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Engine Situation?

Yeah think zuki might be struggling too

i was keeping some stats on a board on who has had a off/crash and if these effected the engines as the season progressed

they went under so i lost the stats..



Horney not had any major gravel outings so is his racing style effecting his engines
 
Just received the latest list, and it's not pretty for anyone except Honda. Suzuki are deep, deep in the ...., Bautista on his 5th engine this year. Yams (except Rossi) on 4, or in Spies' case, nearly 4. Ducati similar. Honda like clockwork. After Laguna Seca I'm going to format the lists and put them up on the site. But there's a lot of formatting and HTML tweaking to be done.
 
Just received the latest list, and it's not pretty for anyone except Honda. Suzuki are deep, deep in the ...., Bautista on his 5th engine this year. Yams (except Rossi) on 4, or in Spies' case, nearly 4. Ducati similar. Honda like clockwork. After Laguna Seca I'm going to format the lists and put them up on the site. But there's a lot of formatting and HTML tweaking to be done.



Thank you! Looking forward to that, it will reinforce Motomatters reputation as one of the most informative sites in the moto GP world.
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Regarding the engine rule, nobody seems to like it; but these are the rules this year, and apparently they're going to affect the end results, so better keep an eye on the issue. (BTW, one can complain that the rule is stupid, but it is only normal that it may affect the results: what would be the use of any rule if the related penalties weren't going to affect results in any way?).
 
Just received the latest list, and it's not pretty for anyone except Honda. Suzuki are deep, deep in the ...., Bautista on his 5th engine this year. Yams (except Rossi) on 4, or in Spies' case, nearly 4. Ducati similar. Honda like clockwork. After Laguna Seca I'm going to format the lists and put them up on the site. But there's a lot of formatting and HTML tweaking to be done.



great stuff Dave



as per graph Jorge was at





#1 used in 22 sessions before it expired in FP2 Assen



#2 used in 19 sessions prior to Sachsenring stats being shown

it blew in Quali (20th session) and could have been used in FP1 FP2 making 22 sessions
 
Aren't honda reputed to be the leading voice in the msma? They have finally got it to work for them. No wonder dani is looking happy. Even if he did run out of engines which is unlikely compared to others he would lead into the first corner from 12th or 13th on the grid anyway.
 
thye should make it 9 engines per season...... 6 was always to few.... time for a rule tweek!
 
Here is a recap of engine situation offered by GPOne:



The current MotoGP engine situation



Sunday, 18 July 2010 14:29 by Alice Margaria





At the 8th (of 18) race of the season, here is a recap of the current engine situation in MotoGP. We remind readers that each rider has a total of six engines available for the entire season, which works out to an average of three races per engine.



The morning before the German GP at the Sachsenring, Dorna released the list of engines sealed by each rider in the category. An examination reveals the varying approaches taken by each team and manufacturer.



Jorge Lorenzo, after suffering a spectacular and fiery engine failure during yesterday's qualifying session (it was his #2 engine which broke), is now using his 4th engine.



Dani Pedrosa has thus far used 3 motors. His #1 engine was used for 4 races, and his #2 and #3 have been used for two races each till now.



His teammate Andrea Dovizioso has also used three engines, his #1 and #2 being used for three races each.



Ducati rider Casey Stoner began using his 4th engine at Sachsenring. The problems with his #2 engine at Le Mans have caused issues for the rider and the team. His #1 engine lasted only one race, because of his crash in Qatar, and so the other two units have had to run 3 races each.



Valentino Rossi missed four races because of his injury: Mugello, Silverstone, Assen and Catalunya. His bike was still used for the last round though, the Catalan GP, by test rider Yoshikawa. The Japanese was using Valentino's #2 engine in the race. Rossi is now making use of his #3 engine for Sachsenring.



Three engines have also been used by Yamaha rider Ben Spies. The American's first two engines did two races each, and with the Sachsenring his #3 engine will have done four consecutive races.



Marco Simoncelli's engne use has been very consistent: he has thus far stayed on the three races per engine schedule, and so Sachsenring (race 8) will be run with his #3 sealed engine.



His Gresini teammate Marco Melandri is also on his third motor. His #1 engine did three races, his #2 engine two (as he skipped Assen with an injury), and the German GP will be the second race on his #3 engine.



The situation at Suzuki is quite critical. Loris Capirsossi was forced to begin using his #4 engine already at the fifth race, at Silverstone. His #2 engine had failed at Mugello, and his #1 engine failed in Barcellona, after having been used in only one race.



This brief analysis underscores the very real possibility of engine life playing a part in the World Championship.
 
^^^ ....... rules let the engine rule decide the champion ,maybe not bcs horney has a good lead but its plain to see its going to play a part in it..race for 3/4 of the season to let a stupid rule impose on the outcome
 
On the other hand, one could debate that it is easier to get ahead in the beginning if you use more engines than the competition; only to be caught up later when you run out of hardware...?
 
Silly question, but if a rider uses all his engines by say, round 10 (as in they all blow up), will he have to start from the pitlane for the remaining 6 rounds?
 
Silly question, but if a rider uses all his engines by say, round 10 (as in they all blow up), will he have to start from the pitlane for the remaining 6 rounds?



As I understand it, the rider starts from the pit lane only for the first race at which the new engine is used. If the engine lasts for two more races, the rider has no further penalty.



What I'd like to know is, how much time is a new engine worth? If the track isn't too hard on fuel, it might be possible to squeeze another 15~20(?) HP out of a one-race kamazake engine. What's that worth in terms of lap time?
 
thye should make it 9 engines per season...... 6 was always to few.... time for a rule tweek!

I dont think it would be fair to tweak/change any rules midway through a season. Looks like yet another example of the big H influencing dorna is michaelm's comment of honda having a leading voice in the msma is true. I for 1 cant wait to see most of the grid starting from pit lane 20 seconds after the green light
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Maybe then dorna will see what a bunch of morons they are and stop making anymore stupid rules in the future. Bean counters should stick to counting beans and leave racing formula to racers.
 
if correct whats good for 1 is good for another this ........ rule just gone out the window

It's funny how the rule was bought in as a cost cutting excersise but mid way through the season one of the poorer factory teams on the grid are likely to have there engine quoter raised a further 3 engines
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This is a disgrace, they should stick to the rule no matter how stupid it is for the whole season . How is this fair to teams that have turned down power and had less track time trying to spare there engines to keep within the rule. So What when say lcr or Gesini say there out of engines and point out suzuki got a pass ?

Could be just MCN ........ i suppose .
 
It's funny how the rule was bought in as a cost cutting excersise but mid way through the season one of the poorer factory teams on the grid are likely to have there engine quoter raised a further 3 engines
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This is a disgrace, they should stick to the rule no matter how stupid it is for the whole season . How is this fair to teams that have turned down power and had less track time trying to spare there engines to keep within the rule. So What when say lcr or Gesini say there out of engines and point out suzuki got a pass ?

Could be just MCN ........ i suppose .



They say there was an understanding from the beginning that Suzuki may have a special treatment... the other manufacturers agreed to this in advance, if I understand it properly. Bah. They implemented a new rule, knowing beforehand that Suzuki would not observe it?
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If the suzukis are allowed more engines it makes an even bigger joke of the 800cc motoGP era. This really would make a mockery of the whole year. The idiots making the rules are just making WSBK more and more relevant.
 

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