati

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71723

I hear the interview on Eurosport, and Wayne was pretty damning of Nicky on a couple of occasions not just on this comment.....

What does Gardner know anyway right?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Oct 26 2008, 07:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71723

I hear the interview on Eurosport, and Wayne was pretty damning of Nicky on a couple of occasions not just on this comment.....

What does Gardner know anyway right?

He once said the same thing about Stoner and look how that turned out.....

I was watching too. I thought Wayne made some good points but ultimately came accross (like so many ex-racers) as someone who hasn't moved on from his own era, so a lot of his comments should be handled with a pinch of salt.

He mentions how Hayden came from dirt tracks so isnt used to strong tc. But wait, where did Casey start his career?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Oct 25 2008, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was watching too. I thought Wayne made some good points but ultimately came accross (like so many ex-racers) as someone who hasn't moved on from his own era, so a lot of his comments should be handled with a pinch of salt.
I don't know what he said but I think you are quite correct about his attitude, one reason I am not a big fan now even though he was why I originally became a bike racing fan.

I too have my doubts, even though I hope he gels on the Ducati.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Oct 25 2008, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was watching too. I thought Wayne made some good points but ultimately came accross (like so many ex-racers) as someone who hasn't moved on from his own era, so a lot of his comments should be handled with a pinch of salt.
Good post Tom.

I recall Gardner once guesting at PI in the commentary box with Toby and Julian - it sounded like he was dazed and confused from a potent score from the night before..he was talking some real googlewack gobshite man -probably the result of some illicit encounter with Anthony Gobert in some iniquitous crack closet in downtown Melbourne...either that or the old codgers goin' senile. I think I know the feeling. Still loved him and his attitude in his day though -Bayliss meets Doohan without the charm

Not saying anything of relevance. Why bother even asking a champion from 20 years ago? Things are completely different now.
Besides which, saying someone is likely to struggle on the duc? Wow, that's a really BIG statement.

I was surprised at a some of the things Gardner said, he also said that he didn't think Hayden was that talented, but he was riding better now, it was just a little too late.
Did he not notice the 2006 season then?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Oct 25 2008, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was surprised at a some of the things Gardner said, he also said that he didn't think Hayden was that talented, but he was riding better now, it was just a little too late.
Did he not notice the 2006 season then?
It would appear that HRC have forgotton too!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Oct 25 2008, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was surprised at a some of the things Gardner said, he also said that he didn't think Hayden was that talented, but he was riding better now, it was just a little too late.
Did he not notice the 2006 season then?
i think Gardner just said it how he see's it and i thought the things he was saying were very interesting. The most interesting for me was when he commented on pedrosa's riding position being all wrong (so much for puigs tutoring then )

a little off topic but in the same interview Julian Ryder asked if it were true that riders don't use traction control when using quali tyres, the interesting bit was know body answered and there was an uncomfortable silence for several seconds. anybody else notice that ?

I think it is more headgames since Gardner is a honda loyal. Whatever?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 26 2008, 12:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think Gardner just said it how he see's it and i thought the things he was saying were very interesting. The most interesting for me was when he commented on pedrosa's riding position being all wrong (so much for puigs tutoring then )

a little off topic but in the same interview Julian Ryder asked if it were true that riders don't use traction control when using quali tyres, the interesting bit was know body answered and there was an uncomfortable silence for several seconds. anybody else notice that ?
No, but like you I did latch on to Gardner's comments about Dani's incorrect body position. I've always regarded Dani's style as impeccable (if not a little unspectacular - but then unspectacular is supposedly fast in today's game) - particularly the way he picks the bike up out of turns so adeptly. Why, I wonder did he think it was all wrong - there must be something glaringly obvious, in view of the fact he is a former 500cc champion. As we all know, riding positions differ from rider to rider - in each case according to their own technique, maybe I misheard and he was referring to Ryder's position being up the ........

Gardner said he thought Nicky would struggle on the bike b/c he (Gardner) had been unable to find a way to ride it.Gardner also said during the broadcast that Nicky had turned the season around and Wayne was surprised b/c he didn't think Nicky had that much talent.

Wayne also talked a lot of trash about Pedrosa. Specifically, he said that Pedrosa isn't fast b/c his body positioning is incorrect.

Wayne also proclaimed that he is Nakano's hero and he took credit for Nakano's results at Sepang b/c he was able to chat with Shinya on the phone to get him prepared for the race.

Gardner seems to live in an alternate universe.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 26 2008, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Gardner said he thought Nicky would struggle on the bike b/c he (Gardner) had been unable to find a way to ride it.Gardner also said during the broadcast that Nicky had turned the season around and Wayne was surprised b/c he didn't think Nicky had that much talent.

Wayne also talked a lot of trash about Pedrosa. Specifically, he said that Pedrosa isn't fast b/c his body positioning is incorrect.

Wayne also proclaimed that he is Nakano's hero and he took credit for Nakano's results at Sepang b/c he was able to chat with Shinya on the phone to get him prepared for the race.

Gardner seems to live in an alternate universe.


Wayne has always had a problem and that's his mouth.
Mick Doohan has never been particularly fond of him either. Casey as well.
Watching Nicky fight his Honda during qualifying, I'm more confident than ever Nicky will be able to tame the Duc. This wont happen overnight though. He needs to come to grips with a new team, a new bike and new tyres. I still wouldn't be surprised if he went quicker than Marco straight off the bat.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Oct 25 2008, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wayne has always had a problem and that's his mouth.
Mick Doohan has never been particularly fond of him either. Casey as well.
Watching Nicky fight his Honda during qualifying, I'm more confident than ever Nicky will be able to tame the Duc. This wont happen overnight though. He needs to come to grips with a new team, a new bike and new tyres. I still wouldn't be surprised if he went quicker than Marco straight off the bat.

I've got no problem with a man speaking his mind, but sometimes you have to laugh when funny stuff comes out.

No love loss with Gardner. He is a great talent from the Golden Era of GP. I find it funny that he speaks relatively lowly of another 1x GP champ who has prestigious dirt track pedigree, even if Gardner does have 6x as many wins a Nick.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 26 2008, 01:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No love loss with Gardner. He is a great talent from the Golden Era of GP. I find it funny that he speaks relatively lowly of another 1x GP champ who has prestigious dirt track pedigree, even if Gardner does have 6x as many wins a Nick.

He didn't exactly lavish mick doohan with praise either, so you don't need to feel he has picked on nicky especially.

I was a big fan when he was racing, but his strong tendency towards the curmudgeonly since his retirement has soured my view of him. As you say his career was a good one and his record particularly in view of the competition he faced speaks for itself, so I don't understand why he has this attitude.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 26 2008, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He didn't exactly lavish mick doohan with praise either, so you don't need to feel he has picked on nicky especially.

I was a big fan when he was racing, but his strong tendency towards the curmudgeonly since his retirement has soured my view of him. As you say his career was a good one and his record particularly in view of the competition he faced speaks for itself, so I don't understand why he has this attitude.
It all went wrong when he started racing cars. Must have been the fumes in the cockpit going to his brain, and turning it to mush. Never doubted his ability on a 500 though. Like Michael said, a lot of Aussies started getting into bikes when he became world champ, so I personally have a lot to thank him for.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (alex29 @ Oct 26 2008, 07:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He once said the same thing about Stoner and look how that turned out.....

Wayne has more opinions than the average opinionated Australian. Opinions however are like arseholes in that everyone has one. Some are better than others, for example Jennifer Hawkins would have a fine freckle and Manuel Uribe's freckle would make a blowfly vomit.

Often Wayne opinions are like Manuel’s arsehole. Pretty ....... rank.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (two-stroke @ Oct 26 2008, 07:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He mentions how Hayden came from dirt tracks so isnt used to strong tc. But wait, where did Casey start his career?

Everybody in motogp except Casey and his team talk about how much TC he uses, they talk about how little he uses, cannot go quick with a computer slowing you down. Yet another example of a bran-laden stalagtite hanging from Manuel’s arsehole now impersonating Wayne Garners mouth.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Oct 26 2008, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It all went wrong when he started racing cars. Must have been the fumes in the cockpit going to his brain, and turning it to mush. Never doubted his ability on a 500 though. Like Michael said, a lot of Aussies started getting into bikes when he became world champ, so I personally have a lot to thank him for.

Me too, sorry Wayne, just shut up right now. You have back peddled so hard on some of the garbage you said about Casey, and even in his bad year on the factory bike you look silly.

Sometimes it is better to close your mouth and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and confirm it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 26 2008, 01:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've got no problem with a man speaking his mind, but sometimes you have to laugh when funny stuff comes out.

No love loss with Gardner. He is a great talent from the Golden Era of GP. I find it funny that he speaks relatively lowly of another 1x GP champ who has prestigious dirt track pedigree, even if Gardner does have 6x as many wins a Nick.
Gards is a bit wierd now he is getting old, seems a bit bitter. Gards was what got me into bike racing as a 10yr old, and theres no doubt he was one of the greats on a 2 Stroke bike. Having said that his whole career, when he has had something to say about Competitors when racing, and now after racing, hasnt always been the nicest comments. I know that when Doohan started in 88 and there were 3 Factory Hondas, Lawson and Doohan didnt get along with Gards, actually since 88 Doohan and Lawson have been life long Mates.. But back to Gards he has never really had good things to say about Casey either, in 2005 when Stoner and West were in 250cc he was on RPM one day saying West is the better rider and Stoner wins cos he is on the better bike, and all Westy needs is a chance.. Oh well as a racer i think Gards was one of the greats, but off the bike he tends to put his foot in it.