Focus on Rossi

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Sep 12 2008, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pete, I'm taking #46's advice: "LOL. Stop wasting your time Mick, Lex is the Pinky of Hayden's fans."

Aye fair enough, I give up........

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BlackKnight @ Sep 12 2008, 12:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My problem Lex, is that your conspiracy theories are so contradictory. Above you suggest that Rossi has no pull with the manufacturers; but does with the head of the governing body?

There's no contradiction unless you believe Bridgestone and DORNA have the same objectives. That's a pretty scandalous allegation, you should be careful.

In fact, they have very different objectives. Ezy wants Rossi to be happy and competitive b/c it drives sales. Bridgestone showed all they care about is winning. Stoner was already the champ, they didn't think Rossi would bring anything to their company. Maybe they were at maximum production capacity as well. One way or another they gave Yamaha a resolute "no". After the tire meetings they said "yes"......................to Rossi. Would Bridgestone have learned of new undiscovered benefits to their company at the tire meetings? Probably not. They were paid or forced to supply.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>If the governing body think that MotoGP will lose revenue if Rossi leaves - then surely Bridgestone stand to gain revenue if he uses their tires? That way they will have the two top riders and will almost be guaranteed the championship.

Quit trying to rewrite history. You can use logic to explain the course of events but you can't use logic to change things that have happened. Bridgestone said "no" very publicly then reversed their decision after private emergency technical meetings. Obviously, they didn't believe they had anything significant to gain. I don't control that and it isn't part of my conspiracy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Could it be that Bridgestone was giving into pressure from Ducati who didn't want their main rival to close the gap by using the superior tires they were running?

Obviously. That is Bridgestone's prerogative. So basically, you've answered your own question. There is a good chance that taking on Rossi would have significantly damaged relations with the team that won them the title. See, you don't need me to answer your questions.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Can you produce evidence in the way of official documents or statements from any of the parties involved? Had there been the changes to the tire rules that you suggest; how come no-one has come out and said it publicly? Are Stoner, Ducati and Bridgestone too afraid? You can be damn sure that if this was the case that Pedrosa and Puig would have been shouting loud enough for undiscovered tribes in the Amazon to hear them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstantial_evidence

Obviously, the teams involved knew the sport was moving in the control tire direction and they were fine using the first part of the season to prepare. Not to mention only one team won the title everyone else would be happy to see their advantage taken away.

I'm sure they all have to sign confidentiality agreements to participate in MSMA and IRTA votes. I doubt very much they would risk expulsion from the sport to make damning allegations against DORNA/Rossi. That's a losing battle as evidenced on this board.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Stoner won the first race in much the same fashion that he dominated last season. Rossi struggled badly, missed the podium and was beaten by a rookie - hardly a substantial advantage.

I've clearly said many times there was no foul play at Qatar. Everyone was running the tires they wanted to run. After Ezy got a look at the results he concluded 2008 was 2007 all over again. Actually it was worse if you compare Qatar, Ezy had seen enough.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Stoner's problems started when Ducati started to change the bike for newer bits. They (like most manufacturers) ran into development problems and as a result Stoner suffered; when they reverted to the older set up, Stoner became quick again. Didn't the camera box fall off of Stoner's bike at one round? Are you going to blame that on Rossi and Bridgestone too?

I'm not blaming Rossi. That is a gross mis-characterization of my argument. I'm suggesting that things are happening behind the scenes. They are geared at changing the sport and creating a pseudo-fair competitive platform. The effects on Stoner are glossed over by the governing body b/c he isn't the preferred winner. Ducati allow it b/c the sport will change whether they like it or not.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>So it would have been acceptable to turn his back on a bike manufacturer when clearly it was the tires that were the problem? That's like curing a headache by cutting off the head! Had he changed bikes, then he would either of had to have Bridgestones anyway (if he had gone to Suzuki) or stick with the Michelins.

Don't pretend like loyalty is one of Rossi's virtues. He bailed on Honda in the blink of an eye.

If changing manufacturers was like cutting off his head, then extorting DORNA was like threatening to shoot the doctor if he doesn't cure your headache. Both are ridiculous overstatements---one make you look stupid the other makes you a criminal. Using the governing body was stooping to a new low any way you slice it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>His tire contract had expired; so why shouldn't he change supplier? He didn't sign a contract for life did he? In my opinion riders should be allowed to have whichever tire supplier they want - otherwise we should have a control tire. It's hardly fair that some riders can choose and others have to stick with one make is it?

So you're clueless as to what went on at the end of last season? That explains your entire post.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Stoner complains about pretty much everything; yet he hasn't complained about his formally faithful tire manufacturer (who were forced to supply someone they didn't like) giving him dodgy tires while the governing body ensure that Rossi wins another title? Ducati sit idly back and let all their good work go to waste (and potentially lose bike sales) due to the governing body refusing to let them win? Do you really think that Bridgestone and Ducati are so gutless that they would let this happen?

Stoner hasn't been vocal about his tires this season? Do you watch the sport?! Did you see Jerez. Did you see China? Did you hear his remarks at LeMans testing? Not vocal about the tires?!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Stoner has looked OK in every practice and qualifying session and in both of the last races, there has been nothing wrong with his race pace prior to binning it.

He was ten seconds slower at China this season. He went off twice at Jerez. He was the fastest man at LeMans testing after Bridgestone agreed to let him use the hard compounds. Do you watch the sport?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I would hardly call Laguna "riding around in circles" and neither 3 or 5 seconds is a "country mile" either

3 to 5 seconds within the first 10 laps was par for the course last year. Now that Rossi has gotten good equipment, it's not a big gap? Yes it is.

Clearly you aren't familiar with my conspiracy. I said the foul play would stop. It did. I said after it stopped Ducati would return to 07 settings. They did. I said 2008 would look like 2007 all over again. With the exception of the crashes, it has.

What do you want me to do? Apologize for predicting the outcome of this utterly obvious sham?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Sep 12 2008, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you think it's all a big fix, why watch it? Why not watch wrestling and moan on their forums about how it is all fixed beforehand?

If I was so convinced that a sport was being run the way you think GP is being run, I would have switched off and found something else to watch.

Get over it for ..... sake.

Pete

I don't think the entire thing is a big fix.

I think they kept it interesting until; let's call it "the chase".

WWF is real too. They really hit one another and they really toss one another around. MotoGP in 2008 is that real as well. Not what I signed up for. I know additional "fixes" will probably not be likely b/c the tire catastrophe was unique.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 12 2008, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He was ten seconds slower at China this season. He went off twice at Jerez. He was the fastest man at LeMans testing after Bridgestone agreed to let him use the hard compounds. Do you watch the sport?



3 to 5 seconds within the first 10 laps was par for the course last year. Now that Rossi has gotten good equipment, it's not a big gap? Yes it is.

Clearly you aren't familiar with my conspiracy. I said the foul play would stop. It did. I said after it stopped Ducati would return to 07 settings. They did. I said 2008 would look like 2007 all over again. With the exception of the crashes, it has.

What do you want me to do? Apologize for predicting the outcome of this utterly obvious sham?


No just ...... grow up. Stoner keeps crashing, thats why he cant win coz he's lying on his arse. Even ...... Randy Mamola (who is not known for his pro Rossi standing, and also rides the Ducati 2 seater) was sayin on Eurosport that Stoner is putting himself under too much pressure just now. (Note I'm saying he pits HIMSELF under too much pressure) I said earlier this year that if he didnt lighten up he was in danger of becoming the new Freddie Spencer, but you wouldnt know who Spencer is because youve spent your life watchin the X files and other FICTIONAL conspiracy theories.

It's amazing I have never hit ignore for anyone, including ToniElias, Pinky and even Alphabet and the Stoner fan club who ran away. (Current Stoner fans not included) but this ...... nonsense is just a waste of bandwidth and I'm going for ignore so I don't have to read anymore of this fukin nonsense.

Pete

Good thing is that you don't need to take anything lex says seriously. It's funny .....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Sep 13 2008, 03:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Aye fair enough, I give up........

Pete

Wander's right, its well thought out, well written, entertaining... like watching a demented genius create Franken-posts!!

I admit i've had a couple of pints right now. But I have to ask, Lex are you just joking or are you a total ....?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 12 2008, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Obviously, the riders don't know what's going on.

So how exactly do you think they could miss something which you can detect, they have every source available that you do, and almost certainly a considerably larger insight into the workings?

This is no longer a conspiracy, if you don't get it it will be because you dont want the truth or perhaps you are a Rossie groupie.

Lex has provided the clues so go and investigate them for yourself?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 11 2008, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the duc mabe still the fastest bike and stoner the fastest man on the grid as long as he is on his optimum race line, but when he has to use different lines while battling it all goes pear shaped

Once Stoner "found" the right setup and package for the season he has been a lot faster than Rossi and the rest of the field. Only the Laguna race did Stoner have to change his lines. We know the other races stories. The last 2 races Rossi was not even close to batteling with Stoner at the time of the crash, of course we can all speculate on what could have been. Stoner is beating himself and Rossi is being consistent.

As far as the topic is concerned, Rossi did seam a bit unfocused for 2006 and very focused in 2007 although the package was not there and even the great one could not overcome it. I agree in the fact that he pretty much started preparing for 2008 after midseason.

2006 Unfocused bad luck and I would argue a pretty worthy opponent in Hayden.
2007 Back to focused but no good equipment. Can Rossi win on a ...... bike? Maybe on the 990 but not anymore.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 13 2008, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So how exactly do you think they could miss something which you can detect, they have every source available that you do, and almost certainly a considerably larger insight into the workings?

First, I do think they can detect some of the things going on. Stoner has cried foul many a times this season.

Stoner whined hugely at Jerez, China, and LeMans testing.

Dani had a blow-up at Jerez when Michelin refused to bring his front tire. Puig suppressed it and for whatever reason (be it conspiracy or not) Dani was the only Michelin runner on a hard rear at Jerez. He won by a country mile as a result.

Seriously, why were the tire manufacturers/teams telling the riders what they could run and what they couldn't at the opening rounds?

If you believe the line being fed to the commentators it was because Michelin and Bridgestone had determined the recommended compounds were the best tires for the circuit du jour. Stoner didn't agree and he was very vocal about it. I don't agree either

Second, how many Bridgestone riders were returning to a similar package for 2008? I'll tell you, Verme, West, and Stoner (weird, first time I've noticed they're all Aussies). Kawasaki has never run the new 2008 compounds so west wouldn't have anything to complain about. 50% of the riders who ran the 08s threw a tantrum at the beginning of the season, the other one didn't get interviewed after every race so who knows?

Obviously, some of it was Bridgestone testing the new 2008 compounds that they had started testing in 2007. But data revealed that the 2007 compounds were still much better at Estoril and China yet Bridgestone still failed to supply them to Stoner. China is the real puzzler b/c Stoner was slower in every freakin' session and B-stone still refused to give him the 2007's. Apparently, Kawasaki was allowed to have them though? Brno was the same way. Kawasaki looked like they had found something. After the race in an unrelated interview Hopkins revealed they are the only team running the 2007 Bridgestones. Obviously those tires still have life in them, and obviously Stoner ain't getting them any more.

After smoking the entire field with the 2007 Bridgestones, Casey hasn't run them again, and it isn't because he hasn't been asking.

Third, consider how well coached the riders are with the press There are things that go on in a team that they can't talk about and the team can cut them off from the media whenever they want (as seen with Melandri this year). Slagging your manufacturer or your sponsors publicly is near heresy. Releasing sensitive team information is cause for expulsion. Imagine if you dropped a bomb on the press by saying you thought the governing body was tampering with the tires at the beginning of the season? How well has it been received on here?

The mild insults and tin-foil pictures are nothing compared to what a motogp rider would face for stating the sport is fixed.

Right-o then Lex; let's make it simple...

Who are the guilty parties when it comes to your theory of fixing the races - and what are their goals?

Is it:

a ) Dorna - who only ever want Rossi to be king and handicap all other riders at all costs?

b ) Bridgestone - who after winning a title with Stoner and initially refusing to supply Rossi have become turncoats and now make sure that he cannot win; although only AFTER giving him practice and qualifying tyres with which he can smoke the field by anything up to a second a lap

c ) Ducati - who fail to report all the interfering from the above two and let their rider get shafted

d ) The mafia - after all; Rossi is Italian!

I am pretty sure that were Dorna to try and influence the results (as you are suggesting) then they would be breaking a whole host of laws regarding match fixing (and potentially fraud). If you really do believe what you preach then you should contact the authorities.

Rossi will not continue racing for ever and so to jeopardize the entire sport of motorcycle racing for one racer; who will only be racing for a couple of years is a bit of a gamble don't you think?

If the powers that be wanted to prevent Stoner from repeating his performance last year then surely it would have been much simpler to make the teams go back to 990s? Or ban traction control?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BlackKnight @ Sep 14 2008, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Right-o then Lex; let's make it simple...

Who are the guilty parties when it comes to your theory of fixing the races - and what are their goals?

Is it:

a ) Dorna - who only ever want Rossi to be king and handicap all other riders at all costs?

b ) Bridgestone - who after winning a title with Stoner and initially refusing to supply Rossi have become turncoats and now make sure that he cannot win; although only AFTER giving him practice and qualifying tyres with which he can smoke the field by anything up to a second a lap

c ) Ducati - who fail to report all the interfering from the above two and let their rider get shafted

d ) The mafia - after all; Rossi is Italian!

I am pretty sure that were Dorna to try and influence the results (as you are suggesting) then they would be breaking a whole host of laws regarding match fixing (and potentially fraud). If you really do believe what you preach then you should contact the authorities.

Rossi will not continue racing for ever and so to jeopardize the entire sport of motorcycle racing for one racer; who will only be racing for a couple of years is a bit of a gamble don't you think?

If the powers that be wanted to prevent Stoner from repeating his performance last year then surely it would have been much simpler to make the teams go back to 990s? Or ban traction control?
that could explain why gibbers go so beat up

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BlackKnight @ Sep 14 2008, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Right-o then Lex; let's make it simple...

Who are the guilty parties when it comes to your theory of fixing the races - and what are their goals?

If the powers that be wanted to prevent Stoner from repeating his performance last year then surely it would have been much simpler to make the teams go back to 990s? Or ban traction control?

These questions make no sense if you've read what I've said, but thanks for asking so I can state plainly why I am revealing to you the anomalies that suggest somethings stinks.

1. THERE IS NO ONE TO BLAME The sport has gotten out of hand b/c the MSMA overreacted to Kato's passing. Ezy caved like a tower of cards. The rider's are too fast. The tires are too good. The electronics suck. It is not anyone's fault in particular, MotoGP just worked itself into a crisis naturally.

2. THE REASON I'M POINTING THE ANOMALIES OUT IS B/C THE PROBLEM IS BEING SOLVED INAPPROPRIATELY. In the wake of these crises within the sport Ezy is using artistic license to unfairly change the sport for viewership reasons.

There are no powers preventing Stoner from winning, but I'm upset b/c this season isn't the natural continuation of last season. It is an over-politicized, over-compromised script. Stoner plays a reduced role by design and he is having a harder time repeating as a result.

No, Ezy couldn't go back to the 990s and he can't ban traction control without council vote. Furthermore, if you haven't noticed, technical changes have a long phase-in and Ezy's job is on the line now. The tires are not controlled by the council and Ezy doesn't have to consult anyone to make changes necessary for the sport (He said so himself). How many times does Burgess have to publicly say that Ezy needs to market the sport and stop messing with the MSMA? If he's willing to say it out loud, Ezy is probably hounding them daily to make sweeping changes. Ezy doesn't sit around and watch things play out, does he?

After all of the information over the last couple of months I have made some tweaks to my theory. I think the following may have happened. [Next Post]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 15 2008, 07:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> These questions make no sense if you've read what I've said, but thanks for asking so I can state plainly why I am revealing to you the anomalies that suggest somethings stinks.

1. THERE IS NO ONE TO BLAME The sport has gotten out of hand b/c the MSMA overreacted to Kato's passing. Ezy caved like a tower of cards. The rider's are too fast. The tires are too good. The electronics suck. It is not anyone's fault in particular, MotoGP just worked itself into a crisis naturally.

2. THE REASON I'M POINTING THE ANOMALIES OUT IS B/C THE PROBLEM IS BEING SOLVED INAPPROPRIATELY. In the wake of these crises within the sport Ezy is using artistic license to unfairly change the sport for viewership reasons.

There are no powers preventing Stoner from winning, but I'm upset b/c this season isn't the natural continuation of last season. It is an over-politicized, over-compromised script. Stoner plays a reduced role by design and he is having a harder time repeating as a result.

No, Ezy couldn't go back to the 990s and he can't ban traction control without council vote. Furthermore, if you haven't noticed, technical changes have a long phase-in and Ezy's job is on the line now. The tires are not controlled by the council and Ezy doesn't have to consult anyone to make changes necessary for the sport (He said so himself). How many times does Burgess have to publicly say that Ezy needs to market the sport and stop messing with the MSMA? If he's willing to say it out loud, Ezy is probably hounding them daily to make sweeping changes. Ezy doesn't sit around and watch things play out, does he?

After all of the information over the last couple of months I have made some tweaks to my theory. I think the following may have happened. [Next Post]
Lex, are you serious? Because if so, then I think you're suffering schizophrenia.
I think you should exam yourself at the mental hospital before it's getting too late
Get well soon Lexy , oh and don't forget the nurse's phone number