Estoril Predictions

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 13 2008, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well i know you have trouble understanding things sometimes, but peak power is not the only factor in determining the performance of a racing motorcycle. And there are further facotrs outside of the bike that determine the racing performance.
you talk much but say very little. you say i dont understand but state no facts.

you said wet races are not an equalizer yet by the people who win them we see they are... what's not to understand ? the proof is in the pudding as they say.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Apr 11 2008, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>wet hayden to bin it
dry hayden to bin it


werd

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Apr 13 2008, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>werd
you jinxed him pinky

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Apr 13 2008, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>werd
do you mean... weird?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Apr 13 2008, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>do you mean... weird?

no he is saying word meaning he is agreeing with the comment he made before the race

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 13 2008, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you talk much but say very little. you say i dont understand but state no facts.

you said wet races are not an equalizer yet by the people who win them we see they are... what's not to understand ? the proof is in the pudding as they say.

Well, he has been talking about power delivery and chassi but the fact is that in general this is all proerties that the top teams excell in so how that would be at advantage for a bike with a badly tuned engine with nothing but peaky top end power and yesterdays suspension is still a mystery.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 13 2008, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you talk much but say very little. you say i dont understand but state no facts.

you said wet races are not an equalizer yet by the people who win them we see they are... what's not to understand ? the proof is in the pudding as they say.

Consider a hypothetical situation where there are two bikes, each with different Chassis designs and setups. They have different geometry and different stiffnesses, they offer different forces and weight transfers to their different tyres. These tyres heat up in different ways and offer differing amounts of grip and longevity. The bikes engines have different amounts of power and different power deliveries. You honestly believe that due to the fact that the surface is wet, these bikes will both offer the same maximum speed capability, feel and feedback as each other?

If rain was in fact a "leveler" and what you are suggesting is true then we would be witnessing one of the biggest coincedences ever. Furthermore teams would never have to concern themselfes with wet setups or developing rain tyres, because ultimately all equipment would be equal regardless of science. Imagine the time and money they could save with this phenomenon.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 12 2008, 01:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well the alternative demands of wet racing obviously avoided some of the suzukis more significant shortfalls. And Obviously Kenny deserves some credit too, he rode very well.
Here you sort of got the point about rain being a leveller (as opposed to making all bikes equal, which no-one has argued). I agree KRJR rode to the best of his ability, but presumably he did that in the dry too. And got pretty much no-where in 2005.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 14 2008, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Consider a hypothetical situation where there are two bikes, each with different Chassis designs and setups. They have different geometry and different stiffnesses, they offer different forces and weight transfers to their different tyres. These tyres heat up in different ways and offer differing amounts of grip and longevity. The bikes engines have different amounts of power and different power deliveries. You honestly believe that due to the fact that the surface is wet, these bikes will both offer the same maximum speed capability, feel and feedback as each other?

If rain was in fact a "leveler" and what you are suggesting is true then we would be witnessing one of the biggest coincedences ever. Furthermore teams would never have to concern themselfes with wet setups or developing rain tyres, because ultimately all equipment would be equal regardless of science. Imagine the time and money they could save with this phenomenon.
Here you're trying to prove that rain doesn't make all bikes equal.

Stop - we know it doesn't. And it does not change the fact that rain can be a leveller, particularly related to power shortcomings.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Apr 14 2008, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And it does not change the fact that rain can be a leveller, particularly related to power shortcomings.

Well we have clearly established that rain doesn't level racing bikes chassis performance, and naturally these different chassis and tyre performances will allow different amounts of power to be afectively applied to the ground. Applicable and useful power will be furtheraffected by its delivery characteristics, something which is a direct reflection of the engines tuning and therefore peak power. So perhaps peak power is not as technically significant in the rain as it is in the dry but this focus is mearly shifted elswhere which is perfectly normal as the demands change, just as they do from circuit to circuit.

I had to work a boat show Sunday and missed the race.Last night was the first opportunity i had to watch the race and all i can say is WOW,Lorenzo is for real.The first 2 races i kept thinking it was smoke and mirrors but this kid is good.The pass's that he makes are precise and daring and he dont care who it is and he will make them when they are the least expected.A few observations.Rossi has his hands full with the amount of competition that exists at this point.He could have very easily finished 5th had it not been for some untimely mistakes on Dovi's and Hayden's part.Hayden was coming fast when he binned it.The Ducati is possesed,half way thru the race it came on and was running very good lap times.Was it track conditions,to hard a tire in the beginning or Stoner getting his confidence back after binning the bike the last 4 times he sat on it.He is by no means out of it but China could be a turning point for the good or bad.As good as Lorenzo and Pedro are running,he needs to start chipping away now.I see Rossi and Stoner,or Stoner and Rossi 1st and 2nd at China,with Lorenzo 3rd,Pedro 4th,and either Edwards or Toesland 5th.This is shaping up as a 4 horse race that i believe will go right down to the last race.