Riding style.
Trouble with armchair racers and internet wannabe pundits is someone somewhere tells something, then it is recited all over the place until everybody starts believing this is the truth.
Barry, he's calling you an armchair racer!!!
Such as nonsense like this?...
If you are not going fast after 20-30 minutes on the bike you will never go fast on that bike. Period.
All, yes ALL MotoGP riders practice motocross. This is important to develop skills to keep sliding bike under control. Stating they ride MotoGP bike "motocross style" is ridiculous.
I'm not aware that anyone did - we were referring to riders from a dirt track pedigree. Still think that's ridiculous?
Rider A can drive smoothly and keep the corner speed, but loses out on brakes. It is fair to say he has his own riding style.
Rider B can outbrake anyone, but can't get it right exiting the corner, losing out on the straights as a result. He has his own style, I agree.
Rider C has all skills in his bag. He can do whatever the bike needs to go fast. He has no riding style, he is too good to be limited just one style.
Let's dispense with the term 'alien' - because it's not particularly popular on this forum and tends to be a pejorative term on here. We'll call them C Riders instead. We could even start a thread devoted to 'Rider C' - Immediately can think of a great many from the rich pantheon and pedigree of motorcycle racing. My issue is 'limited to'. The style is refined and it may well be an amalgam of different codes - but it is still their own. In fact it is so personalised to be liberating - even transcendent (hence the term alien I guess).
Other than Stoner, which other riders would you also contend did not forge and develop their own "style" - or even modify it? Read Stoner's book. All the origins of his riding style are discussed. He talks about being young and learning to naturally slide two wheels on corner entry while he was doing flat track in Australia. Contrary to his detractors, he reveals how little TC he really used at both Ducati and Honda. Great riders enhance and hone their technique throughout their career - indeed, he speaks of learning to pick up the motorcycle on the exit from Dani Pedrosa for example. My point is, just because Rider C can do all the things that you speak of, it does not mean that they have not developed their own inimitable style. I've cited Spies observation many times on this forum that when he was following Rossi he could see and understand what he was doing, but he just couldn't do it. Following Stoner, he could see what he was doing but he couldn't understand how he was doing it. Today, riders have made the same observations about Marquez - would you suggest that he doesn't have his own style either?
Ostensibly, Spies testimony confirms much of what you are saying about "Rider C", but it doesn't mean that they have sacrificed or even eschewed the development of an identifiable style because it is restrictive - and this can be routed in a range of influences. in the case of Stoner, it was informed by flat track racing - and that's immediately apparent and has never been compromised. The same could be said of KRsnr - his style was exported straight form the dirt and oil of American ovals, but he refined it to short track road racing and the demands of a 500cc GP bike. He still had his own style though. Cal Rayborn - also Ameican, also weaned on the dirt, Grand National Master, also came across the pond - owned and smoked UK and European riders on a circuits that were unfamiliar to him first time of asking. Both category C riders beyond doubt - but if you are trying to make the case that wither Roberts or Rayborn didn't have their own style then I suggest you immediately delete your account and never return.
Riding style.
I'm an old fart who didn't ride a bike for 35 years. Then I moved to Deep South and got myself a Harley. The first day I went out on it I got some rain. I touched the brake and locked up the front at about 50 MPH. It was complete surprise to me, I didn't know the stock Dunlop is such a crap tire. 999 Harley riders out of 1000 could have dropped the bike. My right hand knew what to do even before I became conscious of lockup, the skill I learned when racing, it released the brake and I kept the bike upright.
Now, according to armchair pundits I ride my Harley "sportbike style"?
What a nonsense.
Careful - you are similarly close to toppling off your high horse.
"Now, according to armchair pundits I ride my Harley "sportbike style"?"
Eh??? My own introduction to riding was off road motocross and mainly stay on the track these days, but I learnt the same skill you refer to on the road...on ..... eighties muscle bikes when tyre technology was informed by an episode of The Flintstones - it comes with experience and is quite an elementary reaction. How on earth do you know that 99% of riders would have dropped the bike in the same situation? What a ludicrous derogatory comment and atrocious analogy.
Why would it mean you be riding your Harley "sportsbike style"? - (unless your name was Cal Rayborn of course.)
The only thing your right hand appears to know how to do is beat off over your own self aggrandising fantasies.
Because you are a condescending ... of the highest order?
Segfault, meet Messrs Dunning and Kruger, they'll love you.
