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Engine Situation?

They say there was an understanding from the beginning that Suzuki may have a special treatment... the other manufacturers agreed to this in advance, if I understand it properly. Bah. They implemented a new rule, knowing beforehand that Suzuki would not observe it?
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According to MCN, the move came as part of an unwritten understanding among the manufacturers agreed at the start of the season that Suzuki would be given special dispensation to run more motors if they got into trouble during the season.

All sounds a bit ominous to me. Did the other freely agree . Judging by colins anger i doubt it.
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Toby Autosport



The problems with MotoGP's engine limits
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This season each MotoGP rider has to make six engines last all year. Toby Moody explains why that rule could be harming the spectacle rather than achieving its cost-cutting aim
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Kevin Schwantz was in the commentary box on Saturday afternoon for 10 minutes that turned into 40 because Jorge Lorenzo's four-cylinder Yamaha engine decided to explode into a million pieces halfway through qualifying. Red-lining it in each gear means that MotoGP engines are doing 300 revs a second. The thing had no chance.



The 1993 world champion leaned over to the right of the box, craning his neck towards the first corner where there was a load of very white smoke. We soon knew where it was coming from and what it had then caused as Ben Spies and the helpless Randy de Puniet hit the oil at unabated speed. De Puniet careered into the gravel and clipped the front off Spies' Yamaha with his legs in the process.



"It was over 200km/h on the data," said de Puniet when I spoke with him later, as he hobbled away towards a welcome dinner. He was lucky not to have suffered worse...



Amazingly the Frenchman was out there the next day aboard the #14 RC 212V, but turned out to be the unluckiest person in Germany as he then had his leg run over by Mika Kallio in the race-stopping incident.





It was such a horrendous injury that it took the doctors 38 minutes to get his boot off while he screamed in pain. People had to leave the medical centre, so chilling were his screams.



Was de Puniet's Saturday crash part of the reason why he fell on Sunday's race? We'll never know, but you just can't help but think that it might have been a contributory factor aboard a bike with 240+ bhp and with legs that were a bit tender.



"It's strange to see a MotoGP bike crash there..." said his team boss Lucio Cecchinello on Sunday evening. It was, yes, and the more I think about it, the odder it seems because no one else went down there all weekend.



With de Puniet and Aleix Espargaro injured in that incident, and Alvaro Bautista not allowed to start due to the crystal clear rule that you have to ride your bike back to the pits in order to take the restart, plus Colin Edwards having fallen off earlier, and Mika Kallio tipped off on the very first turn of the restart, there were only 12 bikes in the race. It all looked a bit thin.



So was all of this was down to the engine limits of just six engines per entry for 18 races? In other words, could you blame the rules for Lorenzo's engine failure and that engine failure for inadvertently leading to de Puniet's field-decimating Sunday crash too?





If you do 600kms over a grand prix weekend then that's 10,800kms over the season - which translates to 1,800kms per engine from Qatar to Valencia. But for the privateers it's more of a stretch as they have to do the three pre-seasons tests and the two Monday tests at Jerez and Brno with their season's six engines. That then means that the LCRs and the Interwettens are doing 15,300kms on those six motors, leaving them to do 2,550kms each engine.



When Lorenzo's four-cylinder blew up on Saturday at what he confirmed, publicly, to be 1,500kms, I got my calculator out. Sure, the Yamaha works engines only have to do 1,800kms each, but they are being stressed further because they have more revs than the privateer bikes, and top end revs cost money.



That's probably all under control with Yamaha and its experience, but what if it loses an engine with a humongous crash where Jorge spills off, but the bike cannons into a barrier at 200km/h and gets some armco puncturing the block? It'll be in the skip before it's cold.



Suzuki has been granted an extra three engines for the remainder of the 2010 season – 50 per cent more than the others to make it nine it can use. There may well be some ructions within the paddock as to why Suzuki should get a break. Is it because it is thinking of leaving? One would be hugely disappointed if it did, but in terms of results, it would be understandable.



There is form in this area with Kawasaki already having pulled out over Christmas 2008. Dorna must be terrified every time there is a +81 Japan code telephone call flashing up on its screen at the moment. Maybe the call has come already and this is one way of appeasing Suzuki? All the other manufacturers surely must have been consulted about this, and they must have agreed to it because in all honesty, Suzuki is hardly a threat is it?





However, given that Suzuki has just been given a break before even 50 per cent of the championship has taken place, what must the other teams be thinking in the back of their minds?



Repsol Honda has looked after its engines diligently and carefully, but could it ask that its helping hand will be that it could bore out its remaining engines to 850cc...? Might Ducati ask that it only uses five engines, but put a 990cc rip snorter back in...?



Looking back, it's easy to be clever after the event, but why in heaven's name the switch was made to 800cc was ever made still seems odd. The death of Daijiro Kato on a Honda at Honda's track surely swung things. People were saying that it was the power of the 990cc bike and that it was too much for the riders. They conveniently forgot that accidents can happen anywhere with freak circumstances too. See Valentino Rossi breaking his leg in the world's largest gravel trap or Supersport rider Craig Jones losing his life at Brand Hatch in the most freakish of all freak accidents.



The six engines a year rule might have looked okay, but the development needed back in Japan and Bologna with engines being thrashed constantly on dynos is not seen. Stretching slave engines to their limit and then losing them still costs cash. The metal, the engine builder and the dyno time is still the same whether the engine goes onto a dyno or into a bike, so why not bolt some of these engines into a bike and not have all of this silliness of engines blowing up behind closed doors on a wet Wednesday in April?



Two of Lorenzo's six engines have blown already (the other one was at Assen) and a further two have a load of miles on them before the halfway point of the 2010 season this weekend. He must be nervous about anything else going wrong, because using any more than your six engines means you have to start from the pitlane 10 seconds after the start.



Perhaps some teams exceeding the engine limits could put in a fire-breathing 150km engine just for Sunday only and see what they could do from the back...? The rules allow it! If that hasn't crossed some people's minds, then they might want to look into that for a place like Sepang because the pit exit is 0.4 kms ahead of the startline. The same distance advantage is true at Valencia where it takes 10 seconds for the grid to reach the apex point of the first corner, which is not too far beyond the pitlane exit.



What we don't want is free practice sessions where riders are sitting around waiting for time to tick away as they daren't risk any more miles on their engines. That fills me with dread and something needs to be done about it so we don't look silly. So give everyone – and I mean the teams, the sport and the fans - a break and let the teams all have another three engines. It will be better for the sport in the long run.
 
Silly question, but if a rider uses all his engines by say, round 10 (as in they all blow up), will he have to start from the pitlane for the remaining 6 rounds?





As I understand it, the rider starts from the pit lane only for the first race at which the new engine is used. If the engine lasts for two more races, the rider has no further penalty.



What I'd like to know is, how much time is a new engine worth? If the track isn't too hard on fuel, it might be possible to squeeze another 15~20(?) HP out of a one-race kamazake engine. What's that worth in terms of lap time?





What I want to know is how wide is pit lane?.......

What if we get, I don't know lets say, 4 bikes having to start from pit lane, because of engine restrictions, will they have an advantage because they will be closer to the first bend? how dangerous will it be with half of the pack running down the staight into 1st bend and 4 bikes coming in from the right. Already on the racing line for first bend!
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All sounds badly thought out to me.
 
What I want to know is how wide is pit lane?.......

What if we get, I don't know lets say, 4 bikes having to start from pit lane, because of engine restrictions, will they have an advantage because they will be closer to the first bend? how dangerous will it be with half of the pack running down the staight into 1st bend and 4 bikes coming in from the right. Already on the racing line for first bend!
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All sounds badly thought out to me.



Bonnie, they wouldn`t let the pit lane racers out until the pack is past the pit exit much like the car racing.
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At the Brno gp a Fiat yam bod was saying to matt how unfair giving Suzuki extra engines was midway through the season . For a Yam bloke to say this after we were led to belive there was an "unwritten" agreement with all team's this could be the case is highly dubious. Backs up my comment about it being a dorna forced agreement.



Colin Edwards summed it up. For manufacturers, material costs are .... all, ie building 16 engines or 6 engines has little effect on cost . The true cost is in engineering. To build a "long life" engine is extremely expensive. Time for a Dorna shake up i think, Get some people in there who understand racing and the quantity surveying part of racing.
 
Time for a Dorna shake up i think, Get some people in there who understand racing and the quantity surveying part of racing.

Agree 100%



Bin the lethal two spec tyre rule as well. Far too many crashes in morning warm up when the track surface is cool. Furthermore, the lack of intermediates at Donington last year was terrifying.



And while we're at it.....back to single universal formula, 990 full factory, prototype engines
 
Agree 100%



Bin the lethal two spec tyre rule as well. Far too many crashes in morning warm up when the track surface is cool. Furthermore, the lack of intermediates at Donington last year was terrifying.



And while we're at it.....back to single universal formula, 990 full factory, prototype engines

I'll drink to that!
 
Rant on....



Seems to me like Honda has gotten it's way these last few years, smaller engines and now limited engines during the season. Next thing you know they will want a Honda only engine rule....oh wait they already have that in Moto2.



Rant off...
 
Agree 100%



Bin the lethal two spec tyre rule as well. Far too many crashes in morning warm up when the track surface is cool. Furthermore, the lack of intermediates at Donington last year was terrifying.



And while we're at it.....back to single universal formula, 990 full factory, prototype engines

Damn, wasn't it just. Remember Elias getting spat off at 140mph right in front of us ? Ralf Waldmann was pretty scary too but for other reasons
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They really need to get rid of the fuel limit or raise it a couple liters. Also the electronics are killing the human portion of racing IMO.



At Brno there was a lot of discussion about Lorenzo's engine allocation. Seems he has burned through most of his. He alluded to this after his qualifying crash saying we will have to see if the engine is okay. He's close to wrapping up the championship though so might be a mute point.



We might ..... about Dorna finding loopholes for Suzi but I don't think that anyone want to see them out of the series next year.
 
One of the new rules approved after Brno (valid also for the current season) says that manufacturers who have not won any dry race in the last two seasons, can have 9 engines instead of 6. So that takes care of Suzuki -- an example of ad-hoc law
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