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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L8Braker @ Nov 2 2009, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>IMO the Duc has progressed under Hayden and Kallio so something has been accomplished in that respect this year no? Now what would Nick's season be like had he not walked under all of them ladders?
Agreed. My feeling is that the ducati was better when casey returned than it had been before.
Agreed. My feeling is that the ducati was better when casey returned than it had been before.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Nov 2 2009, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you're you pissing in the wind dude.
I say CS is a much greater rider than Hayden or Melandri.
Does this make me a fool ???
More BS eh Talps.
There are four guys in MotoGP that are consistently at the front, and the same four guys will be at the front in 2010. They are at the front because they are the best riders, and they have developed the bikes to their liking.
Hayden and Melandri had access to exactly the same equip as Stoner. We are told that the Pramac bikes are exactly the same as the factory bikes, so the Pramac guys have the same potential (probably reinforced by the fact Kallio was in the same position on the factory bike as he was on the Pramac bike). Stoner is at the front because he is one of the best. Why do you think people like JB pushed so hard to get him into Yamaha if he was no better than Hayden or Melandri.
The difference is, Hayden is working his ... off to do the best job he can and bridge the gap. Melandri gave up half way through the year.
I couldn,t have put it any better
Perhaps the only qualification would be that the Ducat widens the appearance of the gap between the riders. I rate Stoner a level above Melandri and Hayden, not 2 or 3 levels to the likes of Elias and DeAngelis
I say CS is a much greater rider than Hayden or Melandri.
Does this make me a fool ???
More BS eh Talps.
There are four guys in MotoGP that are consistently at the front, and the same four guys will be at the front in 2010. They are at the front because they are the best riders, and they have developed the bikes to their liking.
Hayden and Melandri had access to exactly the same equip as Stoner. We are told that the Pramac bikes are exactly the same as the factory bikes, so the Pramac guys have the same potential (probably reinforced by the fact Kallio was in the same position on the factory bike as he was on the Pramac bike). Stoner is at the front because he is one of the best. Why do you think people like JB pushed so hard to get him into Yamaha if he was no better than Hayden or Melandri.
The difference is, Hayden is working his ... off to do the best job he can and bridge the gap. Melandri gave up half way through the year.
I couldn,t have put it any better
Perhaps the only qualification would be that the Ducat widens the appearance of the gap between the riders. I rate Stoner a level above Melandri and Hayden, not 2 or 3 levels to the likes of Elias and DeAngelis
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L8Braker @ Nov 2 2009, 05:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>IMO the Duc has progressed under Hayden and Kallio so something has been accomplished in that respect this year no? Now what would Nick's season be like had he not walked under all of them ladders?
What the heck has Hayden done to contribute to this 'progressed' you speak of?
What the heck has Hayden done to contribute to this 'progressed' you speak of?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yello13 @ Nov 1 2009, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There is nothing wrong with the Ducati. Why does everyone always make a big deal that only one person can ride the ducati?People do this because the spread between Stoner and the rest of the Duc riders has been abnormally large, even when comparing to riders who have had quite a bit of success. No other marque is regularly bringing up the front and the rear.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yello13 @ Nov 1 2009, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is yamaha's 'two' that much better?Yamaha very clearly hS not had 1 or 2 riders with results exceeding those of their other riders by an abnormal margin. They have the ranking top sat. bike - end of story.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yello13 @ Nov 1 2009, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How about Honda's one consistent winner?One consistent winner (whose stature plenty claim the bike was built around) but he's still less than 60 points clear of his teammate (even with Dovi's 4 retirements). Also, 5 Hondas in front of the second Duc.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yello13 @ Nov 1 2009, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Or suzuki's zero?The riders are within like 3 points of each other. It's clearly just a mediocre bike. There's little to talk about.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yello13 @ Nov 1 2009, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ducati have had 1 or 2 non Stoner podiums for the past two years, which correlate well with the other manufacturers' podiums from their auxiliary riders. Yamaha has only had one podium finish besides Rossi/Lorenzo, and Suzuki is even worse.You are not very good at counting.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yello13 @ Nov 1 2009, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The only manufacturer with multiple podium finishes, besides the factory team, is Honda, which field a handful more bikes that the other manufacturers.Once again, your counting skills are not very good. Your statement is very clearly inaccurate in your 2-year window.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yello13 @ Nov 1 2009, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Ducati is fine.Only with Stoner riding it, although it's getting better.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Oct 31 2009, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicky will have some influence if he ever hits the podium. Otherwise, Stoner is the god of Ducati. On Nicky's best day he is half the racer that Stoner is.
If you take time to think about it - the opposite is true. Sure Stoner is
Ducati's biggest asset when it comes to winning championships - but
that's a limited asset. Ducati is too smart to willingly have all their
eggs in one basket.
Without Hayden's development input - the Ducati remains a bike on
which only one rider can succeed. How many talented riders can
Ducati afford to hire - and then let go without achieving results?
Don't you think that (despite the brave face they show to the public)
that they are embarrassed to see their factory spec bikes in race after race - trailing
seconds behind Melandri on the budget Kawi and Caparossi on the Sad Sack Suzuki?
Ducati people have on several occasions made it clear that Hayden's efforts
to develop a more rider-friendly Duke are greatly valued.
If you take time to think about it - the opposite is true. Sure Stoner is
Ducati's biggest asset when it comes to winning championships - but
that's a limited asset. Ducati is too smart to willingly have all their
eggs in one basket.
Without Hayden's development input - the Ducati remains a bike on
which only one rider can succeed. How many talented riders can
Ducati afford to hire - and then let go without achieving results?
Don't you think that (despite the brave face they show to the public)
that they are embarrassed to see their factory spec bikes in race after race - trailing
seconds behind Melandri on the budget Kawi and Caparossi on the Sad Sack Suzuki?
Ducati people have on several occasions made it clear that Hayden's efforts
to develop a more rider-friendly Duke are greatly valued.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Nov 3 2009, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you take time to think about it - the opposite is true. Sure Stoner is
Ducati's biggest asset when it comes to winning championships - but
that's a limited asset. Ducati is too smart to willingly have all their
eggs in one basket.
Without Hayden's development input - the Ducati remains a bike on
which only one rider can succeed. How many talented riders can
Ducati afford to hire - and then let go without achieving results?
Don't you think that (despite the brave face they show to the public)
that they are embarrassed to see their factory spec bikes in race after race - trailing
seconds behind Melandri on the budget Kawi and Caparossi on the Sad Sack Suzuki?
Ducati people have on several occasions made it clear that Hayden's efforts
to develop a more rider-friendly Duke are greatly valued.
Once again.....far too well thought out, far too eloquent to sway those who for whatever reason hold on to fantasies that fly in the face of known observable facts. It's on odd trait on display with striking regularity on this forum. Be it nationalistic, nostalgic or some other bizarre desire to "front run" that certain posters continue to disregard credible reports from multiple sources regarding the issues plaguing the Ducati. Not only have other mainstream motorsports media outlets spoken openly about the Ducati, there have been several threads on this board regarding the matter, save for the fact that the results speak for themselves (Marco, Loris, Nicky).
If hatred of one rider or blind juvenile lust for another keeps one's head buried in the proverbial sand, there can be no informed or well intentioned argument strong enough to pull it out.
Nice post BTW.
Ducati's biggest asset when it comes to winning championships - but
that's a limited asset. Ducati is too smart to willingly have all their
eggs in one basket.
Without Hayden's development input - the Ducati remains a bike on
which only one rider can succeed. How many talented riders can
Ducati afford to hire - and then let go without achieving results?
Don't you think that (despite the brave face they show to the public)
that they are embarrassed to see their factory spec bikes in race after race - trailing
seconds behind Melandri on the budget Kawi and Caparossi on the Sad Sack Suzuki?
Ducati people have on several occasions made it clear that Hayden's efforts
to develop a more rider-friendly Duke are greatly valued.
Once again.....far too well thought out, far too eloquent to sway those who for whatever reason hold on to fantasies that fly in the face of known observable facts. It's on odd trait on display with striking regularity on this forum. Be it nationalistic, nostalgic or some other bizarre desire to "front run" that certain posters continue to disregard credible reports from multiple sources regarding the issues plaguing the Ducati. Not only have other mainstream motorsports media outlets spoken openly about the Ducati, there have been several threads on this board regarding the matter, save for the fact that the results speak for themselves (Marco, Loris, Nicky).
If hatred of one rider or blind juvenile lust for another keeps one's head buried in the proverbial sand, there can be no informed or well intentioned argument strong enough to pull it out.
Nice post BTW.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Nov 2 2009, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What the heck has Hayden done to contribute to this 'progressed' you speak of?
SuperSad, replying to you is pointless....I don't think you actually watch MotoGP racing.
SuperSad, replying to you is pointless....I don't think you actually watch MotoGP racing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Nov 2 2009, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you take time to think about it - the opposite is true. Sure Stoner is
Ducati's biggest asset when it comes to winning championships - but
that's a limited asset. Ducati is too smart to willingly have all their
eggs in one basket.
Without Hayden's development input - the Ducati remains a bike on
which only one rider can succeed. How many talented riders can
Ducati afford to hire - and then let go without achieving results?
Don't you think that (despite the brave face they show to the public)
that they are embarrassed to see their factory spec bikes in race after race - trailing
seconds behind Melandri on the budget Kawi and Caparossi on the Sad Sack Suzuki?
Ducati people have on several occasions made it clear that Hayden's efforts
to develop a more rider-friendly Duke are greatly valued.
I'm a Hayden fan and I still can't still can't lead myself to believe the above. The bike was capable of wins and podiums in the seasons prior. Capirossi rode it well, and Elias actually scored back to back podiums in 2008. Ducati say they value Hayden's input, but they tried to replace him at the first signs that Stoner might not be able to return in 2010.
They even entertained Pedrosa as a candidate to help strengthen the team and develop the bike. Pedrosa spends his time in the hospital when he is on development duty.
Ducati's biggest asset when it comes to winning championships - but
that's a limited asset. Ducati is too smart to willingly have all their
eggs in one basket.
Without Hayden's development input - the Ducati remains a bike on
which only one rider can succeed. How many talented riders can
Ducati afford to hire - and then let go without achieving results?
Don't you think that (despite the brave face they show to the public)
that they are embarrassed to see their factory spec bikes in race after race - trailing
seconds behind Melandri on the budget Kawi and Caparossi on the Sad Sack Suzuki?
Ducati people have on several occasions made it clear that Hayden's efforts
to develop a more rider-friendly Duke are greatly valued.
I'm a Hayden fan and I still can't still can't lead myself to believe the above. The bike was capable of wins and podiums in the seasons prior. Capirossi rode it well, and Elias actually scored back to back podiums in 2008. Ducati say they value Hayden's input, but they tried to replace him at the first signs that Stoner might not be able to return in 2010.
They even entertained Pedrosa as a candidate to help strengthen the team and develop the bike. Pedrosa spends his time in the hospital when he is on development duty.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 2 2009, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner is yet to develop a motorcycle that other riders can ride with any substantial success.
Austin ..... why the hell would any MGP rider want to develop a bike that "anyone can ride" ........... how many times have you heard the expression ....... "your team mate is your first enemy"
Never before in the history of MGP has a rider developed a bike " that anyone can ride" ...... the nearest we have ever seen has been bikes developed by JB. Count the number of wins on bikes developed by JB and Co. and you get the picture
If you imply that Hayden shall "develop the Ducati" ..... well he has no background in developing a bike, what successful bike has he developed in the past?
In any case what would look better is if Hayden just rode, if he is getting cred for "developing a bike" then it seems non-existent ....... nothing beats getting wins for getting cred.
Hayden has done diddly squat at Ducati, its a damn shame, but I am realistic, just as an example ...... when Stoner was away things weren't looking better for Ducati ..... they were going backwards ... fast! ....... where's the development there ?
No Hayden needs to pull his finger out and start taking points away from the Rossi's and Lorenzos, thats what Capirossi did and that part of why its so much easier for any rider to have a fellow rider who can do this. Just look at Sepang for instance ......... Hayden let both Rossi and Lorenzo get by ........ thats a lot of points away from his team mate ......
I know he's had some bad luck etc. ( but in part I believe he is putting himself in the position to have "bad luck". But to now hear this twaddle that Hayden has been doing good development ............. well it just takes the cake
That saying I still want Hayden to suddenly get all "gung ho", get a bit of that "killer instinct back" and have his best season ever next year!.
The whole Ducati saga has been a sad one .....
Stoner is a killer on it ( even though the bike is a Massey Ferguson )
Capi smelled the blood a few times and went for it ...
Melandri ....... was killed by the Duc.
Hayden ..... is currently being mauled/killed as we speak.
Pramac .... riders ....... were they ever alive .... except
Barros ......... had a heart flutter just before his contract was due ... once ..
Ducati needs to rehire Capi ......
Austin ..... why the hell would any MGP rider want to develop a bike that "anyone can ride" ........... how many times have you heard the expression ....... "your team mate is your first enemy"
Never before in the history of MGP has a rider developed a bike " that anyone can ride" ...... the nearest we have ever seen has been bikes developed by JB. Count the number of wins on bikes developed by JB and Co. and you get the picture
If you imply that Hayden shall "develop the Ducati" ..... well he has no background in developing a bike, what successful bike has he developed in the past?
In any case what would look better is if Hayden just rode, if he is getting cred for "developing a bike" then it seems non-existent ....... nothing beats getting wins for getting cred.
Hayden has done diddly squat at Ducati, its a damn shame, but I am realistic, just as an example ...... when Stoner was away things weren't looking better for Ducati ..... they were going backwards ... fast! ....... where's the development there ?
No Hayden needs to pull his finger out and start taking points away from the Rossi's and Lorenzos, thats what Capirossi did and that part of why its so much easier for any rider to have a fellow rider who can do this. Just look at Sepang for instance ......... Hayden let both Rossi and Lorenzo get by ........ thats a lot of points away from his team mate ......
I know he's had some bad luck etc. ( but in part I believe he is putting himself in the position to have "bad luck". But to now hear this twaddle that Hayden has been doing good development ............. well it just takes the cake
That saying I still want Hayden to suddenly get all "gung ho", get a bit of that "killer instinct back" and have his best season ever next year!.
The whole Ducati saga has been a sad one .....
Stoner is a killer on it ( even though the bike is a Massey Ferguson )
Capi smelled the blood a few times and went for it ...
Melandri ....... was killed by the Duc.
Hayden ..... is currently being mauled/killed as we speak.
Pramac .... riders ....... were they ever alive .... except
Barros ......... had a heart flutter just before his contract was due ... once ..
Ducati needs to rehire Capi ......
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MotoGPmatters reporting that Suppo is leaving Ducati at the end of the season.
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/11/04...ave_ducati.html
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/11/04...ave_ducati.html
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Nov 2 2009, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>People do this because the spread between Stoner and the rest of the Duc riders has been abnormally large, even when comparing to riders who have had quite a bit of success. No other marque is regularly bringing up the front and the rear.Yamaha very clearly hS not had 1 or 2 riders with results exceeding those of their other riders by an abnormal margin. They have the ranking top sat. bike - end of story.One consistent winner (whose stature plenty claim the bike was built around) but he's still less than 60 points clear of his teammate (even with Dovi's 4 retirements). Also, 5 Hondas in front of the second Duc.The riders are within like 3 points of each other. It's clearly just a mediocre bike. There's little to talk about.You are not very good at counting.Once again, your counting skills are not very good. Your statement is very clearly inaccurate in your 2-year window.Only with Stoner riding it, although it's getting better.
Someone didn't check the edit. My counting is pretty damn good.
In the Past Two years
Number of Ducati riders capable of a podium finish: 3
Number of Yamaha riders capable of a podium finish: 3
Take the numbers for what they are.
Here are some more fun facts:
Dani is 57 points in front of Dovi. I don't know what world you live in but in mine that is a pretty big amount. A retirement is a retirement my friend. It shows you are not up to snuff. Doesn't matter how or why. Same goes with an illness induced DNS. Your job is to stay fit.
In response to your later comment, Yamaha having the top ranking satellite bike is not the end of story. (I like how you assume you possess the authority to end such stories, newsflash: you don't.) Gap from top factory yam and top satellite yam is 138 points. Gap from top factory Ducati and top Satellite Ducati rider is 156. Eighteen points. Maybe, just maybe, that is due to rider skill differences in Edwards and Kallio? Nah...that would be too logical, it must be the bike
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Sure the gap could have been higher if stoner didn't miss 3 races, but Kallio had a few crashes that weren't totally his fault. I won't get nitpicky if you don't. Refer to my above opinion on crashes and DNS'. Its all racing.
The variance among Ducati riders' success is larger than that of Yamaha and Honda riders, but not to a dramatic enough degree where an assertion can be made with 100% certainty that there exists a problem with the bike itself.
Someone didn't check the edit. My counting is pretty damn good.
In the Past Two years
Number of Ducati riders capable of a podium finish: 3
Number of Yamaha riders capable of a podium finish: 3
Take the numbers for what they are.
Here are some more fun facts:
Dani is 57 points in front of Dovi. I don't know what world you live in but in mine that is a pretty big amount. A retirement is a retirement my friend. It shows you are not up to snuff. Doesn't matter how or why. Same goes with an illness induced DNS. Your job is to stay fit.
In response to your later comment, Yamaha having the top ranking satellite bike is not the end of story. (I like how you assume you possess the authority to end such stories, newsflash: you don't.) Gap from top factory yam and top satellite yam is 138 points. Gap from top factory Ducati and top Satellite Ducati rider is 156. Eighteen points. Maybe, just maybe, that is due to rider skill differences in Edwards and Kallio? Nah...that would be too logical, it must be the bike
Sure the gap could have been higher if stoner didn't miss 3 races, but Kallio had a few crashes that weren't totally his fault. I won't get nitpicky if you don't. Refer to my above opinion on crashes and DNS'. Its all racing.
The variance among Ducati riders' success is larger than that of Yamaha and Honda riders, but not to a dramatic enough degree where an assertion can be made with 100% certainty that there exists a problem with the bike itself.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (levigarrett @ Nov 5 2009, 06:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>MotoGPmatters reporting that Suppo is leaving Ducati at the end of the season.
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/11/04...ave_ducati.html
strong rumours doing the rounds.
Valencia MotoGP: Ducati poised to announce team boss departure
By Matthew Birt -
MotoGP
05 November 2009 10:16
Ducati is expected to confirm that long-serving team manager Livio Suppo will leave the team after this weekend’s final MotoGP race in Valencia.
Although nothing has yet been confirmed by the Bologna factory, MCN understands an announcement could be made later on today on the eve of the Valencia GP.
Suppo’s departure will only heighten speculation that he had a major rift with Aussie rider Casey Stoner during the 2009 season.
PiJ-Edit:not matter what anyone says casey threw his dummy and went fishing..virus.
Rumours that the pair's previously harmonious relationship had hit meltdown surfaced when the 2007 world champion went on a three-race sabbatical to recover from a mystery illness.
And it was only recently in Malaysia that Suppo dismissed intense rumours that he was being removed at the end of the season to pave the way for a multi-million pound swoop for Valentino Rossi.
It was rumoured that Suppo would be relieved of his management role in a bid to convince the Italian to quit Yamaha; with sources claiming Rossi won’t even entertain a Ducati switch while Suppo is at the helm.
Suppo also insisted he would stay on despite test rider Vittoriano Gaureschi being promoted to the role of team manager for 2010.
MCN understands Suppo is likely to land a senior management role at Honda next season.
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/11/04...ave_ducati.html
strong rumours doing the rounds.
Valencia MotoGP: Ducati poised to announce team boss departure
By Matthew Birt -
MotoGP
05 November 2009 10:16
Ducati is expected to confirm that long-serving team manager Livio Suppo will leave the team after this weekend’s final MotoGP race in Valencia.
Although nothing has yet been confirmed by the Bologna factory, MCN understands an announcement could be made later on today on the eve of the Valencia GP.
Suppo’s departure will only heighten speculation that he had a major rift with Aussie rider Casey Stoner during the 2009 season.
PiJ-Edit:not matter what anyone says casey threw his dummy and went fishing..virus.
Rumours that the pair's previously harmonious relationship had hit meltdown surfaced when the 2007 world champion went on a three-race sabbatical to recover from a mystery illness.
And it was only recently in Malaysia that Suppo dismissed intense rumours that he was being removed at the end of the season to pave the way for a multi-million pound swoop for Valentino Rossi.
It was rumoured that Suppo would be relieved of his management role in a bid to convince the Italian to quit Yamaha; with sources claiming Rossi won’t even entertain a Ducati switch while Suppo is at the helm.
Suppo also insisted he would stay on despite test rider Vittoriano Gaureschi being promoted to the role of team manager for 2010.
MCN understands Suppo is likely to land a senior management role at Honda next season.
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Suppo and tardozzi both gone according to multiple sources.
Marlboro man rules perhaps? It is hard to know. Ben spies very much deserved to win wsbk, but ducati had a lot in their favour and could have been more ruthless with team orders. Whether suppo is gone to placate stoner, because ducati think it will help them to woo rossi, or even because he had a better offer such as from hrc as is being speculated are very much matters for conjecture.
Marlboro man rules perhaps? It is hard to know. Ben spies very much deserved to win wsbk, but ducati had a lot in their favour and could have been more ruthless with team orders. Whether suppo is gone to placate stoner, because ducati think it will help them to woo rossi, or even because he had a better offer such as from hrc as is being speculated are very much matters for conjecture.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Nov 5 2009, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Suppo and tardozzi both gone according to multiple sources.
Marlboro man rules perhaps? It is hard to know. Ben spies very much deserved to win wsbk, but ducati had a lot in their favour and could have been more ruthless with team orders. Whether suppo is gone to placate stoner, because ducati think it will help them to woo rossi, or even because he had a better offer such as from hrc as is being speculated are very much matters for conjecture.
Tardozzi has gone
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#22 @ Nov 5 2009, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...., I just posted this news as a new topic :s
merge.
http://www.powerslide.net/forum/index.php?...c=11449&hl=
Tardozzi quits Ducati WSB squad
By Michael Guy -
World Superbikes
05 November 2009 11:56
MCN has learned that legendary Ducati World Superbike team boss Davide Tardozzi has resigned.
Tardozzi has played an influential role in the team’s success having masterminded multiple world championship success with Carl Fogarty, Troy Bayliss, Neil Hodgson and James Toseland.
It remains unclear what the 50 year old former WSB race winner will do now, but he has already been linked with the Ducati MotoGP team manager job following the news that current team manager Livio Suppo will leave the team.
MCN have tried to contact Tardozzi for a comment, but his phone is currently switched off.
Marlboro man rules perhaps? It is hard to know. Ben spies very much deserved to win wsbk, but ducati had a lot in their favour and could have been more ruthless with team orders. Whether suppo is gone to placate stoner, because ducati think it will help them to woo rossi, or even because he had a better offer such as from hrc as is being speculated are very much matters for conjecture.
Tardozzi has gone
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#22 @ Nov 5 2009, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...., I just posted this news as a new topic :s
merge.
http://www.powerslide.net/forum/index.php?...c=11449&hl=
Tardozzi quits Ducati WSB squad
By Michael Guy -
World Superbikes
05 November 2009 11:56
MCN has learned that legendary Ducati World Superbike team boss Davide Tardozzi has resigned.
Tardozzi has played an influential role in the team’s success having masterminded multiple world championship success with Carl Fogarty, Troy Bayliss, Neil Hodgson and James Toseland.
It remains unclear what the 50 year old former WSB race winner will do now, but he has already been linked with the Ducati MotoGP team manager job following the news that current team manager Livio Suppo will leave the team.
MCN have tried to contact Tardozzi for a comment, but his phone is currently switched off.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Nov 5 2009, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tardozzi has gone
merge.
http://www.powerslide.net/forum/index.php?...c=11449&hl=
Tardozzi quits Ducati WSB squad
By Michael Guy -
World Superbikes
05 November 2009 11:56
MCN has learned that legendary Ducati World Superbike team boss Davide Tardozzi has resigned.
Tardozzi has played an influential role in the team’s success having masterminded multiple world championship success with Carl Fogarty, Troy Bayliss, Neil Hodgson and James Toseland.
It remains unclear what the 50 year old former WSB race winner will do now, but he has already been linked with the Ducati MotoGP team manager job following the news that current team manager Livio Suppo will leave the team.
MCN have tried to contact Tardozzi for a comment, but his phone is currently switched off.
so suppo to the WSB squad?
there goes hagas chances of a championship!
merge.
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Tardozzi quits Ducati WSB squad
By Michael Guy -
World Superbikes
05 November 2009 11:56
MCN has learned that legendary Ducati World Superbike team boss Davide Tardozzi has resigned.
Tardozzi has played an influential role in the team’s success having masterminded multiple world championship success with Carl Fogarty, Troy Bayliss, Neil Hodgson and James Toseland.
It remains unclear what the 50 year old former WSB race winner will do now, but he has already been linked with the Ducati MotoGP team manager job following the news that current team manager Livio Suppo will leave the team.
MCN have tried to contact Tardozzi for a comment, but his phone is currently switched off.
so suppo to the WSB squad?
there goes hagas chances of a championship!
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suppo to honda so he can upset the PUG then he can fook off fishing.
then he can become pedro's manager.?????..
Edit:
DUCATI WORLD Superbike team manager Davide Tardozzi has officially announced he is leaving the company after almost 20 years service and here are his reasons why.
Speaking to GPone website, Tardozzi said of his resignation:
“It was certainly a painful decision because you can’t leave a company that you’ve worked splendidly with for almost twenty years without feeling any regrets.
“I wanted to be completely honest with the Company that put a lot of faith in me. I was loosing the necessary stimulus to do this job, so I thought it was appropriate to tell Ducati in time so they could have enough time to find a replacement before the new season.”
Tardozzi has been recently criticised for his lack of team direction in the fight for the 2009 WSB title; team rider Noriyuki Haga missed out on the 2009 championship by just six points - a situation which could have been avoided if Tardozzi had enforced Haga's team-mate, Michel Fabrizio, to support the Japanese rider instead of pipping him to victory in two vital races.
then he can become pedro's manager.?????..
Edit:
DUCATI WORLD Superbike team manager Davide Tardozzi has officially announced he is leaving the company after almost 20 years service and here are his reasons why.
Speaking to GPone website, Tardozzi said of his resignation:
“It was certainly a painful decision because you can’t leave a company that you’ve worked splendidly with for almost twenty years without feeling any regrets.
“I wanted to be completely honest with the Company that put a lot of faith in me. I was loosing the necessary stimulus to do this job, so I thought it was appropriate to tell Ducati in time so they could have enough time to find a replacement before the new season.”
Tardozzi has been recently criticised for his lack of team direction in the fight for the 2009 WSB title; team rider Noriyuki Haga missed out on the 2009 championship by just six points - a situation which could have been avoided if Tardozzi had enforced Haga's team-mate, Michel Fabrizio, to support the Japanese rider instead of pipping him to victory in two vital races.
