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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Dec 17 2008, 07:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72511
These are the weakest arguments I have ever read.
1. Surely we cannot continue at this pace
2. F1 is cutting costs so must we
A highly intellectual stance from one of the sport's best.
Didn't they just shove a bunk control tire down our throats this season in the name of safety and cost cutting? DORNA couldn't even introduce a control tire properly; although, I suspect they didn't have much choice when Michelin announced it was leaving at the end of 2007.
These are the weakest arguments I have ever read.
1. Surely we cannot continue at this pace
2. F1 is cutting costs so must we
A highly intellectual stance from one of the sport's best.
Didn't they just shove a bunk control tire down our throats this season in the name of safety and cost cutting? DORNA couldn't even introduce a control tire properly; although, I suspect they didn't have much choice when Michelin announced it was leaving at the end of 2007.
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save money? thats easy... Bring the 990 back...toss out all rider aids...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ninja10 @ Dec 17 2008, 11:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Save even more money get rid of 4 strokes and bring back 500 two strokes....
thats stupid.
thats stupid.
Stop introducing stupid rules that force Manufacturers to use such expensive technology,its supposed to be a prototype series so why such restrictive rules?!"Eliminate Carbon Brakes?"No eliminate electronic aids!
I propose:
990cc four strokes or 550cc two strokes no traction control/fuel restriction.Manufacturers who field both a four and two stroke bike must demonstrate equal development so two strokes dont become uncompetitive and irrelevant.Ah well if only
I propose:
990cc four strokes or 550cc two strokes no traction control/fuel restriction.Manufacturers who field both a four and two stroke bike must demonstrate equal development so two strokes dont become uncompetitive and irrelevant.Ah well if only
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Dec 18 2008, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, 2 Stroke 550 or 2 stroke 600. That would be incredible.
Stoner has always said he would prefer the 2 stroke 500s instead of the current formula.
I don't think Stoner can handle the 500 2 strokers.
Stoner has always said he would prefer the 2 stroke 500s instead of the current formula.
I don't think Stoner can handle the 500 2 strokers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Dec 19 2008, 01:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think Stoner can handle the 500 2 strokers.
based on what evidence?
based on what evidence?
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cut costs or go bust.
honda have gone from F1 and scooby /prodrive from wrc, if that aint a wake up call then i dont know what is !
dust off the 500's
honda have gone from F1 and scooby /prodrive from wrc, if that aint a wake up call then i dont know what is !
dust off the 500's
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Dec 19 2008, 02:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>based on what evidence?
his huge .....
his huge .....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Dec 17 2008, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>save money? thats easy... Bring the 990 back...toss out all rider aids...
+1 brother.
+1 brother.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Dec 19 2008, 09:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>his huge <strike>traction-control</strike> .....
You, my friend, are hilarious.
I would imagine that Stoner has evolved himself into a rider 'that simply cannot run at the front without the help of electronic aid'.
Could he be Top Dawg on a big 'stroker?? Not with the current style he uses, which is 'lean over, go into corner, rip throttle WIDE ...... OPEN and let the bike-brains sort it out....
The big 2-stroke bikes are about nothing BUT throttle control, so did Stoner display that talent on the 250s??
(Ha, Casey on a 550-600cc 2-stroke would spend more time upside-down in the gravel than JorgeLorenzo did in '08!)
You, my friend, are hilarious.
I would imagine that Stoner has evolved himself into a rider 'that simply cannot run at the front without the help of electronic aid'.
Could he be Top Dawg on a big 'stroker?? Not with the current style he uses, which is 'lean over, go into corner, rip throttle WIDE ...... OPEN and let the bike-brains sort it out....
The big 2-stroke bikes are about nothing BUT throttle control, so did Stoner display that talent on the 250s??
(Ha, Casey on a 550-600cc 2-stroke would spend more time upside-down in the gravel than JorgeLorenzo did in '08!)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tlrwinder @ Dec 19 2008, 11:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would imagine that Stoner has evolved himself into a rider 'that simply cannot run at the front without the help of electronic aid'.
Could he be Top Dawg on a big 'stroker?? Not with the current style he uses, which is 'lean over, go into corner, rip throttle WIDE ...... OPEN and let the bike-brains sort it out....
The big 2-stroke bikes are about nothing BUT throttle control, so did Stoner display that talent on the 250s??
(Ha, Casey on a 550-600cc 2-stroke would spend more time upside-down in the gravel than JorgeLorenzo did in '08!)
You must be one of the people that think that the only reason Casey won was because of a superior electronic package
If you are saying that he can't ride then you are dilusional. I bet 2006 would have looked a lot different had Casey recieved any kind of tire support. Think about it.
Could he be Top Dawg on a big 'stroker?? Not with the current style he uses, which is 'lean over, go into corner, rip throttle WIDE ...... OPEN and let the bike-brains sort it out....
The big 2-stroke bikes are about nothing BUT throttle control, so did Stoner display that talent on the 250s??
(Ha, Casey on a 550-600cc 2-stroke would spend more time upside-down in the gravel than JorgeLorenzo did in '08!)
You must be one of the people that think that the only reason Casey won was because of a superior electronic package
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Dec 19 2008, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You must be one of the people that think that the only reason Casey won was because of a superior electronic package
If you are saying that he can't ride then you are dilusional. I bet 2006 would have looked a lot different had Casey recieved any kind of tire support. Think about it.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Dec 19 2008, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you think about it style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif
I await the day when you provide a post worth the fraction of a penny it cost me in internet subscription for those four seconds it took me to read said post.
I await the day when you provide a post worth the fraction of a penny it cost me in internet subscription for those four seconds it took me to read said post.
Curve you need to go back and watch the Mugello race when Stoner was having problems with the clutch. Apparently, the clutch wasn't working properly under braking and the the engine braking was causing a bit of a lock up at the rear wheel.
There is plenty of footage showing Stoner teasing the clutch lever during corner entry to help alleviate the clutch problems. That's old school
There is plenty of footage showing Stoner teasing the clutch lever during corner entry to help alleviate the clutch problems. That's old school
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Dec 19 2008, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You must be one of the people that think that the only reason Casey won was because of a superior electronic package
If you are saying that he can't ride then you are dilusional. I bet 2006 would have looked a lot different had Casey recieved any kind of tire support. Think about it.
Okay, I've thought about it. For, like, about 2 seconds. Now, let me clarify...
I was not implying that Casey does not have what it takes to man-handle a Big-Boy Bike. I think the kid is super-talented, no doubt about it. I'm just saying that he would have to seriously RE-VAMP his riding style, his whole thought process of how to react to what the bike is doing underneath him.
And, for the record.... did casey/ducati catch everyone with their pants down in '07? Yes, I think they did.
Was any other rider able to 'trust' their machine's electronics to the extent that Casey was able to? No, I do not think so. Hence, the advantage.
Would Casey Stoner be able to ride a bike in the same manner that Nicky is oh-so-fond of, i.e. back wagging all over the place on corner entry AND corner exit. Yes, I think he can. (CS has some dirt-track background, no?)
So, don't get me wrong. I like the guy. Okay........ Thought about it
Okay, I've thought about it. For, like, about 2 seconds. Now, let me clarify...
I was not implying that Casey does not have what it takes to man-handle a Big-Boy Bike. I think the kid is super-talented, no doubt about it. I'm just saying that he would have to seriously RE-VAMP his riding style, his whole thought process of how to react to what the bike is doing underneath him.
And, for the record.... did casey/ducati catch everyone with their pants down in '07? Yes, I think they did.
Was any other rider able to 'trust' their machine's electronics to the extent that Casey was able to? No, I do not think so. Hence, the advantage.
Would Casey Stoner be able to ride a bike in the same manner that Nicky is oh-so-fond of, i.e. back wagging all over the place on corner entry AND corner exit. Yes, I think he can. (CS has some dirt-track background, no?)
So, don't get me wrong. I like the guy. Okay........ Thought about it
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Dec 20 2008, 05:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I await the day when you provide a post worth the fraction of a penny it cost me in internet subscription for those four seconds it took me to read said post.
It took you four seconds to read Curvey's post?
It took you four seconds to read Curvey's post?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tlrwinder @ Dec 20 2008, 01:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Okay, I've thought about it. For, like, about 2 seconds. Now, let me clarify...
I was not implying that Casey does not have what it takes to man-handle a Big-Boy Bike. I think the kid is super-talented, no doubt about it. I'm just saying that he would have to seriously RE-VAMP his riding style, his whole thought process of how to react to what the bike is doing underneath him.
And, for the record.... did casey/ducati catch everyone with their pants down in '07? Yes, I think they did.
Was any other rider able to 'trust' their machine's electronics to the extent that Casey was able to? No, I do not think so. Hence, the advantage.
Would Casey Stoner be able to ride a bike in the same manner that Nicky is oh-so-fond of, i.e. back wagging all over the place on corner entry AND corner exit. Yes, I think he can. (CS has some dirt-track background, no?)
So, don't get me wrong. I like the guy. Okay........ Thought about it
As I would assume is obvious, I am a reasonably rabid stoner fan, but I think it is fair to say he didn't demonstrate much ability to change the way he rode or his race tactics on the ducati in 2007 or for most of 2008, essentially riding the thing as hard as he could pretty much from the start of most races. He in fact to my eyes in 2007 at least looked more ragged in those few races in which he rode for a place than in the races where he rode in hyperdrive at the front, with the only alternative to 11 tenths pace for him appearing to be about 7 tenths; I have previously speculated that this might be the only way the ducati could be ridden.
In the 2 races he won in 2008 after his putative wrist injury he appeared to ride more tactically and did vary his pace in what seemed a controlled fashion, which was presumably necessary to rest his wrist. I think if he can do this in 2009, whether due to having learned to do so or to changes to the ducati, it could make him a more dangerous opponent for rossi, although admittedly valentino was not in a position to apply much pressure in the 2 races to which I refer.
I think casey has been fast on any bike he has ridden and would be fast on a 500 two-stroke without electronic aids, the question more being how much he would crash on such a bike compared to his 250 days, and as I have argued in previous discussions verging on the interminable I believe factors such as the likelihood of him having matured as a rider and being on a front -line bike would come into play as well as the possibility, which I do not completely dismiss, that he is somehow uniquely advantaged by electronic aids.
I was not implying that Casey does not have what it takes to man-handle a Big-Boy Bike. I think the kid is super-talented, no doubt about it. I'm just saying that he would have to seriously RE-VAMP his riding style, his whole thought process of how to react to what the bike is doing underneath him.
And, for the record.... did casey/ducati catch everyone with their pants down in '07? Yes, I think they did.
Was any other rider able to 'trust' their machine's electronics to the extent that Casey was able to? No, I do not think so. Hence, the advantage.
Would Casey Stoner be able to ride a bike in the same manner that Nicky is oh-so-fond of, i.e. back wagging all over the place on corner entry AND corner exit. Yes, I think he can. (CS has some dirt-track background, no?)
So, don't get me wrong. I like the guy. Okay........ Thought about it
As I would assume is obvious, I am a reasonably rabid stoner fan, but I think it is fair to say he didn't demonstrate much ability to change the way he rode or his race tactics on the ducati in 2007 or for most of 2008, essentially riding the thing as hard as he could pretty much from the start of most races. He in fact to my eyes in 2007 at least looked more ragged in those few races in which he rode for a place than in the races where he rode in hyperdrive at the front, with the only alternative to 11 tenths pace for him appearing to be about 7 tenths; I have previously speculated that this might be the only way the ducati could be ridden.
In the 2 races he won in 2008 after his putative wrist injury he appeared to ride more tactically and did vary his pace in what seemed a controlled fashion, which was presumably necessary to rest his wrist. I think if he can do this in 2009, whether due to having learned to do so or to changes to the ducati, it could make him a more dangerous opponent for rossi, although admittedly valentino was not in a position to apply much pressure in the 2 races to which I refer.
I think casey has been fast on any bike he has ridden and would be fast on a 500 two-stroke without electronic aids, the question more being how much he would crash on such a bike compared to his 250 days, and as I have argued in previous discussions verging on the interminable I believe factors such as the likelihood of him having matured as a rider and being on a front -line bike would come into play as well as the possibility, which I do not completely dismiss, that he is somehow uniquely advantaged by electronic aids.
