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Fixed it for ya
no i totally agree fastest top speed isn't everything.. ( sept 07s Duc
Fixed it for ya
no i totally agree fastest top speed isn't everything.. ( sept 07s Duc
Maybe the level of competition will be subdued for one Jorge Lorenzo,he hasn`t had experience of the big bike in a race.It`ll be a good spectacle to watch him adapt though I don`t think it`ll take long unless it spits him up the road.
What are you talking about? Lorenzo has been racing the big bikes since 2008 and has definitely got to grips with it now
Well it can, all the motivation in the world isn't enough if they are simply bettered by someone else. The story of Nicky Haydens career isn't it
Hondas fast with midgets
Dude all I'm saying is Rossi will not be on the slowest bike anymore.. And thats very bad for the comp..
The Honda is fast with Dovi on it too. And Rossi hasn't ever been on the slowest bike. What we do know is that the bike he is leaving is currently the quickest, but i wouldn't bet against the Ducati being pretty handy next year
Although we sort of agree, i totally disagree with this part of your opinion. HRC deserve their share of the credit for the bike the provided, it worked afterall.
You say that, but the firing order (which sacrificed peak power) was chosen based on Rossi/JB feedback, and if you remember the early Yamaha days Rossi's M1 was running with the chain tensioners fully out until a new design was fabricated. The basic concept may have been there but Rossi and JB took it to the extent it needed to be superior.
Yamaha couldn't let JB and crew at the 2011 bike even if they were staying because they don't have a rider.
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Norah Head
Why would that matter
The mere fact that Yam don't know what he is doing says it all. It all means they think he is going elsewhere, Duc. or "otherwise" ( to a company that would be out there secretly poaching folk
Why would that matterIfhe was staying at Yam it would be in a role of benefit to all Yam riders. If he was retiring they would know and be making the most of it,
The mere fact that Yam don't know what he is doing says it all. It all means they think he is going elsewhere, Duc. or "otherwise" ( to a company that would be out there secretly poaching folk)
What i'm saying is, without Rossi what is JB supposed to do at the test? Stand around listening to people talk spanish and nod? I don't think he is staying at Yamaha, but i don't think the fact that he isn't part of the test is necessarily significant because thats really about Rossi
Take a look at this: http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/85912
Specially here, where Rossi says:
"After the race I will stay in Brno to try something new on the bike, something to improve our bike until the end of championship. Good place to restart."
So, what do you think about it? he showed signs of no deal with Ducati?
I wonder if Yamaha would let Rossi to try new parts after a deal with Ducati...
Specially here, where Rossi says:
"After the race I will stay in Brno to try something new on the bike, something to improve our bike until the end of championship. Good place to restart."
So, what do you think about it? he showed signs of no deal with Ducati?
I wonder if Yamaha would let Rossi to try new parts after a deal with Ducati...
Thanks for the article
I think Rossi is talking about doing more testing on his current 2010 M1. I don't think Yamaha would have anything new for him but I could be wrong. I know they have said he can't ride the 2011. I was thinking maybe he and Burgess want to see if they can come up with anything on their own.
Well, if Rossi can't ride the 2011 model so the deal is done!
But, where did you know that?
thanks.
You never know, there might be some thing in Rossi's contract where Yamaha have to provide the upgrades to him if they are provoding upgrades to Lorenzo.
If you read the artical carefully you will find out that above qoute is from Lorenzo not from Rossi.
I was being a little sarcastic, but presumably you " sort of agree" with the main point of my original post, which was that nicky did develop a championship winning bike in 2006. You don't appear to want to give nicky much credit for this , but if nicky didn't develop that bike I don't know who else did, after rossi/jb's obviously significant initial contribution anyway, and dani pedrosa talented as he is as a rider doesn't seem to have demonstrated much developmental ability since either.
As for the subsidiary point, sure the honda 990 was a great bike, reflective of honda's engineering prowess etc, but I can't see how dani takes out nicky at estoril in 2006 in a team committed to nicky hayden winning the world championship, particularly at that time in the season with the points situation as it was, unless you subscibe to the darth puig line of argument.
don't forget....Pedrosa was not mathematically out of contention until that crash!!
So HRC was behind Pedrosa all the way.
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Pomona NY
IF JB was taking retirement wouldn't Yam still want him there at the Brno test for his input feedback on the 2011 bike ?
just bcs he might retire that wouldn't mean he's banned from M1.2011 input
YAM they would want as much as possible off JB before he retires.then let him walk away at the end off 2010 season
ONLY REASON HE'S Banned from YAM Brno test is he's going to pastures new .....and Yam know it..
Hmmm.... I generally concur. However, there is the possibility that a new chief engineer has already been
named, and he could have other ways of tackling problems that don't work along the same lines as Burgess'.
Too many cooks in the kitchen and all that.
It could well be that there's a corporate policy in place that would not allow for an outgoing engineer to have
knowledge of future technical refinements, strictly as a matter of security. In their minds JB's loyalty to Rossi
might motivate him to pass on secrets about Yamaha developments despite no longer being on the team.
They could also do it just out of spite.
But - yes it does seem JB is going to another team. But will it be Ducati or Honda?
BTW - the composite of JB in Ducati livery is a little creepy. His head is too small for the body. He looks like an old English lady heading into the grandma years who's cut her hair short (ala Judi Dench) to save bother in the morning. You can almost picture him settling down in the comfy chair with nice cup of Earl Gray and a big fat kitty on his lap, while he talks back to the telly.
I posted this in another thread but I`ll repeat it.................Lin Jarvis has stated he does not want Vale testing the 2011 bike as he`s pretty resigned to the fact that Vale is going to Ducati in `11.Its on the MCN site,bud.
What makes JB such a great engineer and Rossi such a great provider of feedback?
I have often read or heard people say both these things but have never really heard a solid argument as to why they are both so great at their respective roles. I of course have an opinion of my own that goes something like this: Both men know that in motorcycle racing it is the rider that makes the difference. They know and believe in this so much that they left Honda to prove it. If you look at a racing motorcycle with this as your base premise then your way of going about developing the bike is different to a person who believes they need to find an advantage with the motorcycle over their competitor.
JB and Rossi look at a motorcycle and think "how can we get the motorcycle out of the way of the rider?" So they then set about eradicating problems rather than developing in advantages. The result is a motorcycle with no faults that allows the rider to get on it and ride it to the limit of their abilities. This is what the Yamaha M1 is... a motorcycle with no faults. Maybe the greatest thing that Lorenzo and HIS crew have learned is this and this is why we see his performance as it is today.
In the next chapter of the Rossi/JB book on how to kick arse I think we will see them attempt to do the same thing to the GP11. What will be interesting to follow is if Ducati will allow their bike to get out of the way of the rider.
I have often read or heard people say both these things but have never really heard a solid argument as to why they are both so great at their respective roles. I of course have an opinion of my own that goes something like this: Both men know that in motorcycle racing it is the rider that makes the difference. They know and believe in this so much that they left Honda to prove it. If you look at a racing motorcycle with this as your base premise then your way of going about developing the bike is different to a person who believes they need to find an advantage with the motorcycle over their competitor.
JB and Rossi look at a motorcycle and think "how can we get the motorcycle out of the way of the rider?" So they then set about eradicating problems rather than developing in advantages. The result is a motorcycle with no faults that allows the rider to get on it and ride it to the limit of their abilities. This is what the Yamaha M1 is... a motorcycle with no faults. Maybe the greatest thing that Lorenzo and HIS crew have learned is this and this is why we see his performance as it is today.
In the next chapter of the Rossi/JB book on how to kick arse I think we will see them attempt to do the same thing to the GP11. What will be interesting to follow is if Ducati will allow their bike to get out of the way of the rider.
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Norah Head
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That is precisely what prevented "team Rossi" from going to Ducati in 2004, I would imagine some assurances about how things are going to be done were required this time.
