Discussion About MotoGp Riders Riding Style

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love doohan. always have and always will. could i actually get some decent lean angle when riding i'd look just like him.

mylexicon

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I wouldn't say ordinary, but I would say that his style has little to do with his ability to win. His riding style is his sun/moon leathers, and his whacky helmets, and his one-leg wheelies, and stand-up violin celebrations, and his leg dangling, and any other superfluous motion that makes riding a motorcycle look dramatic and cool.


 


The only part of his riding that really mattered when he was winning, imo, was that he could outbrake anyone, anywhere, at anytime. Is that really a style?

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You're right it's not a riding style but one of the traits of his style. Anyway, just wanted to see what your opinion of his style was.  Thank you

mylexicon

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I wouldn't say ordinary, but I would say that his style has little to do with his ability to win. His riding style is his sun/moon leathers, and his whacky helmets, and his one-leg wheelies, and stand-up violin celebrations, and his leg dangling, and any other superfluous motion that makes riding a motorcycle look dramatic and cool.


 


The only part of his riding that really mattered when he was winning, imo, was that he could outbrake anyone, anywhere, at anytime. Is that really a style?

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And with that outbraking, manage to upset other riders by putting his bike where they wanted to be - as he did many times with Stoner. Not so much a style as a strategy, IMO.

BJ.C

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 - as he did many times with Stoner.

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When exactly?

michaelm

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 - as he did many times with Stoner.

When exactly?

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Qatar 07.. Oh wait.. Stoner won huh hah

truent

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Qatar 07.. Oh wait.. Stoner won huh hah

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I don't dispute Rossi being the greatest of the late brakers at all. It is my opinion that the attributes of the Ducati and the Yamaha and Stoner's and Valentino's riding styles were so different that it was mostly more or less a coincidence if they ended up on the same piece of tarmac.

michaelm

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Qatar 07.. Oh wait.. Stoner won huh hah

I don't dispute Rossi being the greatest of the late brakers at all. It is my opinion that the attributes of the Ducati and the Yamaha and Stoner's and Valentino's riding styles were so different that it was mostly more or less a coincidence if they ended up on the same piece of tarmac.

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For sure, just like what was said in the race thread about cal never being able to pass dovi.. Good in opposite spots.. Very hard to pass..

I got into motogp in 05.. ReallyWish I could've seen the Rossi hay day .. Looking back through the lens of highlights just isn't the same as watching the whole

Riding styles are often a product of what is being ridden.  Dani and Marquez will have developed styles different to Lorenzo because they are trying to exploit different attributes of their bike.  Also the era is relevant.  Riders like Mick Doohan rode how they did because the technology at the time needed different things

Tom

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Riding styles are often a product of what is being ridden.  Dani and Marquez will have developed styles different to Lorenzo because they are trying to exploit different attributes of their bike.  Also the era is relevant.  Riders like Mick Doohan rode how they did because the technology at the time needed different things

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Thank you Tom for sharing your opinion, i agree with what you say about riders having the ability to change and adjust their riding style, What I understand from your post is the charecter of the bike is the most important thing and riders adjust their style based on the bikes charecter, well I have another question:

Can we look at the situation from the other side? In other words how much the riders style can have effect on the developement of the bikes charecter? For example has the YamahaM1 changed its charectar after Rossi left the team and Lorenzo was the first rider?

certainly MH, bike has been developed for JLo over the last few years, not to say that another rider jumping on the M1 has to ride the smooth style that Lorenzo has, but certainly changes in setup would probably be required to ride the bike a bit loose e.g stoners style

Tom

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Riding styles are often a product of what is being ridden.  Dani and Marquez will have developed styles different to Lorenzo because they are trying to exploit different attributes of their bike.  Also the era is relevant.  Riders like Mick Doohan rode how they did because the technology at the time needed different things

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I'd love to know what it was that made the Ducati work with Stoner on it. Riders adapt styles, but there seemed a limit to this with the Duc. 


 


Steering the bike from both ends? Garry McCoy is one of my "I wonder" riders for the Ducati as well.


 


I've ridden 500cc 2 stroke roadies and plenty of 500cc 2 smoke mxers, I love on the mxers that rattle and sound that is a ping crossed with a thump the expansion chamber makes whilst on idle. Chills me thrills me etc. 

cliché guevara

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butt off the seat, throw it in hard.


 


love doohan. always have and always will. could i actually get some decent lean angle when riding i'd look just like him.

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Andy Roo

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I'd love to know what it was that made the Ducati work with Stoner on it. Riders adapt styles, but there seemed a limit to this with the Duc. 

 

Steering the bike from both ends? Garry McCoy is one of my "I wonder" riders for the Ducati as well.

 

I've ridden 500cc 2 stroke roadies and plenty of 500cc 2 smoke mxers, I love on the mxers that rattle and sound that is a ping crossed with a thump the expansion chamber makes whilst on idle. Chills me thrills me etc. 

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In an interview about the ducati stoner told the bbc guy (mat roberts) the key to have success with the ducati is the riders ability to adjust its style to the bikes charecter, it seems the ducati is the hardest bike to ride in the paddock and in my opinion the reason of stoners success with it was:


1) stoners ability to to ride around problems is amazing. He doesn't care if the bike has some problems, he can get what he wants from the bike and ride it to its limit.


2) when we talk about Ducati's problem two main thing highlights itself in our mind, first its uncontrolable high power and its understeering problem, if we look at stoners style and some of its main charecteristics, we find his amazingly high throttle control and his loose hanging style.in my opinion the reason stoner was successful with the ducati was the fact that his riding style advantages covered ducati's weak spots. But from the point he started to tame the bike to get uncontrolable his performance with the red team decreased (2009, 2010) and he left the team:


Final word: to ride a hard bike like the ducati Riders need to adapt their styles to it so an attempt to change the bikes charecter in this case has failed these past 3 or 4 years and rossi's performance is the proof of that.

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mh_kingcobra

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Thank you Tom for sharing your opinion, i agree with what you say about riders having the ability to change and adjust their riding style, What I understand from your post is the charecter of the bike is the most important thing and riders adjust their style based on the bikes charecter, well I have another question:

Can we look at the situation from the other side? In other words how much the riders style can have effect on the developement of the bikes charecter? For example has the YamahaM1 changed its charectar after Rossi left the team and Lorenzo was the first rider?

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I think to an extent yes, the riders lead rider for a given manufacture will have an impact on how the bike is developed but I think the difference is relatively subtle.  The philosophy of the design department of any race bike manufacturer will be stronger and more long lasting than most of their riders, because it is a culture bread into new engineers as they climb the ranks internally.  These kinds of things take years to change.  Look at the characteristics that Yamaha and Honda were renowned for in the 500 days and the same can be said of their GP bikes today.

tom are you trying to tell me you need to ride a 125 2 smoke differently than a 990 v5?


so the styles change with the bikes so you can get the max out of them?


that is some amazing insight. i can see why you like spalding so much