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I for one hated F1 when it had the mandatory fuel pitstops - it made it a stragey thing rather than a pure race. I'm not sure I like the current rules wrt kers & drs, and I dislike the Pirelli tyres & associated pitstop rules trying to make a spectacle - it may improve the sense of involvement for the team wrt strategy, but it aint racing.
I appreciate that we have moved on from tyres that naturally degrade within a race, much as MotoGP has, but I find the F1 rules about having to run two different tyre types somewhat .........
I hope we never see tyre changes during a dry race in bike racing and would like a return to the type of tyre that couldn't make a full race distance before degrading. Technology wise, I admit that it's a backwards step, but so are the artificial tyre compounds in F1.
WSBK has horsepower controls. When the Aprilia RSV took to the MotoGP track it gained about 20-25hp and ~1200rpm b/c the WSBK rules were gone. Higher rpm requires cam work. Cam work and higher rpm requires reliability testing. This new EVO engine is probably just a WSBK-spec engine with new top end upgrades for power and reliability.
When a MotoGP bike is slowed down with 21L (and longer race distance), and a WSBK ditches the WSBK rules for testing, the SBK can post superior numbers in some categories. The GPC knew about the real performance of some SBKs, hence they created a CRT formula to ditch the satellite bikes.
However, as Povol has pointed out, we don't know the exact configuration Laverty is running.
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I take these " reported" performance numbers with a grain of salt, and the comparison is typical journo hype. They took a test bike with low fuel on a track configuration that uses a longer straight, and compared it to a race lap on a track configurartion with a shorter straight. On top of that, i would bet the farm that the figure of 210 was some statisticians algorithm wet dream. They never seem to reach these reported speeds when the official clocks are running. The 800 GP hit right at 200mph in
qualifying on a shorter straight. Still, the Ape is impressive, just not that impressive.
I think the claims are legit, but the article doesn't give any indication as to how long the engine will last. The engine is useless if Aprilia start from the pit lane for the last 9 rounds.
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Updated: WSBK and MotoGP use two different configurations at Aragon. WSBK does not use the "chicken sht chicane" as Eddie Lawson used to call them.)
The new "EVO" engine that Aprilia's World Superbike team is testing at Aragon reportedly produced an eye-popping top speed of 210 mph at the hands of Eugene Laverty, which is nearly 5 mph faster than the top trap numbers produced in MotoGP competition at the track.
Hiroshi Aoyama reached 195.3 mph on a satellite Honda during the 2011 Grand Prix of Aragon, the top MotoGP speed ever recorded at the track.
If that raw power trickles up to MotoGP, then Aprilia's thinly disguised factory effort with Claiming Rule Teams outfits shouldn't lag far behind prototypes on the straightaways.
Im no mathematician , but those figures dont add up. Maybe the numbers got turned around and it was 200.100. instead of 210. That would make the Aprilia 15 mph faster, not " nearly 5 mph " faster
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Here's a pic showing the problems with the Suter BMW:http://bit.ly/GQrukf See where the engine mounts are: High!
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One aspect aside from all the technical stuff: My personal bet is that at least two of the CRT entries will be out of competition before the summer break, due to lack of funding and/or success. How's your take on that?
PBM to me looks to be the most likely to drop out first.
PBM to me looks to be the most likely to drop out first.
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Are they allowed to come and go as they please.The factories sign commitment contracts.
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Well, yes. But I what I was referring to was the solidity of the CRT entries' finacial foundations, or rather lack thereof, and the resulting prospects of survival in an environment that's far from cheap.
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Not sure. PBM have always been very very confident of their financial ability to compete at this level. Certainly, they made noises that competing in WSBK was not an issue for them in terms of funding. I could well be wrong though
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I figure this story belongs in this thread...
Attack Performance approved for wild card entires in both US rounds, with rider Steve Rapp
http://roadracingwor.../?article=47774
Attack Performance approved for wild card entires in both US rounds, with rider Steve Rapp
http://roadracingwor.../?article=47774
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Do you think they will build a prototype chassis, buy a prototype chassis, or just go with ASB set up
After the first session, the visuals make it clear that the CRTs cannot turn properly. I wonder how fast the teams will be able to get the chassis sorted. Moto2 teams developed rapidly, but the Bridgestones are not as forgiving as the Dunlops.
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After looking at the speed charts, im calling ........ on the 210 mph Aprilia WSBK speed at Aragon. The straight at Qatar is faster than Aragon and Depuniet hit 195 today,and that was almost certainly in a draft.
