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Donington GP- practice and quali discussion
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Great to see nicky at the pointy end; I hope he can maintain the pace over race distance with the new engine.
Even west is showing something; where are you antfan?
Even west is showing something; where are you antfan?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Jun 20 2008, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicky definitely stepped up his game. I don't know if it is a psyc boost or that he was never comfortable on the other bike but definitely an improvement.
1 Stoner
2 Hadyen
3 Rossi
edwards
DeAngelis
Pedrosa
Nakano
Toseland
Hayden said the pneumatic engine made the handling better when he tried it before,as the chassi was made for that engine.So maybe the turning has improved plus the extra revs help on straights.
Maybe he will do better from now on then.
1 Stoner
2 Hadyen
3 Rossi
edwards
DeAngelis
Pedrosa
Nakano
Toseland
Hayden said the pneumatic engine made the handling better when he tried it before,as the chassi was made for that engine.So maybe the turning has improved plus the extra revs help on straights.
Maybe he will do better from now on then.
1. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 28.253 secs
2. Nicky Hayden USA Repsol Honda Team (M) 1min 28.829 secs
3. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team (B) 1min 28.909 secs
4. Colin Edwards USA Tech 3 Yamaha (M) 1min 28.969 secs
5. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 1min 28.992 secs
6. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team (M) 1min 29.207 secs
7. Shinya Nakano JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 1min 29.207 secs
8. James Toseland GBR Tech 3 Yamaha (M) 1min 29.341 secs
9. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 29.410 secs
10. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP (M) 1min 29.433 secs
11. John Hopkins USA Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 1min 29.441 secs
12. Anthony West AUS Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 1min 29.666 secs
13. Andrea Dovizioso ITA JiR Team Scot MotoGP (M) 1min 29.722 secs
14. Marco Melandri ITA Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 29.856 secs
15. Toni Elias SPA Alice Team (B) 1min 30.268 secs
16. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team (M) 1min 30.290 secs
17. Ben Spies USA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 30.766 secs
18. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Alice Team (B) 1min 30.931 secs
2007 British Grand Prix - 24/06/2007:
Pole position: Colin Edwards USA Fiat Yamaha (M) 1min 28.531secs
Fastest lap: Toni Elias SPA Honda Gresini (B) 1min 41.428secs (wet)
2. Nicky Hayden USA Repsol Honda Team (M) 1min 28.829 secs
3. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team (B) 1min 28.909 secs
4. Colin Edwards USA Tech 3 Yamaha (M) 1min 28.969 secs
5. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 1min 28.992 secs
6. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team (M) 1min 29.207 secs
7. Shinya Nakano JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 1min 29.207 secs
8. James Toseland GBR Tech 3 Yamaha (M) 1min 29.341 secs
9. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 29.410 secs
10. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP (M) 1min 29.433 secs
11. John Hopkins USA Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 1min 29.441 secs
12. Anthony West AUS Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 1min 29.666 secs
13. Andrea Dovizioso ITA JiR Team Scot MotoGP (M) 1min 29.722 secs
14. Marco Melandri ITA Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 29.856 secs
15. Toni Elias SPA Alice Team (B) 1min 30.268 secs
16. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team (M) 1min 30.290 secs
17. Ben Spies USA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 30.766 secs
18. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Alice Team (B) 1min 30.931 secs
2007 British Grand Prix - 24/06/2007:
Pole position: Colin Edwards USA Fiat Yamaha (M) 1min 28.531secs
Fastest lap: Toni Elias SPA Honda Gresini (B) 1min 41.428secs (wet)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anders GUZZI @ Jun 20 2008, 06:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden said the pneumatic engine made the handling better when he tried it before,as the chassi was made for that engine.So maybe the turning has improved plus the extra revs help on straights.
Maybe he will do better from now on then.
I agree. I remember eurosport (i think) said that the pneumatic valve engine had a significantly different center of gravity because it required additional equipment and, specifically, additional equipment on top of the engine.
In my mind, this means that Nicky must chuck the bike around to get it pitched over, but once it's at lean he can relax and let the high cg do most of the work while he uses the seat of his pants to control yaw.
Such handling is not good for Dani b/c he lacks the mass necessary to toss the bike from side to side. He seems to prefer to do the hard work while the bike is at full lean.
I think high CG is the way to go. I'm pretty sure Yamaha use a high CG. If you look at the M1's profile it appears the only place to put an 800cc mill is just slightly below the clip ons.
High CG also means you can lean the bike less to achieve the same turning radius.
On Topic:
Spies is predictably slow. In all his testing at Sepang he never managed to get within a second of the Suzuki regulars. Donny and Sepang are both unknown to Spies.
I wonder if making the jump to a completely different traction control system is affecting him. If you're used to traction control but it works completely differently than MGP traction control, I wonder if it is worse than coming from no traction control at all.
Maybe he will do better from now on then.
I agree. I remember eurosport (i think) said that the pneumatic valve engine had a significantly different center of gravity because it required additional equipment and, specifically, additional equipment on top of the engine.
In my mind, this means that Nicky must chuck the bike around to get it pitched over, but once it's at lean he can relax and let the high cg do most of the work while he uses the seat of his pants to control yaw.
Such handling is not good for Dani b/c he lacks the mass necessary to toss the bike from side to side. He seems to prefer to do the hard work while the bike is at full lean.
I think high CG is the way to go. I'm pretty sure Yamaha use a high CG. If you look at the M1's profile it appears the only place to put an 800cc mill is just slightly below the clip ons.
On Topic:
Spies is predictably slow. In all his testing at Sepang he never managed to get within a second of the Suzuki regulars. Donny and Sepang are both unknown to Spies.
I wonder if making the jump to a completely different traction control system is affecting him. If you're used to traction control but it works completely differently than MGP traction control, I wonder if it is worse than coming from no traction control at all.
How much does spies weigh? He looks like a relatively normally sized bloke, which seems to be quite a disadvantage in the current motogp formula unless your name is valentino rossi.
I wouldn't read much into his performance so far on an unfamiliar track. Taking it steadily is sensible. He certainly looked the goods in the AMA superbike replay I saw the other day.
I wouldn't read much into his performance so far on an unfamiliar track. Taking it steadily is sensible. He certainly looked the goods in the AMA superbike replay I saw the other day.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jun 20 2008, 06:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How much does spies weigh? He looks like a relatively normally sized bloke, which seems to be quite a disadvantage in the current motogp formula unless your name is valentino rossi.
I wouldn't read much into his performance so far on an unfamiliar track. Taking it steadily is sensible. He certainly looked the goods in the AMA superbike replay I saw the other day.
I'm pretty sure he lists himself at 5'10 but from what I have been told he's closer to 6'.
He probably used to weigh about 75kg, but like Toseland he is noticeably slimmer this year than in the past. I'm guessing he's down around 68-70kg now.
EDIT: I just checked his website for the first time this season. He now lists himself as 5'11 160lbs.
I wouldn't read much into his performance so far on an unfamiliar track. Taking it steadily is sensible. He certainly looked the goods in the AMA superbike replay I saw the other day.
I'm pretty sure he lists himself at 5'10 but from what I have been told he's closer to 6'.
He probably used to weigh about 75kg, but like Toseland he is noticeably slimmer this year than in the past. I'm guessing he's down around 68-70kg now.
EDIT: I just checked his website for the first time this season. He now lists himself as 5'11 160lbs.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jun 21 2008, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How much does spies weigh? He looks like a relatively normally sized bloke, which seems to be quite a disadvantage in the current motogp formula unless your name is valentino rossi.
I wouldn't read much into his performance so far on an unfamiliar track. Taking it steadily is sensible. He certainly looked the goods in the AMA superbike replay I saw the other day.
damm excuses already.
I wouldn't read much into his performance so far on an unfamiliar track. Taking it steadily is sensible. He certainly looked the goods in the AMA superbike replay I saw the other day.
damm excuses already.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jun 20 2008, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>damm excuses already.
pinky u got family signed up here so many idiots lately........... why do you lot only come out when stoner is doing ok??? your not true fans your just a bunch of clowns.
we dont see you any othertime.........
we got you barry and marcoducati who sounds like another ........ you sure your not related?
pinky u got family signed up here so many idiots lately........... why do you lot only come out when stoner is doing ok??? your not true fans your just a bunch of clowns.
we dont see you any othertime.........
we got you barry and marcoducati who sounds like another ........ you sure your not related?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jun 20 2008, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>damm excuses already.
hey why don't you go jack-off and leave the GP stuff to us
Ben Spies
Hometown: Longview, Texas
Height: 5'11" Weight: 160
Turned Pro: 2000
hey why don't you go jack-off and leave the GP stuff to us
Ben Spies
Hometown: Longview, Texas
Height: 5'11" Weight: 160
Turned Pro: 2000
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jun 20 2008, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>pinky u got family signed up here so many idiots lately........... why do you lot on come out when stoner is doing ok??? your not true fans your just a bunch of clowns.
we dont see you any othertime.........
we got you barry and marcoducati you sure your not related?
I don't necessarily disagree, and I also think it might be a good idea for pinky to wait and see how casey goes in the actual race. However, there are stoner fans who have kept posting
.
we dont see you any othertime.........
we got you barry and marcoducati you sure your not related?
I don't necessarily disagree, and I also think it might be a good idea for pinky to wait and see how casey goes in the actual race. However, there are stoner fans who have kept posting
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jun 20 2008, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't necessarily disagree, and I also think it might be a good idea for pinky to wait and see how casey goes in the actual race. However, there are stoner fans who have kept posting
.
yes i have respect for you because u make good posts and here when the going gets tough, unlike those lot only seem to come in to stir the .... pot!!!!
i call them selected fans barry pinky top of the list now we have a 3rd they will be known as the 3 stooges or just stupid idiots, i dont mind eitherway
if the going gets tough stick around for 2 years like we have........
yes i have respect for you because u make good posts and here when the going gets tough, unlike those lot only seem to come in to stir the .... pot!!!!
i call them selected fans barry pinky top of the list now we have a 3rd they will be known as the 3 stooges or just stupid idiots, i dont mind eitherway
if the going gets tough stick around for 2 years like we have........
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jun 20 2008, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yes i have respect for you because u make good posts and here when the going gets tough, unlike those lot only seem to come in to stir the .... pot!!!!
i call them selected fans barry pinky top of the list now we have a 3rd they will be known as the 3 stooges or just stupid idiots, i dont mind eitherway
if the going gets tough stick around for 2 years like we have........
Thanks
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It is encouraging as a stoner fan that he seems to be back right on it; I think he had 10 laps in the 28 second bracket in fp2 to only one by any of the others.
However races are not won in fp1 or fp2 as rossi has demonstrated several times this year and he and jb seem to be taking their time in dialling in the bridgestones at each new track sometimes leaving it till as late as the warm-up. It will also be intriguing to see how hayden progresses with the new engine for the first time.
i call them selected fans barry pinky top of the list now we have a 3rd they will be known as the 3 stooges or just stupid idiots, i dont mind eitherway
if the going gets tough stick around for 2 years like we have........
Thanks
It is encouraging as a stoner fan that he seems to be back right on it; I think he had 10 laps in the 28 second bracket in fp2 to only one by any of the others.
However races are not won in fp1 or fp2 as rossi has demonstrated several times this year and he and jb seem to be taking their time in dialling in the bridgestones at each new track sometimes leaving it till as late as the warm-up. It will also be intriguing to see how hayden progresses with the new engine for the first time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jun 20 2008, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hey guys
Hey curve ! where are you ?......., can you help me handle this photoshop goodies? I must admit you're really good in these...
Hey curve ! where are you ?......., can you help me handle this photoshop goodies? I must admit you're really good in these...
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Whats this about??
Hayden:
"During the afternoon session he also engaged in some light on-track conversation with rival Valentino Rossi, third fastest onboard the Fiat Yamaha M1."
Hayden:
"During the afternoon session he also engaged in some light on-track conversation with rival Valentino Rossi, third fastest onboard the Fiat Yamaha M1."
What happened to Hayden and Rossi on track? MOTOGP and CRASH both reported some sort of confrontation on track. I'm guessing its nothing.
In further reading I guess Rossi may have had a problem with hayden riding him in the last laps. I guess its cool when Capirossi pulls that.
I think that Dani P. is pushing the limits of the bike and we are going to see him crashing more and more because he is trying to keep up with the pneumatic engines. I'm worried about him
Melandri is still out there trying. I find it amusing how he compared himself and pedrosas wins. Pedrosa on a factory and him on a customer. Kind of the same .... that everybody pulls on Hayden. I say Melandri for Pedrosas ride in 09.
Spies beat guinters haha. Keep getting faster. I want to see you swap paint with Toseland.
De Angelils - could this be another good showing.
Dovi - must be that he doesn't have a factory ride.
Stoner - what the hell did they find out back at the Barcelona test. I think that people are thinking that he is on the new GP9. After all it appears that he wanted to stress that Ducati was a small outfit and that there was no way that they could have the bike ready at a reasonable time. He should have said, look at Honda and you think that we could move production of the GP9 up this fast. Well they found something and he said it was in the TC. Mad ehim go half a second quicker.
Rossi - typical
Nakano - must know that Melandri wants his ride.
In further reading I guess Rossi may have had a problem with hayden riding him in the last laps. I guess its cool when Capirossi pulls that.
I think that Dani P. is pushing the limits of the bike and we are going to see him crashing more and more because he is trying to keep up with the pneumatic engines. I'm worried about him
Melandri is still out there trying. I find it amusing how he compared himself and pedrosas wins. Pedrosa on a factory and him on a customer. Kind of the same .... that everybody pulls on Hayden. I say Melandri for Pedrosas ride in 09.
Spies beat guinters haha. Keep getting faster. I want to see you swap paint with Toseland.
De Angelils - could this be another good showing.
Dovi - must be that he doesn't have a factory ride.
Stoner - what the hell did they find out back at the Barcelona test. I think that people are thinking that he is on the new GP9. After all it appears that he wanted to stress that Ducati was a small outfit and that there was no way that they could have the bike ready at a reasonable time. He should have said, look at Honda and you think that we could move production of the GP9 up this fast. Well they found something and he said it was in the TC. Mad ehim go half a second quicker.
Rossi - typical
Nakano - must know that Melandri wants his ride.
