Dingo Doovers and the Deconstruction of Casey Stoner

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Australians well know the story of Lindy Chamberlain and the death of her daughter Azaria. In hindsight the story makes total sense, but in the early days after the childs disappearance and presumed death, there was a whirlwind of media speculation about the case. It is rather ironic that this earlier drama ocurred at Uluru , the massive red monolith at the centre of Australia , and exactly the spot where todays Sydney Morning Herald speculates that Casey Stoner is hiding out while on holidays/ recuperative rest. Despite reasonable popularity in Australia , motorcycle racing rarely gets many column inches in our major newspapers. However, today I see a half page article titled "Stoner heads north, career goes south". The gist of the article is that Stoners career may be over. However , all it does is rehash all that we have heard before; namely the critical quotes by Kevin Schwantz, and speculation about the causes of his health issues. I can see it all happening now- overseas journalists will latch onto this article as further proof that the demise of Casey is near, when this article quotes overseas information. Thus we get a self-perpetuating loop of misinformation and speculation, just as we had all those years ago with Linda and Azaria Chamberlain. You see, in that earlier case, all that was found after the disappearance of the baby girl , were the torn and blood stained remnants of her clothing. Lindy claimed a dingo took her,as one was seen around the camp on numerous occasions. Rumours suggested that the mother killed her, as she belonged to an unusual religious group and she didn,t behave as they expected at media gatherings. Add to this the fact that according to some that Azaria was translated to " sacrifice in the wilderness" , and then Lindy MUST have been guilty. This story dominated the news at the time and the circular speculation got totally out of control. In no time at all, almost everybody thought she was guilty. At trial she was convicted and jailed. About 2 trials and many years later she was fully acquitted and exonerated.It was agreed that a dingo had killed her baby. All that rumour was wrong. WRONG.

Which brings us back to Casey. Here is a fellow that doesn,t communicate as well as some others and has a mystery illness with no medical confirmation. Therefore Casey must either weak as piss, a malingerer,or psyched out by the mercurial Rossi , master of motorcycling mind-games. He,s gone away, so he has either lost interest in motorcycling or is psychologically scarred by Rossi, or has had enough of being on the road in Europe. I call all of this total crap.

1) Here is a fellow who has spent most of the last 10 years living out of a caravan, trying to fulfill his dream, and now all of a sudden he is homesick? Bull!
2) Casey has also apparently lost the drive to compete any more. More bull. If any of you know anything about top sportsmen and women , it is that they BURN with a competitive streak. That competitive drive is central to their personality. it doesn,t suddenly go away.
3) Casey is psyched out by Rossi? When Casey won his championship he fought toe to toe with Rossi and was unpeturbed by Rossi,s pressure from behind, when this tactic had worked with Biaggi and Gibernau. Sure Casey seemed to make mistakes under pressure a few races last year, but no more than the number of times Rossi crashed under pressure.
4) He is wimping out and not racing when he should( Kevin Schwantz says so.) With all due respect to Schwantz, he knows ....-all about medicine, so is in no position to comment on something he can,t understand. There is little doubt that Stoner has a form of chronic fatigue. This is a complex and not yet fully understood disease. In most cases there is no laboratory confirmation and thus many people find it hard to believe that the sufferer is telling the truth. However, the condition is very real and can be extremely debilitating. It makes the patient frustrated at the lack of certainty about the severity of symptoms and the time till recovery. Rest is the only solution. Casey tried pushing through for 3 or more rounds without success. What more do you want Kevin?? I have had a form of chronic fatigue that lasted for three 2-4 month periods. I believe others here have also been affected (Keshav?) . Some can be affected for years or even decades. Hopefully Casey will recover by next year, but even that is not certain. If Ducati has been leaking information about Caseys poor support of sponsorship functions or dietary details, they are really not doing anything to help his recovery , even if there is some truth in those stories.

I believe that Casey has as strong a desire as ever to win the world championship again, still has a working relationship with Ducati and is not psyched out by Rossi. Even if chronic fatigue can be induced by pressure, it is not the same as being psyched-out or having a nervous breakdown. It is a physical condition that needs time and rest to resolve. Give the fella a break and hope that he comes back sooner than later.

Just as with Lindy Chamberlain, all the current rumours are chinese whispers gone crazy........in other words a total bunch of dogs bollocks...or Dingos doovers.

(Sorry about the length- hope it makes sense)
 
Well said mate , i agree entirely, also Ducati were not helping him by trying to hire Lorenzo for 3 times what they are paying Casey.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Aug 28 2009, 09:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I believe that Casey has as strong a desire as ever to win the world championship again, still has a working relationship with Ducati and is not psyched out by Rossi. Even if chronic fatigue can be induced by pressure, it is not the same as being psyched-out or having a nervous breakdown. It is a physical condition that needs time and rest to resolve. Give the fella a break and hope that he comes back sooner than later.
Alwrighty then... I actually agree with the above statement, BUT...

If you were playing schoolyard footy, baseball, hockey, cricket, hoops and you were captain - would you be picking Casey number one or two (even three or four) now? Not me.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Aug 28 2009, 04:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Alwrighty then... I actually agree with the above statement, BUT...

If you were playing schoolyard footy, baseball, hockey, cricket, hoops and you were captain - would you be picking Casey number one or two (even three or four) now? Not me.
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When you consider that Casey at his worst was still coming 3rd or 4th and beating Nicky Hayden, then I still think he is worth considering as a first available pick for Ducati or Suzuki, and a good 2nd pick for Honda. Although the future is uncertain, I think he will be competitive next year. What will you say when he wins again?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Aug 28 2009, 04:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Alwrighty then... I actually agree with the above statement, BUT...

If you were playing schoolyard footy, baseball, hockey, cricket, hoops and you were captain - would you be picking Casey number one or two (even three or four) now? Not me.
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lets say its schoolyard football and you need a goalie. now stoner is the only one who is any good at keeping goal. so, what choice do you have exactly then?

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If I was a team boss and I couldn't have Rossi then Stoner would be my next 3 choices followed by Lorenzo.
 
I didnt realise it had made the press about where Casey is so iv kept quiet. But he is 'out bush' away from it all and jus relaxing. From all accounts, even after his first week off he was 100 times better. There is some talk of celiac and the like. BUt either way the guy needed a break. He is a massivley talented rider and will be back in form soon.

Only time will tell if he is back on it this season, but iv a sneaking suspicion that he will be abck on the podium in his first race back.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Aug 28 2009, 02:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When you consider that Casey at his worst was still coming 3rd or 4th and beating Nicky Hayden, then I still think he is worth considering as a first available pick for Ducati or Suzuki, and a good 2nd pick for Honda. Although the future is uncertain, I think he will be competitive next year. What will you say when he wins again?
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racing toe to toe with rossi in 2006. Hogshit - ducati gave him the best electronics and 12 km/ hr on extra top speed - when rossi could catch him in the bends all he did was open the throttle on the straights. Better choices for ducati 2009/ 2010 almost anybody in the top 10. - who will be available for al races without the late summer siesta for whatever reason
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Aug 28 2009, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If I was a team boss and I couldn't have Rossi then Stoner would be my next 3 choices followed by Lorenzo.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ptk50 @ Aug 28 2009, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>racing toe to toe with rossi in 2006. Hogshit - ducati gave him the best electronics and 12 km/ hr on extra top speed - when rossi could catch him in the bends all he did was open the throttle on the straights. Better choices for ducati 2009/ 2010 almost anybody in the top 10. - who will be available for al races without the late summer siesta for whatever reason
care to explain how it was that capirossis' ducati mysteriously had none of the benefits of stoners bike then? very odd considering that loris was the lead rider of the ducati team up until Qatar...
if it was such a superior bike then how was it that only stoner was able to ride the thing at the front all the time?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (is200 @ Aug 28 2009, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I didnt realise it had made the press about where Casey is so iv kept quiet. But he is 'out bush' away from it all and jus relaxing. From all accounts, even after his first week off he was 100 times better. There is some talk of celiac and the like. BUt either way the guy needed a break. He is a massivley talented rider and will be back in form soon.

Only time will tell if he is back on it this season, but iv a sneaking suspicion that he will be abck on the podium in his first race back.

Yup. Stoner will be back!!!

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If any of us here walked into our bosses office and said hey i'm taking off work for a couple months cause i don't feel good, but the Doctors cant find a thing wrong with me...Boss man would laugh and say get your ... back to work.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Aug 28 2009, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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If any of us here walked into our bosses office and said hey i'm taking off work for a couple months cause i don't feel good, but the Doctors cant find a thing wrong with me...Boss man would laugh and say get your ... back to work.

Not if you are the one who makes the company succeed, mate
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Aug 28 2009, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not if you are the one who makes the company succeed, mate
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Yer right J4... they'd mollify you while desperately trying to come up with a "plan B"... sound familiar?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Aug 28 2009, 09:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not if you are the one who makes the company succeed, mate
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please thats BS...Ducati sells bikes without Stoner..did before will after... His succes on the bike should have been even more of a reason not to wussy out... at the least show up to the races and go by a day by day basis...if crazy Jorge with multiple broken bones and Pedro with a f##ked up hip can show up and at least TRY to ride there's no reason why Stoner couldn't have done the same with a ......l yest infection....where would he be in the championship if he would have been around while crazy jorge was chucking it into the gravel? thats all i'm saying
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Aug 28 2009, 09:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not if you are the one who makes the company succeed, mate
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Lmao, So you are implying that ducati's success is because of Stacey Moaner? That is more arrogant than anything I have ever heard a Rossi fan say. Hows that been working out for Terrell Owens? Lets not forget he didn't just take some time off. He acted like a total ...... bag, had a month vacation, and just need some more nappy time. He needed to man up, but he didn't. You all need to get off his jock and face reality.

Have any of you seen the movie Office Space?
"Yeah I just didn't feel like going to work today. I don't think I gonna go anymore."
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Aug 29 2009, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lmao, So you are implying that ducati's success is because of Stacey Moaner?

Are you suggesting its not!!??
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I believe they were even in the red before Stoner won for them
 
Yes, I do mean that without Stoner Ducati would not have won 19 GP in the 800cc era. Far from it. They would have won 2. (Motegi and Phillip Island 2007, to be precise)
And without Capirossi, they would have won 0.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Aug 28 2009, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, I do mean that without Stoner Ducati would not have won 19 GP in the 800cc era. Far from it. They would have won 2. (Motegi and Phillip Island 2007, to be precise)
And without Capirossi, they would have won 0.
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I took your comment as Ducati as a company not Marlboro Ducati the race team. I would agree that he is the success of the race team, but not the company. It would be safe to say that 69 is better for sales than 27.
 

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