CRY me a river

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 24 2008, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>LINK

Interview with Corriere dello Sport, Rossi dismissed Stoner's comments about the unfairness of certain moves.




Maybe in motogp he has had those 4 second gaps but everywhere else he has races he has fought for the position in front. Just look at the old 125 and 250 races he raced in where it is rare to get out that far in the first place. So Vale is the man regardless and I think when Stoner cools down he will say he is sorry to Rossi for going a bit off the deep end and say good race. Then Stoner will stick it to him the same cause I really think he feels that he is able to do what he needs to do now without question and hesitation. You go Stoner and bring home that 2nd title.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 25 2008, 01:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How short are the Rossifan's memories

Have a look at Stoners comments after Catalunta 07 ........ then try and take it in ..... perhaps chant it for a few moments each ight and the memory might come back.

Don't you guys get it .... Stoner is not the type to sit back and say "yes sir, no sir, I worship the ground you walk on sir!" ......

The whole Rossi is god stuff that gets spouted here is pretty wacko .... but if you want to see real sadness check out some of the Rossi forums .......

Not sure what point your trying to make quoting me and referring Stoners comments in '07

I have gone and dug up part of his comments.. Whats your point?

"The whole team did a great job this weekend and proved wrong people who said we can't win on European tracks. There were some nice passing maneuvers going on everywhere. All three of us had our strong points and our weak points around the circuit, I was just trying to minimize my weak points and cover my lines, and it worked out. It was such a close race, no one could go away, it was very, very enjoyable to be racing that close. It was really good because our bike was set up quite well for the braking points, so for Valentino to pass us he usually had to run wide and we were able to pass him back immediately a lot of times."

I think had he won on Sunday his comments would have been more in line with that comment, that was my point in my last post.



"Stoner is not the type to sit back and say "yes sir, no sir, I worship the ground you walk on sir!" ......

This part Barry your right, that is some thing I have admired about Stoner, but if you read again I was saying he should have been more of a man and said what he had to say to Rossi himself, not turn his back on the guy and start bitching. He has done himself no favours by making those comments and acting the way he did. All he has done is make people detest him even more. And he wonders why people boo him

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 25 2008, 07:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thanks for the link curve

I got to say I'm starting to lose some respect for Stoner, If he wants the title again this year hes got to expect one hell of a battle from Rossi

Can you imagine if that was Barry Sheene that put out his hand to Stoner and Stoner blew him off, Barry would have punched him senseless around Parc Ferme

........

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 25 2008, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not sure what point your trying to make quoting me and referring Stoners comments in '07

I have gone and dug up part of his comments.. Whats your point?

"The whole team did a great job this weekend and proved wrong people who said we can't win on European tracks. There were some nice passing maneuvers going on everywhere. All three of us had our strong points and our weak points around the circuit, I was just trying to minimize my weak points and cover my lines, and it worked out. It was such a close race, no one could go away, it was very, very enjoyable to be racing that close. It was really good because our bike was set up quite well for the braking points, so for Valentino to pass us he usually had to run wide and we were able to pass him back immediately a lot of times."

I think had he won on Sunday his comments would have been more in line with that comment, that was my point in my last post.



"Stoner is not the type to sit back and say "yes sir, no sir, I worship the ground you walk on sir!" ......

This part Barry your right, that is some thing I have admired about Stoner, but if you read again I was saying he should have been more of a man and said what he had to say to Rossi himself, not turn his back on the guy and start bitching. He has done himself no favours by making those comments and acting the way he did. All he has done is make people detest him even more. And he wonders why people boo him


Well stop asking for a PC Stoner ..... you are labouring under the sad recent history of fairy tales .... its a world that Rossi loves cos he can manipulate the "off the track stuff" the way that makes him feel happy ...... But I think sadly, for the Rossifans, Stoner is a bit different than worrying about whether he has fulffed the petticoats of another rider with his naughty words ... I'm glad to see it at last ........ I'd also like to see Pedrosa giving some stick too .... that guy has the reaigns on him so bad ..... the fans already hate him so he tries to be nice .... I think he would come of age as a rider to just say ( and believe ) ".... you ..... world fans!" and just race.

The riders these days are just too "tea party" ...... and most of it ..... is part of how Rossi has gotten his way with them ...... ( and don't tell me it doesn't happen .... I believe even a pommy bloke wrote about such thigs as manipulative deception ...... when portraying the story of anothe well known Itallian ..... Et Tu Vale! )


Edit: I was just thinking ....... imagine we send all the riders to a 1 week therapy session whereby they are to work on seriously hating Rossi ( no matter how much he wants to be your best buddy ) and then next week we get them all together to race! ..... wonder how many of them would suddenly find new energy

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 25 2008, 01:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>........


Man will you take off your Stoner love boy glasses just for one minute,

What part is ........?

If its the Barry Sheene joke... That just makes you sad

If its the expecting Rossi to battle like hell... There is no ........ there my friend

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 25 2008, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Man will you take off your Stoner love boy glasses just for one minute,

What part is ........?

If its the Barry Sheene joke... That just makes you sad

If its the expecting Rossi to battle like hell... There is no ........ there my friend


Oh I note with surprize! ..... by golly you are a Rossifan! ..... I could never have guessed that!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 25 2008, 01:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well stop asking for a PC Stoner ..... you are labouring under the sad recent history of fairy tales .... its a world that Rossi loves cos he can manipulate the "off the track stuff" the way that makes him feel happy ...... But I think sadly, for the Rossifans, Stoner is a bit different than worrying about whether he has fulffed the petticoats of another rider with his naughty words ... I'm glad to see it at last ........ I'd also like to see Pedrosa giving some stick too .... that guy has the reaigns on him so bad ..... the fans already hate him so he tries to be nice .... I think he would come of age as a rider to just say ( and believe ) ".... you ..... world fans!" and just race.

The riders these days are just too "tea party" ...... and most of it ..... is part of how Rossi has gotten his way with them ......


I'm not asking for a P.C. Stoner

How many times do I have to type it.
He should have just acted like a man and said what he had to say to Rossi himself. As a Stoner fan I didn't like what he said, not because he might have Rossi's feelings. I dont give a .... about Rossi (or the others) as soon as he jumps off his bike and I say that as a fan of Rossi also. I care for racing and good hard battles, unlike you and your idiotic idea to turn Motogp into a time trial event.
I didn't like it because of how he would be percived and that it has given his haters more ammo


Yes I'm a Rossi fan, so what!! I'm also a fan of Stoners whooptie doo. What bloody difference dose it make

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 25 2008, 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not asking for a P.C. Stoner

How many times do I have to type it.
He should have just acted like a man and said what he had to say to Rossi himself. As a Stoner fan I didn't like what he said, not because he might have Rossi's feelings. I dont give a .... about Rossi (or the others) as soon as he jumps off his bike and I say that as a fan of Rossi also. I care for racing and good hard battles, unlike you and your idiotic idea to turn Motogp into a time trial event.
I didn't like it because of how he would be percived and that it has given his haters more ammo

So how should have been hush hush to the media about something he felt was dangerous ........ you have a funny idea of what you feel is a man ...... I guess a Ram would follow your advice

In reality Rossi could have been the last person he said anything to, I strongly doubt Rossi would take it on board anyway ..... just as I would suspect Stoner would not either.

The media guy asked ..... Stoner said what was on his mind ....... perhaps you are suggesting Stoner should have said something along the lines of ..... "no no Vale was riding with supreme skilss today and overtook me on the corkscrew in the most controlled fashion I have ever seen" ..... but no Stoner had a beef with it ...... so he said something about it ...... its pretty common practice when you disagree with something ....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 25 2008, 03:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So how should have been hush hush to the media about something he felt was dangerous ........ you have a funny idea of what you feel is a man ...... I guess a Ram would follow your advice

In reality Rossi could have been the last person he said anything to, I strongly doubt Rossi would take it on board anyway ..... just as I would suspect Stoner would not either.

The media guy asked ..... Stoner said what was on his mind ....... perhaps you are suggesting Stoner should have said something along the lines of ..... "no no Vale was riding with supreme skilss today and overtook me on the corkscrew in the most controlled fashion I have ever seen" ..... but no Stoner had a beef with it ...... so he said something about it ...... its pretty common practice when you disagree with something ....

Barry I know your quiet slow and all that but I'm not going to reexplain myself again, make what you want of it and go back to tutti fruity land

He is Deluded.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 24 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Barry I know your quiet slow and all that but I'm not going to reexplain myself again, make what you want of it and go back to tutti fruity land

he's so full of .... he's become ........

dude, the ignore button rocks

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 24 2008, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well stop asking for a PC Stoner ..... you are labouring under the sad recent history of fairy tales .... its a world that Rossi loves cos he can manipulate the "off the track stuff" the way that makes him feel happy ...... But I think sadly, for the Rossifans, Stoner is a bit different than worrying about whether he has fulffed the petticoats of another rider with his naughty words ... I'm glad to see it at last ........ I'd also like to see Pedrosa giving some stick too .... that guy has the reaigns on him so bad ..... the fans already hate him so he tries to be nice .... I think he would come of age as a rider to just say ( and believe ) ".... you ..... world fans!" and just race.

The riders these days are just too "tea party" ...... and most of it ..... is part of how Rossi has gotten his way with them ...... ( and don't tell me it doesn't happen .... I believe even a pommy bloke wrote about such thigs as manipulative deception ...... when portraying the story of anothe well known Itallian ..... Et Tu Vale! )


Edit: I was just thinking ....... imagine we send all the riders to a 1 week therapy session whereby they are to work on seriously hating Rossi ( no matter how much he wants to be your best buddy ) and then next week we get them all together to race! ..... wonder how many of them would suddenly find new energy


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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 24 2008, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd also like to see Pedrosa giving some stick too .... that guy has the reaigns on him so bad ..... the fans already hate him so he tries to be nice .... I think he would come of age as a rider to just say ( and believe ) ".... you ..... world fans!" and just race.
I would love Pedrosa if he ever said ".... you" to anyone in public, much less the general public.

And I would just like to say something. Yeah, Barry has his biases, but everyone that calls him out has just as equal of a bias for Rossi. I may not speak for everyone here, but as someone who appreciates both Rossi and Stoner, I feel like everything that is said towards Barry regarding his bias for Stoner, can also be applied to those calling him out and their bias for Rossi. Like I said, I don't speak for everyone on this forum, but I'm fairly certain that's the general conception as no one else seems to think Barry is as nutters as some of you Rossi fans say he is.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 21 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's really a shame, these people make rooting for Rossi impossible. I have always been a big admirer of Rossi, as a talent and personality. There simply isn't anyone more exciting to watch at a racetrack or listen to off it. But at every race I always root against him because I can't stand to listen to you dipshits spout off about how great he is and how second class all the others are. So .... off.

good post man. especially the bit about "but at every race i always root against him..."

it's the same for me. it's a shame really. i DO like rossi. just tired of him getting away with everything because he comes off as this super charismatic, likeable guy. and everyone just follows along like mindless pedrobots.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jun 6 2008, 03:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"Last year everything was in place… this time we still have a few things to work on, so our expectations aren't quite the same" - Casey Stoner.

LINK


Yeah motherhumper...everything WAS in place when you had the fastest machine on the grid last year...sure does suck having to ride to the limit now cause the Japs have closed on the Ducs speed...

I know not ALL Aussies are cry baby ...... ....... like this right?

yes that is true mr 'xx CURVE xx' but what is happening now 'mate'??? who is up there and with it, our champ hes never eva going to give up its like 'mortein' tv add (well u have to be aussie to understand this joke' and mr 'xx CURVE xx' vale will be definitely singing this song at the end of 2008 like he did in 2006, 'hate that work casey stoner bbbrrrlllwww' heheheee

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 21 2008, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It is so funny how you haters slag on Stoner for saying what is wrong or what needs to be done in order to win. If he has a bit of confidence you percieve it as arrogance. ...... rossi cried like a ..... last year about the tires and this and that. Threatened to leave yamaha cause of their .... bike. And their bike still is .... noone else is really kickin ... on the thing. Hmmm alot like the ducati scenario at present. Plus Yamaha has better riders on their customer squads. YOu have to admit that Stoner is a killer rider and isn't afraid of Valentino. Ducati makes a ...... awesome bike and all the other companies are shittin their pants to try and catch up. In racing you have obvious babies like Pedrosa and... well pedrosa. Most everyone has confidence and likes to display it so what. Stoner has confidence and doesn't keep it hidden he let's you know what he is there for and that is to win. So sue him for being confident.
go tell it to ya mom rock, im sure she will listen to ya.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Jun 5 2008, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Woah, woah Rossi fans. Vale was complaining way more last season than Stoner has so far this season. You can expect it from all riders as riders need to express when they are happy or unhappy with certain components.


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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 25 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And I would just like to say something. Yeah, Barry has his biases, but everyone that calls him out has just as equal of a bias for Rossi. I may not speak for everyone here, but as someone who appreciates both Rossi and Stoner, I feel like everything that is said towards Barry regarding his bias for Stoner, can also be applied to those calling him out and their bias for Rossi. Like I said, I don't speak for everyone on this forum, but I'm fairly certain that's the general conception as no one else seems to think Barry is as nutters as some of you Rossi fans say he is.
It is undoubtedly true that stoner would be criticised by some whatever he did or said; if he made a pilgrimage on his knees dressed in sackloth and ashes and petitioned for vale to be proclaimed a living saint he would be criticised for not having proposed that he be made an archangel .

I was going to say that every one who has dared to compete at all successfully with valentino (whom I too admire) has been demonised but I guess that casey, like biaggi and gibernau before him has enough rough edges for criticism to stick, whereas nicky hayden is so decent he could not be successfully demonised.

I am undecided whether stoner was whinging after laguna or being crazy like a fox; it would seem unlikely that valentino or anyone else will be able to complain if casey makes hard passes in future races this season. It also seems unlikely to me that fairing bashing once accepted as legitimate for both parties would worry him as opposed to all other aspects of bike riding where he appears to be brave to the point of being foolhardy on a bike which most find intimidating.

Hey Curve do you think if Stoner doesn't win the tittle this year and is .... enough to not even come second in the championship, like Rossi last year, that he'll be an even bigger whiney ..... and demand that his team switches tires next year.

Nice thread btw. How bout a new one?