Daytona Thread

[JohnnyKnockdown]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Mar 5 2009, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Kris Turner is the only name that I saw. He ran the RBR's in Spain.
Right
I thought I recognized his name but none of the others.

 

[mylexicon]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 5 2009, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hodgson takes a ... at DMG

Q I'll open it up for questions.

HODGSON: I have something to say. Do they not - are they not going to show Superpole? I thought the whole idea of the show of Superpole was to actually televise it, so we can all go "Ooooh" and "Aaaah" when you're watching it.

MODERATOR: You'll see highlights of it on the primetime show that'll premiere on the 21st.

HODGSON: Right. 21st.

MODERATOR: March 21st. There'll definitely be highlights on there.

It is obvious as hell that DMG is trying to snuff out Superbike.The riders know it, the OEM's know it and the fans know it. They never wanted it and even though they are saying it is the Premier class,Daytona Stock Club Racing Sportbike is their baby.

They are trying to snuff it out by moving all of the big name talent into the class?

They wanted 600s because American venues can't handle liter bike performance. They wanted to add wet races to the AMA. You certainly can't do that safely with literbikes; though they will probably try.

It's all about $$$. They know literbikes have more appeal, but they also know 600s are nearly identical and they can be raced more safely. Manufacturers also sell 5 or 10 times more 600s in the U.S. At some point, I'm quite certain they were going to return to bigger bikes, maybe even try bringing the 750s back.

Hodgson is right though, DMG need to televise superpole--practice would be nice too.

 

[povol]

From Superbike Planet

Bostrom saves world from cosmic awefulness of having a Buell sit on pole at the legendary Daytona 200

Pos. Rider Team Bike Time
1 Ben Bostrom Team Graves Yamaha Yamaha YZF-R6 1:50.240
2 Danny Eslick Daytona Racing/RMR Buell Buell 1125R 1:50.352
3 Jason DiSalvo M4 Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R600 1:50.363
4 Jamie Hacking Monster Energy Attack Kawasaki Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R 1:50.466
5 Josh Hayes Team Graves Yamaha Yamaha YZF-R6 1:50.520
6 Martin Cardenas M4 Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R600 1:50.520
7 Josh Herrin Team Graves Yamaha Yamaha YZF-R6 1:51.296
8 Jake Zemke Erion Racing Honda CBR600RR 1:51.327
9 Dane Westby Westby Racing Yamaha YZF-R6 1:51.592
10 Chris Peris Erion Racing Honda CBR600RR 1:52.160


ENDS

The Buell is for real [against 600's] .Some may think its a good thing.I see it a prophecy come true.I predicted 6 months ago when i first saw the rules that DMG would do anything in their power to make this happen.30 more HP,30+ more ft lbs of torque and lowered the weight to the same as the 600's. Danny Eslick is a good rider, but i dont think he would EVER be mistaken for Ben Bostrom.Stick a top notch rider on the Buell and its the favorite.

 

[JohnnyKnockdown]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 5 2009, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>From Superbike Planet

Bostrom saves world from cosmic awefulness of having a Buell sit on pole at the legendary Daytona 200

Pos. Rider Team Bike Time
1 Ben Bostrom Team Graves Yamaha Yamaha YZF-R6 1:50.240
2 Danny Eslick Daytona Racing/RMR Buell Buell 1125R 1:50.352
3 Jason DiSalvo M4 Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R600 1:50.363
4 Jamie Hacking Monster Energy Attack Kawasaki Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R 1:50.466
5 Josh Hayes Team Graves Yamaha Yamaha YZF-R6 1:50.520
6 Martin Cardenas M4 Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R600 1:50.520
7 Josh Herrin Team Graves Yamaha Yamaha YZF-R6 1:51.296
8 Jake Zemke Erion Racing Honda CBR600RR 1:51.327
9 Dane Westby Westby Racing Yamaha YZF-R6 1:51.592
10 Chris Peris Erion Racing Honda CBR600RR 1:52.160


ENDS

The Buell is for real [against 600's] .Some may think its a good thing.I see it a prophecy come true.I predicted 6 months ago when i first saw the rules that DMG would do anything in their power to make this happen.30 more HP,30+ more ft lbs of torque and lowered the weight to the same as the 600's. Danny Eslick is a good rider, but i dont think he would EVER be mistaken for Ben Bostrom.Stick a top notch rider on the Buell and its the favorite.

The Buell will be the fastest bike in the 200, That is the fastest bike to blow up.

 

[povol]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Mar 5 2009, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Buell will be the fastest bike in the 200, That is the fastest bike to blow up.

It will be interesting to see if the water cooled Rotax engine fairs any better than the Buell air cooled grenade. It just seems that DMG has taken the NHRA approach to make sure an American made machine is going to be upfront. They have skewed the rule in that series where its virtually impossible for a Jap bike to compete.They are allowed close to 1000cc over the in line 4's

 

[JohnnyKnockdown]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 6 2009, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It will be interesting to see if the water cooled Rotax engine fairs any better than the Buell air cooled grenade. It just seems that DMG has taken the NHRA approach to make sure an American made machine is going to be upfront. They have skewed the rule in that series where its virtually impossible for a Jap bike to compete.They are allowed close to 1000cc over the in line 4's

I forgot they are running a Rotax now.
SHHHHHH don't tell the Harley dudes. That might really affect attendance.
That extra HP is what's needed to break out of the front pack that just drafts each other for most of the race. If he doesn't come apart than there is a possibility he could check out.
That Aprilia is really far behind. Chaz doesn't even look to be competitive today and Rapp is nowhere to be seen.
Well I'm off to Daytona now. I'm driving up and back today. It's a 4 hour drive so it's going to be a long day but a great one as well.
Cheers

 

[mylexicon]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 6 2009, 06:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It will be interesting to see if the water cooled Rotax engine fairs any better than the Buell air cooled grenade. It just seems that DMG has taken the NHRA approach to make sure an American made machine is going to be upfront. They have skewed the rule in that series where its virtually impossible for a Jap bike to compete.They are allowed close to 1000cc over the in line 4's

I'm not pleased by how the rules have affected the competitive landscape for this season. However, I hope the Japanese manufacturers start producing a wider range of motorcycles to compete with.

Bringing back the RC51 would be a great start.

If Buell wins this race, DMG are going to be seriously compromised.

BTW, is anyone surprised by sportbike. Hayes and Zemke are both struggling to reach the pointy end.

Consider how well Hayes performed on inferior machinery at Portimao last year, it makes you wonder how many of these guys are world class material.

The new rules are not producing the competitive environment I envisioned, but I still like the equipment parity.

 

[Mr. Shupe]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 6 2009, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not pleased by how the rules have affected the competitive landscape for this season. However, I hope the Japanese manufacturers start producing a wider range of motorcycles to compete with.

Bringing back the RC51 would be a great start.

If Buell wins this race, DMG are going to be seriously compromised.

BTW, is anyone surprised by sportbike. Hayes and Zemke are both struggling to reach the pointy end.

Consider how well Hayes performed on inferior machinery at Portimao last year, it makes you wonder how many of these guys are world class material.

The new rules are not producing the competitive environment I envisioned, but I still like the equipment parity.

I've warmed up to the Daytona sportbike concept too, aside from the name. Just don't legislate a Buell title, and please don't manipulate racing with cautions.

 

[Noodlerizer]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Mar 5 2009, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Kris Turner is the only name that I saw. He ran the RBR's in Spain.
Kris Turner, Huntley nash, Joey Pascarella were all red bull rookie cup riders and I think there was one more. Josh Day did some european superstock last year and matt sadwoski was racing in new zealand last year. Anyways that is what I am up against the rounds I am doing, but my goal is just to go out there and qualify and then think about other stuff after that.

 

[povol]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 6 2009, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not pleased by how the rules have affected the competitive landscape for this season. However, I hope the Japanese manufacturers start producing a wider range of motorcycles to compete with.

Bringing back the RC51 would be a great start.

If Buell wins this race, DMG are going to be seriously compromised.

BTW, is anyone surprised by sportbike. Hayes and Zemke are both struggling to reach the pointy end.

Consider how well Hayes performed on inferior machinery at Portimao last year, it makes you wonder how many of these guys are world class material.

The new rules are not producing the competitive environment I envisioned, but I still like the equipment parity.
Well you know,the RC51 was a response by Honda when they felt the World Superbike rules had swung heavily in Ducati's favor. Cant beat em,join em.Viola,a 1000cc Vtwin that kicked Ducati's ....Now the Duc's have 1200cc,How about a new RC with 1200cc Vtwin.I would buy one tomorrow.

 

[mylexicon]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 6 2009, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well you know,the RC51 was a response by Honda when they felt the World Superbike rules had swung heavily in Ducati's favor. Cant beat em,join em.Viola,a 1000cc Vtwin that kicked Ducati's ....Now the Duc's have 1200cc,How about a new RC with 1200cc Vtwin.I would buy one tomorrow.

Yeah, I was thinking about a 1200cc RC51, but I don't think Honda want to put the CBR1000RR out to pasture. I think the RC51 would generate more sales if it returned to win more AMA titles. Americans already love that bike because Nicky and Colin tore up the competition, plus it probably has a higher profit margin than the CBR1000RR.

I will admit though, it would be awesome to see 1 manufacturer fielding 2 different bikes in WSBK.

BTW, where is Ducati in sportbike? I thought they were going to run an 848. No privateers wanted to take a stab at it?

 

[Loose Rod]

What a mongolian fuster cluck, brought to you by ama/nascar. I'm very pleased that BB won it but how much damage are the "safety cars" gonna do this year?

 

[jarmstrong1029]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Loose Rod @ Mar 7 2009, 03:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What a mongolian fuster cluck, brought to you by ama/nascar. I'm very pleased that BB won it but how much damage are the "safety cars" gonna do this year?
the last hour of that race was an absolute joke when it comes to cautions, lighting, pace cars... I mean WTF!!! it was like amature hour out there. with a couple or short bursts of lead changes due to drafting. all in all pathetic in my opinion.

 

[povol]

Our worst nightmare come true.It was Nascar,pure and simple.We had a gathering at a local Yamaha shop and watched on a 10' screen and everyone there was like WTF. They obviously didnt keep up with the DMG Nascarization of bike racing.Rolling starts, caution flags to tighten up the field,letting the Buell have a huge performance advantage. It didnt blow and had it not shook the plastic off it would have probably won.The Yamahas could draft with it but the Buell could pull out and pass without worrying about building up a head of steam and then slingshotting by. I dont know how well they will do on the tight tracks but tonight they were way faster and did make the finish

 

[Mr. Shupe]

I was pleased when riders were falling and no yellows were thrown. But then Hayes started to pull away and looked to be taking control of the race when, "OOPS, the lights went out! We hate to do this, but we better bring out the pace car while we fix the lights. Too bad Josh lost his lead, I guess they'll have to race closer now."

Another thing that bugged me was how the announcers kept talking about Harley's history, conveniently glossing over the fact that the 1125 IS NOT A HARLEY! If I were Rotax, I would be pissed.

Lex, there was an 848, but it wasn't too quick. I think it started last.

 

[jeff in ohio]

Daytona Sportbike rules that Buell gets a pass on....

1. Minimum weight for twins 385 lbs. Folks on Buell forums report that the 1125R is now allowed to weigh a min of 365 pounds - same as the four cylinders
2. Section 3.5 of current AMA rules....Wheels to remain original equipment. AMA Competetor Bulletin #2009-3 (Feb 12, 2009) Buell gets to use Buell Race Parts - magnesium wheels. Not an original equipment part, but a race part from their 'catalog'. No concessions made for other makes other than Aprilia, which gets forged aluminum wheels for the RSV1000 factory. Japanese bikes to run factory stock (errr aluminum) wheels
3. Section 3.6 of AMA rules. Original forks to be retained. Internals can be replaced. AMA Competetor Bulletin #2009-3 Buell gets to use Showa forks which have a 'future production' part number. Future as in, are not available on the current model.
4. Section 3.11 of AMA rules. Airbox and all components to remain as originally produced on the homologated motorcycle. Buell gets a pass here and gets to use the airbox from their race parts 'catalog'. Aprilia gets to run modified ram air tubes.

Engine modifications across all models is essentially none with the exception of exhaust and fuel injection control systems. Simple exhaust changes on the 1125R are reportandly good for around 130hp on Buell forums. Anonymous posters on said forums (errr, factory employess) point to much higher gains with the new $1,899 doller Buell race exhaust and ECU flash. over 140 is possible. Fuel injection and exhaust systems on a typical inline 600 will give MAYBE the same HP levels, but nowhere near the same torque.

so......

weighs the same, same if not more HP, more torque, lighter wheels (better handling), non-current forks, and non-stock intakes (allowing more hp).....why would a Buell NOT be expected to win, except where rider talent level is involved?

 

[Jumkie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Mar 6 2009, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>please don't manipulate racing with cautions.

It doesn't look like they are listening to you. That fantom light going out and causing the safety car to come out in the final stages of the race reminded me of your warning. And to add insult to injury, they did it for "safety" reasons, but the red flag ended up causing a few crashes, haha, brilliant.


Ok, as too my comments of the race. For a 200, I enjoyed it. Ok, I'm done for now, no time to talk about other stuff, need to sleep.

 

[Jumkie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jeff in ohio @ Mar 7 2009, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Daytona Sportbike rules that Buell gets a pass on....
Hi Jeff, did you get all that info from the rule book to create your post or was it from a news article?

BTW, welcome to the forum.

 

[povol]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jeff in ohio @ Mar 7 2009, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Daytona Sportbike rules that Buell gets a pass on....

1. Minimum weight for twins 385 lbs. Folks on Buell forums report that the 1125R is now allowed to weigh a min of 365 pounds - same as the four cylinders
2. Section 3.5 of current AMA rules....Wheels to remain original equipment. AMA Competetor Bulletin #2009-3 (Feb 12, 2009) Buell gets to use Buell Race Parts - magnesium wheels. Not an original equipment part, but a race part from their 'catalog'. No concessions made for other makes other than Aprilia, which gets forged aluminum wheels for the RSV1000 factory. Japanese bikes to run factory stock (errr aluminum) wheels
3. Section 3.6 of AMA rules. Original forks to be retained. Internals can be replaced. AMA Competetor Bulletin #2009-3 Buell gets to use Showa forks which have a 'future production' part number. Future as in, are not available on the current model.
4. Section 3.11 of AMA rules. Airbox and all components to remain as originally produced on the homologated motorcycle. Buell gets a pass here and gets to use the airbox from their race parts 'catalog'. Aprilia gets to run modified ram air tubes.

Engine modifications across all models is essentially none with the exception of exhaust and fuel injection control systems. Simple exhaust changes on the 1125R are reportandly good for around 130hp on Buell forums. Anonymous posters on said forums (errr, factory employess) point to much higher gains with the new $1,899 doller Buell race exhaust and ECU flash. over 140 is possible. Fuel injection and exhaust systems on a typical inline 600 will give MAYBE the same HP levels, but nowhere near the same torque.

so......

weighs the same, same if not more HP, more torque, lighter wheels (better handling), non-current forks, and non-stock intakes (allowing more hp).....why would a Buell NOT be expected to win, except where rider talent level is involved?

 

[povol]

Under current rules package the 600's are turning around 125 hp.The Buell with its concessions is up around 150 and it has 30 more ft lbs of torque. Since December testing, the Buells picked up 3 seconds per lap and 10 mph top end with all the concessions from DMG. Its the master plan,once the Buell becomes the bike of choice,more and more top riders will chosse to ride them and the Japanese OEM's will quit out of frustration.Like i said before,look at the NHRA for the formula on how to pull the beer swilling Harley crowd to the track.Make the rules to where you have to ride Harley or Buell to win and they will come.